Bill Cosby Charged with felony sexual assault!

[marv2]

It doesnt matter if the women showed up in his dressing room or hhome buck naked it still doesnt give Cosby permission to drug and rape IMO.

His life is wrecked and hes brought it all on himself. May God forgive him and may he ask God to forgive him.

Roberta

May be they gave him permission. You ever thought about that?!

[detmotownguy]

May be they gave him permission. You ever thought about that?!

Prob not Marv, for some, the art of thinking is a lost art.

[marv2]

Prob not Marv, for some, the art of thinking is a lost art.

Believe me, I am starting to see that!!!

[Roberta75]

Prob not Marv, for some, the art of thinking is a lost art.

Maybe you should work on your art of thinking dear.

[ralpht]

If you want my take on this, I have been on the side where there were women that wanted to be with me simply because I was in a hot band. I learned this early on, that women will throw themselves at musicians or entertainers, in general. This most certainly isn't suggesting that privileges weren't taken, but everyone, at that time, was an adult and had to know what could go down. So for all these years since, to see this many accusers come out of nowhere, claiming how their lives were ruined, makes me somewhat uncomfortable and has me in Cos's corner at this time.

Again, this is my opinion.

[juicefree20]

If you want my take on this, I have been on the side where there were women that wanted to be with me simply because I was in a hot band. I learned this early on, that women will throw themselves at musicians or entertainers, in general. This most certainly isn't suggesting that privileges weren't taken, but everyone, at that time, was an adult and had to know what could go down. So for all these years since, to see this many accusers come out of nowhere, claiming how their lives were ruined, makes me somewhat uncomfortable and has me in Cos's corner at this time.

Again, this is my opinion.

Hi Ralph,

Hey, the conversation is cool & I wasn't angry when I wrote what I wrote. I wrote what I wrote because it appears as though many people believe that a person is guilty of something just because the accusation was made.

Now in the situation that I cited, a lie was told simply because I said something that wasn't liked. I wasn't lying, but what I had to say wasn't appreciated because it was pointing out a few, shall we say...discrepancies.

From there, a crazy tale was concocted & others joined right in with swearing to & repeating a lie. I just illustrated how easy it is for a person to lie & have others swear to it.

My primary point is that if this kind of nonsense can happen in a music forum, exactly how much more incentive do people have to lie about someone who likely took advantage of them & millions of dollars can be at stake?

If people can try to ruin you me & others over some stupid forum dispute, what WON'T some people do when they feel as though someone played them for a fool, especially they may reap some money from going after that person?

I could've named other people whom have done that here, but as they're not participating in this conversation, that would only be looking for trouble. But I believe that my point has been made, in that human nature is human nature & it's all too easy to get people to jump on a bandwagon when there's a common enemy involved.

Having made my point, I'll exit this conversation & there's no need for anyone to further confirm what I said. I was just making a point from personal experience. Nothing more than that, so there's no need for anyone aside from whom I mentioned by name to address what I said.

It was what it was & having made my point, I'm content to leave it at that.

But again, unless we were there, we don't know what did or did not happen & unlike some, I'm not swearing on a stack of Bibles that I "KNOW" that he's 100% innocent because I DON'T know that for a fact.

But just as with many other cases which were proven false, he's been tried & convicted, not based upon sworn testimony, but based upon accusations, all before he's had his day in court.

And that is called PREJUDICE & I'm not ready to ruin a man's life until I hear ALL of the evidence presented from BOTH sides. Thus far, all that I can deduce is that he was a serial cheater & I can't really say that, as I believe that as with most famous people, he & his spouse had an "understanding".

And just as you, from the age of 17 to 24, I had women throwing themselves at me, just so they could be seen with the DJ, in the booth, waving at their friends as though it made them a big deal.

Now if I had women throwing themselves at me because they & their friends believed that the DJ was "somebody", then how many of these women WILLINGLY hooked-up with Cosby, believing that he could help to advance their careers, or merely because they believed that they'd become a real item?

I was a nobody, so just imagine what people will do when they have visions of fame & fortune dancing in their heads. On the other hand, imagine what they'll do when they believe that you've cheated them out of it & because you reneged, they never gained the fame that they believed that they'd receive?

Seriously, this is being accepted without question by people who grew up in the 60s & 70s & whom are "wise" in the ways of the entertainment business?

I find that equally unbelievable, as one of the biggest mantras of those days was "No head, no backstage" pass. Yet through some miracle, Cosby managed to find the only 50 something women who'd never heard of the casting couch, or knew the the field of entertainment leans toward the side of "You do something for me & I'll do something for you".

Nope, they were all fresh off of the farm like poor 'ol Rebecca of Sunnybrook. But seeing what I've seen & knowing what I know, I'm just not buying that load of bull, if only because it's totally inconsistent with everything that the entertainment business has proven to be about & inconsistent with most of the young upstarts whom I knew trying to break in as a model, singer or actress here in NYC from the 60s through the 70s & the 80s were even worse.

And a few police or hospital reports would go a long way in helping me to believe them because the people in my family or friends filled out at least a police report & got themselves checked for syphilis. That none of these women have been reported as having even done that little, makes it hard for me to believe what they're saying.

[Roberta75]

Hi Ralph,

Hey, the conversation is cool & I wasn't angry when I wrote what I wrote. I wrote what I wrote because it appears as though many people believe that a person is guilty of something just because the accusation was made.

Now in the situation that I cited, a lie was told simply because I said something that wasn't liked. I wasn't lying, but what I had to say wasn't appreciated because it was pointing out a few, shall we say...discrepancies.

From there, a crazy tale was concocted & others joined right in with swearing to & repeating a lie. I just illustrated how easy it is for a person to lie & have others swear to it.

My primary point is that if this kind of nonsense can happen in a music forum, exactly how much more incentive do people have to lie about someone who likely took advantage of them & millions of dollars can be at stake?

If people can try to ruin you me & others over some stupid forum dispute, what WON'T some people do when they feel as though someone played them for a fool, especially they may reap some money from going after that person?

I could've named other people whom have done that here, but as they're not participating in this conversation, that would only be looking for trouble. But I believe that my point has been made, in that human nature is human nature & it's all too easy to get people to jump on a bandwagon when there's a common enemy involved.

Having made my point, I'll exit this conversation & there's no need for anyone to further confirm what I said. I was just making a point from personal experience. Nothing more than that, so there's no need for anyone aside from whom I mentioned by name to address what I said.

It was what it was & having made my point, I'm content to leave it at that.

But again, unless we were there, we don't know what did or did not happen & unlike some, I'm not swearing on a stack of Bibles that I "KNOW" that he's 100% innocent because I DON'T know that for a fact.

But just as with many other cases which were proven false, he's been tried & convicted, not based upon sworn testimony, but based upon accusations, all before he's had his day in court.

And that is called PREJUDICE & I'm not ready to ruin a man's life until I hear ALL of the evidence presented from BOTH sides. Thus far, all that I can deduce is that he was a serial cheater & I can't really say that, as I believe that as with most famous people, he & his spouse had an "understanding".

And just as you, from the age of 17 to 24, I had women throwing themselves at me, just so they could be seen with the DJ, in the booth, waving at their friends as though it made them a big deal.

Now if I had women throwing themselves at me because they & their friends believed that the DJ was "somebody", then how many of these women WILLINGLY hooked-up with Cosby, believing that he could help to advance their careers, or merely because they believed that they'd become a real item?

I was a nobody, so just imagine what people will do when they have visions of fame & fortune dancing in their heads. On the other hand, imagine what they'll do when they believe that you've cheated them out of it & because you reneged, they never gained the fame that they believed that they'd receive?

Seriously, this is being accepted without question by people who grew up in the 60s & 70s & whom are "wise" in the ways of the entertainment business?

I find that equally unbelievable, as one of the biggest mantras of those days was "No head, no backstage" pass. Yet through some miracle, Cosby managed to find the only 50 something women who'd never heard of the casting couch, or knew the the field of entertainment leans toward the side of "You do something for me & I'll do something for you".

Nope, they were all fresh off of the farm like poor 'ol Rebecca of Sunnybrook. But seeing what I've seen & knowing what I know, I'm just not buying that load of bull, if only because it's totally inconsistent with everything that the entertainment business has proven to be about & inconsistent with most of the young upstarts whom I knew trying to break in as a model, singer or actress here in NYC from the 60s through the 70s & the 80s were even worse.

And a few police or hospital reports would go a long way in helping me to believe them because the people in my family or friends filled out at least a police report & got themselves checked for syphilis. That none of these women have been reported as having even done that little, makes it hard for me to believe what they're saying.

The reason most rapes go unreported cause the vicims are treatedas criminally by some men because of the way they dress or if they consumed liquor or because they dont go to the police or the doctor. Have you any idea the shame a woman feel after being raped. You believe Cosbys innocent well I do not. I think he drug and rape a large percentage of those women and it makes it real hard for me to believe that he did not.

[juicefree20]

The reason most rapes go unreported cause the vicims are treatedas criminally by some men because of the way they dress or if they consumed liquor or because they dont go to the police or the doctor. Have you any idea the shame a woman feel after being raped. You believe Cosbys innocent well I do not. I think he drug and rape a large percentage of those women and it makes it real hard for me to believe that he did not.

Roberta,

Indeed, what you say is true & I feel for any woman or man who has felt the need to remain silent.

However, we're speaking about women who just happened to have come along during the explosion of the sexual revolution, where the mores had completely changed.

Let's take for instance, the woman who claimed to have been raped in the Playboy Mansion in the late 60s at age 15. Now at the age of 8, I knew what Playboy Magazine was all about, as my cousins & uncles had the magazines. So my question then becomes, exactly WHY was a 15 year-old in that mansion & how did she even know to go there?

If she was 15, then it means that she must've lied in order to gain entry. So am I to believe that she went there with the intent of getting glasses of Nestle's Strawberry or Chocolate Quik? Or do I take an educated guess & conclude that while perhaps may have been looking for some milk, that it wasn't from that bunny from the commercial.

I'm sorry, but I'm simply having a difficult time believing that out of 50+ women, not one of those women went around Cosby without having an agenda of their own set firmly in place.

And from what I remember about rape, most times rape is committed by either a perfect stranger, or a family member or friend. But I can't believe that that Cosby found 50 women whom were confident or headstrong enough to believe that they could compete in the shark infested waters known as show business [[which has historically chewed up & spit out young ladies by the thousands), yet were too afraid to utter a mumbling word about Cosby in an era where Black men were chased out of neighborhoods such as Howard Beach & Bensonhurst for walking through those areas, much less touching a Caucasian woman.

Never in the history of negrodome, have I heard of a man raping 5 Caucasian women & surviving, much less 50.

I'm sorry, but I know of far too many women who didn't "believe" that they had been sexually assaulted, they KNEW that they had been sexually assaulted & while some were afraid to come forward because they had to be around their tormentor, as he was a family member or friend, these women don't have that same excuse.

And as we have seen far too many times, the fact that a woman or a man accuses someone of something, doesn't mean that it's necessarily true.

I honestly believe that these women were perfectly willing to go along with his program because he promised them help. I believe that he likely reneged on his promises & likely dismissed them when someone newer or fresher cane along & they became pissed, but really had no way to even the score.

And once one accusation caught fire, that opened the door for some retribution to be exacted. Seriously, even if what they assert is true, perhaps a few women whom were scared may have surfaced once this surfaced. But suddenly, more than 50 women whom were terrorized suddenly found courage & strength to come forward?

50+?

Sorry, perhaps I know too many people who'll fight for themselves tooth & nail without any prodding from anyone, but I simply give women a lot more credit than that.

And isn't it somewhat interesting that almost ALL of these women found this courage & strength only AFTER the Statute Of Limitations expired, where by law, Cosby doesn't have to defend himself & won't face prosecution. However, by doing so, they've placed him in the position of having to defend himself against charges which have no true legal ramifications for him, or look guilty as hell if he exercises his right to refuse to do so. For most, their accusations are more than sufficient to prove "guilt".

So even if he wins, he's already lost in the court of public opinion & do you want to bet that if he slipped a million to each of them, that all of this would've gone away?

I save my sympathies for the women, children & yes, men, whom I know have been sexually assaulted & from most of the accounts that I've read, these women DID NOT respond as most sexual assault victims I've known or seen.

But based upon what I've observed in about 40 years of being in clubs, at shows & anything entertainment related, most of these women have reacted & this is just my opinion, as thousands of women whom I've seen who were perfectly willing to go along in order to get along.

But what taints this whole picture is that we're talking about sexual assault, which is about the worst thing that any human can do to another & the mere thought or accusation of it makes people think of all of the men who HAVE raped & taken advantage of women & some people find it difficult to believe that a woman would ever lie about such a thing.

Sorry to say it, but a lot of women & even kids do lie. I know a mentally handicapped man who lost more than 10 years of his life sitting in prison, because some teenager [[who was actually screwing his equally mentally-handicapped brother), accused him of "touching" him, all because he wouldn't give the kid money.

People do lie & when millions of dollars at stake, some may believe that there's strength in numbers. You may find 5 or even 10 women who'll be assaulted & not file a police report, or won't go to the hospital in order to get themselves checked out. But Bill managed to find more than 50 women who did absolutely nothing & a few who willingly chose to remain in his presence & accept money & other favors afterward.

That doesn't seem to fit the description of fear, trauma, nor rape, for that matter.

What that suggests, I'll leave for God to decide.

Having said that, if all of this proves to be true, then let the chips fall where they may & he'll have earned every drop of scorn being heaped upon him.

I also say that all of these universities removing his name from everything, should give every dime that he's donated to them to a charity for battered or sexually abused women & children.

If they honestly believe that he's guilty of what he's been accused of, then they shouldn't want to receive that kind of "bad" money. Let's see how many of them will do that, or remain a bunch of hypocrites who pay lip service & are willing to distance themselves from him, but certainly WILL NOT distance themselves from the millions that he's donated to them.

Ted Cruz will kiss President Obama in the middle of Times Square at high noon before such a thing ever happens.

[marv2]

The reason most rapes go unreported cause the vicims are treatedas criminally by some men because of the way they dress or if they consumed liquor or because they dont go to the police or the doctor. Have you any idea the shame a woman feel after being raped. You believe Cosbys innocent well I do not. I think he drug and rape a large percentage of those women and it makes it real hard for me to believe that he did not.

You are speaking in general. None of what you said apply to these women and their "cases"!

[marv2]

If you want my take on this, I have been on the side where there were women that wanted to be with me simply because I was in a hot band. I learned this early on, that women will throw themselves at musicians or entertainers, in general. This most certainly isn't suggesting that privileges weren't taken, but everyone, at that time, was an adult and had to know what could go down. So for all these years since, to see this many accusers come out of nowhere, claiming how their lives were ruined, makes me somewhat uncomfortable and has me in Cos's corner at this time.

Again, this is my opinion.

Ralph it is starting to come out that many of these women accusing Cosby have criminal backgrounds and have been caught lying. One accused Marv Alpert of raping years ago: