From the 80s. Many compared this to the Supremes "Back in My Arms Again"
From the 80s. Many compared this to the Supremes "Back in My Arms Again"
Dare I mention this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSVWnxapyM
Anything by Huey Lewis and The News.
Like D'ANGELO's cover of Smokey's, "Cruisin'".
James Brown meets Motown and Jr. Walker and the All Stars. One of my FAVORITE James Brown records from '67.
Heart & Soul - Dusty Springfield & Cilla Black duet
Snow - Tina Roberts
I find it a little strange that songs published by Jobete are included in this thread.
That's because the record sessions were held in outside [[non-Motown) studios, and the producers were NOT working for Motown on those projects, and the artists were not signed to Motown for those projects. They were not Motown productions, so they could [[potentially) sound a lot different.
Two hearts - phil collins
Don't know if anyone mentioned Billy Ocean's, Love Really Hurts Without You. He himself mentioned his influence of I Can't Help Myself. Then also another one he did after this was Red Light Spells Danger. Great songs with Motown all over them. Somebody's always suing somebody over a zillion songs that sound alike. Like the George Harrison fiasco with He's So Fine. George stated his influence for My Sweet Lord came from Oh Happy Day. That suit took years and then George wound up owning the rights to He's So Fine. What an obnoxious business. Everybody copies everybody as long as there are lawyers.
Make me yours, downtown.
I say nowhere to run, run run run or itching in my heart. Vein is standard doop boop wait!! 2-3-4 scoopity oops if I was directing a singer with no rhythm the phrasing
Even has the 8 bars of Sugar Pie Honey Bunch
Hazel Joy berry2nd and Terry jobete acronym for publishing. God writes all Melody. "He" [[the supremes Gospel) "alone decides who writes a Sym-pho-ny" at the bank however the royalties are portioned. Lol. Parables speaking. The Motown recipe was one ingredient: passion and that you can not teach or take the credit for. Magic was either there or poof?! Not a factor. Motown release vote meetings how so many lacking in the magic made it to the shelf for sale. When the hunter is captured by the game. Only at hitsville could it be a hit
And BTW I am aBreathtakingGUY not a breathing Guy username faux pas. Lol. Copying the Motown hit formula would be like roping the wind and corraling Pegasus neither probability is a possibility. smokeyShakespeareRobinson said it best: Detroit we had a berry Gordy. Period
^^^However, other Detroit labels did have moonlighting Motown musicians.
^^^True, but I couldn't alliterate them!
We had two extremely long threads on them - one for the L.A. Office, and one for the New York office, where we covered just about all the known non-Motown Jobete song recordings, which were from before we lost many threads to Lowell's website format changing in 2004. They each had hundreds of record label scans. We re-posted some of them on 2 threads that, I believe, still exist[[I hope). But, it's a shame, so many of the old, classic threads were lost, and now many of their contributors are deceased.
^^^ i would love to trawl through the SDF archives, but I'm not sure that the site is secure from bugs.
Here's one produced by Sidney Barnes, under the alias, M. Alexander, just after Sidney and the whole New York Motown/Jobete Music Office was shut down by Berry Gordy, and everyone in it was fired.
George Clinton wrote this together with Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier for Motown, but they never used. So Clinton gave it to Gene Redd at Ed Wingate's Golden World, after Berry fired him, Redd, and everyone else at Jobete Music's New York Office.
Here's Detroiter Shirley Lawson:
Detroit's Martiniques sound like they're singing a 1959 or 1960 Miracles' song:
The sax even sounds like it's been played by Dr. Beans Bowles!
I always thought that Chicago producer, Richard Parker, learned how to make Detroit-style Soul records while working in Detroit, for Ed Wingate's Golden World/Ric-Tic Records. This one has a mixed Chicago-Detroit style somewhat reminiscent of Motown:
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This was ex-Motowner, ex-husband of Mary Wells, Herman Griffin producing his new ladyfriend's group:
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Here's another Richard Parker production, and another Mary Love song:
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Here's another J.J. Barnes produced by ex-Motowner, Don Davis:
This sounds like a late 1962 or early 1963 Motown cut. Probably several Motown musicians playing on it, and I've heard that songwriter, Dorothy Pierce, was an alias for Holland, Dozier, and Holland, because Dorothy Pierce was the name of Brian Holland's mother-in-law:
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Here's one from Detroit drummer/producer, Melvin Davis, who also worked on many Motown sessions:
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Clinton and his crew wrote many songs for Jobete Music while working in Motown's New York office [[most in New York, but, a few while in Detroit). Why would only THIS particular song need Holland's and Dozier's name on pt for Motown's copyright protection? That makes no sense. If that were true, why weren't their names on Jobete songs: "You Don't Say Nothing", "If You Can Stand Me", "I Misjudged You", and others??? All members of The Parliaments commented on their time staying in Detroit, and working at Motown's offices there, as well as regular Detroit-based Motown staff and artists mentioning The Parliaments being there for a while. I rather think that George collaborated with Brian and Lamont on this song, while George was in Detroit.
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But the difference is that there are parts of melodies and lyrics from existing songs.
This could have been a Four Tops release... Penned by Popcorn Wiley, Tony Hester, and legendary Luther Dixon... Detroit/Motown connections could explain it... https://youtu.be/KO0Zba2Y5Uw
The instrumental on that Gwen Owens song is quite good, and something of which to be proud.
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My Man, A Sweet Man by Millie Jackson. Sounds like the Funk Bros on this one
If it hasn't been mentioned, "Talk It Over" by Grayson Hugh is pure Motown.
^^^ Though "Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide" is included in the lyrics, I can hear musical phrases borrowed from "I Can't Help Myself" in the backing.
^^^Like I said, it was just an assumption.
Here's yet another J.J. Barnes cut that sounds like Motown - and why not? It was written and arranged by Motown's band leader of that exact time, Joe Hunter, and all the musicians on it had played for Motown at one time or another:
I'm sure there are many more by J.J. that we forgot to add to this thread.
a lot of really great songs in this thread
really could/should be a motown sound copycats box set
I'd buy it
So would a lot of other people. And I'd offer to supply 300 dpi scans of the labels, and write the liner notes/for a gratis set!
Maybe I should run this idea past Ace/Kent? Or would gathering all the rights to the most obscure of them be too difficult, and cost more than they could get back in sales? :[[
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