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Thanks Paul. I must have just thought Smokey wrote the songs, and produced them, because the writing sounded so much like his style, and the acetates I found were Jobete Music "proof of ownership" acetates, which had no writers or producers listed. With Gisbson also having been involved with New York's Versatones group, it seems obvious that this was the New York Richie Records group. Being that they were a New York [[New Jersey) group, it seems likely to me that they had a previous connection to Eddie Singleton, and were chosen by Raynoma and Eddie, to be screened for becoming Motown artists and given a Motown recording contract. Raynoma probably sent demos of their singing to Robert Gordy, who brought them to Detroit, and helped them polish their songs [[or wrote new songs for them), and recorded them. I assume that they WERE given Motown artist contracts, or their songs wouldn't have been allowed to be included in "Cellarful of Motown" CDs. They'd have been barred from being used, just as another Motown New York group, The Serenaders had their song, "Tears, Nobody, and a Smile" was, because it wasn't known whether or not the group was under contract with Motown when that recording was made.

Was Carl Gibson a member of New York's Versatones? Of the 4 and 5 member group, I can only find 3 of their names: Herbert Stubbs, Ron Chapman, and John Greenwood. Perhaps Gibson was their 4th member, and their main songwriter/member[[e.g. creative leader)?
I still hear late 1950's Miracles singing. I'm so glad you guys gave me the information I needed 👍