Were some of Motown's recordings too advanced for radio at the time?

[WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance]

Being a Motown fan and also a musician, I even have difficulty coming up with other titles from Motown that are written in this time signature. One that does come to mind; however, is the Four Tops' "Yesterday's Dreams" which, while very good, is not one of the singles they are most known for.

"Go Ahead And Laugh" Martha & The Vandellas

"Does Your Mama Know About Me" Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers

"Baby Baby" The Miracles [[album track, "Away We A Go Go"

"One Too Many Heartaches" The Isley Brothers

"I'll Be Standing By" and "Do You Love Me Just A Little Honey" Gladys Knight & The Pips [[album tracks, "Everybody Needs Love")

to name a few...

[jobucats]

"Go Ahead And Laugh" Martha & The Vandellas

"Does Your Mama Know About Me" Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers

"Baby Baby" The Miracles [[album track, "Away We A Go Go"

"One Too Many Heartaches" The Isley Brothers

"I'll Be Standing By" and "Do You Love Me Just A Little Honey" Gladys Knight & The Pips [[album tracks, "Everybody Needs Love")

to name a few...

Hey, I would have to respectfully disagree that those selections are in 3/4 time [[waltz) time but are in 12/8 time [[possibly even 6/8) in which there is basic feeling of 4 beats with 3 quick sub-beats going on for each beat. 1 and ah 2 and ah 3 and ah 4 and ah= 4 main beats multiplied by 3 sub-beats=12. Diana's Reach out In Touch is an excellent example that you provided about a single release being in 3/4 time. I apologize for directing away from the beautiful "Lover Boy" by Carolyn Crawford.

[144man]

Hey, I would have to respectfully disagree that those selections are in 3/4 time [[waltz) time but are in 12/8 time [[possibly even 6/8) in which there is basic feeling of 4 beats with 3 quick sub-beats going on for each beat. 1 and ah 2 and ah 3 and ah 4 and ah= 4 main beats multiplied by 3 sub-beats=12. Diana's Reach out In Touch is an excellent example that you provided about a single release being in 3/4 time. I apologize for directing away from the beautiful "Lover Boy" by Carolyn Crawford.

The thread you opened on Motown records in waltz tempo can't be opened because you used the banned left parenthesis in the title.[see top of Club House Forum]

[jobucats]

The thread you opened on Motown records in waltz tempo can't be opened because you used the banned left parenthesis in the title.[see top of Club House Forum]

Thanks for the alert and the reminder of the banned left parenthesis. I am even 'forbidden' from accessing it to delete it. Lesson learned!

[WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance]

Hey, I would have to respectfully disagree that those selections are in 3/4 time [[waltz) time but are in 12/8 time [[possibly even 6/8) in which there is basic feeling of 4 beats with 3 quick sub-beats going on for each beat. 1 and ah 2 and ah 3 and ah 4 and ah= 4 main beats multiplied by 3 sub-beats=12. Diana's Reach out In Touch is an excellent example that you provided about a single release being in 3/4 time. I apologize for directing away from the beautiful "Lover Boy" by Carolyn Crawford.

Yeah, I wasn't sure because of exactly the explanation you gave. I had thought about things like "Love Has Gone" by the Tops but then realized that is 6/8 [[I think...) And you're still on topic because jobucats brought up the point and it got me thinking about it.

[144man]

Hey, I would have to respectfully disagree that those selections are in 3/4 time [[waltz) time but are in 12/8 time [[possibly even 6/8) in which there is basic feeling of 4 beats with 3 quick sub-beats going on for each beat. 1 and ah 2 and ah 3 and ah 4 and ah= 4 main beats multiplied by 3 sub-beats=12. Diana's Reach out In Touch is an excellent example that you provided about a single release being in 3/4 time. I apologize for directing away from the beautiful "Lover Boy" by Carolyn Crawford.

I remember on a different thread Ralph explaining that "Reach Out And Touch" was in 6/8 time rather than 3/4.
However, while this is technically correct, if you can get into the standard ballroom hold with your partner and are able to perform the basic waltz steps [which you can do with "Reach Out And Touch"], that's close enough for me.

[jobucats]

[QUOTE=144man;627000]I remember on a different thread Ralph explaining that "Reach Out And Touch" was in 6/8 time rather than 3/4.
However, while this is technically correct, if you can get into the standard ballroom hold with your partner and are able to perform the basic waltz steps [which you can do with "Reach Out And Touch"], that's close enough for me.[/QUOTE

Your last sentence is 'on point' regarding being able to do basic waltz steps. Even seasoned musicians educated in theory will often time debate the 6/8 versus the 3/4 time signature [[just as we debate if a song is in 2/2 time or 4/4 time) so I am not quite convinced that 6/8 is the gospel answer. In my original reply, I should have left out 3/4 and just stuck with waltz time.