Marvin Gaye to be featured on Celebrity Crime Files on TVONE Monday

**summer96** · 10-25-2012, 07:15 PM

Hi all! I'm a newbie and love all things motown. Just wanted to let you know
'Marvin Gaye to be featured on Celebrity Crime Files on TVONE Monday'

**milven** · 10-25-2012, 08:38 PM

Thanks, just set my DVR. Welcome to SDF

**midnightman** · 10-25-2012, 10:38 PM

Thanks. I wonder if this will be as good as the "Final 24" episode. Still a tragic day.

**Hulswood** · 10-27-2012, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by midnightman

Thanks. I wonder if this will be as good as the "Final 24" episode. Still a tragic day.

The Final24 episode is good and can be seen on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Gwv8wxISA

**midnightman** · 10-27-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Hulswood

The Final24 episode is good and can be seen on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Gwv8wxISA

Yeah I watched it on there.

**summer96** · 10-26-2012, 09:11 PM

Whats funny is the Rick James said he always heard Marvins brother Frankie shot him lol. I believe that.

**midnightman** · 10-26-2012, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by summer96

Whats funny is the Rick James said he always heard Marvins brother Frankie shot him lol. I believe that.

He said that in his book?

**summer96** · 10-26-2012, 10:56 PM

Yes! He said that in his book.

**midnightman** · 10-27-2012, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by summer96

Yes! He said that in his book.

Can you give us verbatim what he wrote about that? Or quote him or something...

**summer96** · 10-27-2012, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by midnightman

Can you give us verbatim what he wrote about that? Or quote him or something...

From the book page 212:
People think that Marvin's father did it. I always heard it was his brother Frankie. In any case he's gone. The night he died I was home freebasing. All of a sudden I got this terrible headache, like none I've had before. Jan [[Gaye) called me on the phone crying hysterically. I knew something was terribly wrong. She said,"Rick, Marvin's dead." I threw the pipe down and cried myself to sleep.

**the_classic_master** · 10-27-2012, 01:20 PM

really? that's the first i ever heard of this, WOW!

**arrr&bee** · 10-27-2012, 02:12 PM

Oh boy everybody drinkin hooch today,i guess next they'll say that[john wilkes booth]shot him!!!

**midnightman** · 10-27-2012, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by arrr&bee

Oh boy everybody drinkin hooch today,i guess next they'll say that[john wilkes booth]shot him!!!

LOL earlier this year, I saw something about Berry having something to do with Marvin's death or something like that but it was as a blind item but I doubt Berry's that smart to devise a murder plot. Jesus...lol

**BayouMotownMan** · 10-27-2012, 02:39 PM

Marvin's mother was at the scene of the crime and testified. Frankie tried to save Marvin. The dad did it

**midnightman** · 10-27-2012, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by BayouMotownMan

Marvin's mother was at the scene of the crime and testified. Frankie tried to save Marvin. The dad did it

That's how I remembered it too. Marvin's last words was to Frankie when he said to him after he was shot: "there's no more left in me."

**calvin** · 10-27-2012, 10:04 PM

I recall that after he was arrested, they found that Marvin Gay Sr had a brain tumour. Some wondered if it might have affected his behaviour. I think that was why he got a suspended sentence. But I didn't hear that mentioned in that Final24 episode.

**arrr&bee** · 10-27-2012, 11:31 PM

Marvin gay sr. Was a failed minister who was too strict on his kids,he also had a strong feminine side that he let show maybe a bit too much,at the time of marvin's death he was also an alcoholic the gun he shot his son with was given to him by marvin some time before.

**midnightman** · 10-27-2012, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by calvin

I recall that after he was arrested, they found that Marvin Gay Sr had a brain tumour. Some wondered if it might have affected his behaviour. I think that was why he got a suspended sentence. But I didn't hear that mentioned in that Final24 episode.

No one mentions the tumor... but some say that Marvin Sr. shot Marvin because he was humiliated from his son's attacks on him.

**calvin** · 10-27-2012, 11:48 PM

Sure, this tense relationship between Marvin and his father went all the way back to Marvin's childhood. And Gay Sr was ruled to be competent to stand trial.

Just saying, I recall that it was considered newsworthy at the time that this tumour was found.

From "Murderpedia" [[who thought up that website name?):
Originally charged with first-degree murder, the charges were dropped when doctors examined Marvin Sr. and discovered that the then 69-year-old suffered a brain tumor. He agreed to serve five years probation for the crime, after pleading no contest to voluntary manslaughter. During sentencing, Marvin Sr. tearfully stated to the court that he wished he hadn't killed his son, saying he feared for his safety. His wife later went and lived at their daughter Jeanne's house. Marvin Sr. was later sent to a rest home for the remainder of his life, where he died of pneumonia in Culver City, California on October 10, 1998, just nine days after turning 84.

http://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/gay-marvin-pentz.htm

**splanky** · 10-28-2012, 11:13 AM

Well, well,well...with Marvin, Frankie, Rick , Daddy Gaye Sr as well as people like Teddy
Pendergrass[[ who also boned Jan and at least confessed to it, even mentioning it in his
book,) all gone, I guess folks can create whatever fictions they want...
I personally believe Daddy shot him with the gun Marvin gave him, after Marvin , stoned out of his mind on cocaine, pushed him into it. I wasn't there like his mother was but I don't
think she would have suddenly divorced her husband had Frankie did it and I don't believe
Frankie would have written his book My Brother had he did it. But that's just me. Believe in
elves shooting Marvin, if you want....

**splanky** · 10-28-2012, 11:23 AM

Oh yea, and BTW, summer, it was Martin Luther King Jr's father who was born Michael and
he who changed his name . People do that all over the world and it's legal. Martin Jr
his son was named after the change. ...

**summer96** · 10-28-2012, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by splanky

Oh yea, and BTW, summer, it was Martin Luther King Jr's father who was born Michael and
he who changed his name . People do that all over the world and it's legal. Martin Jr
his son was named after the change. ...

I've done the research and read the books you haven't. MLK Jr. was born Mike King Junior. His name was not changed until he was around 5 years of age. [[That's why he is a junior. If his father was born mike king then he was too think about that. If ihewas born marting luther king junionr then who was he named after LOL [[cause he was a junior). All you do is stay in motown land.

**summer96** · 10-28-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by splanky

Oh yea, and BTW, summer, it was Martin Luther King Jr's father who was born Michael and
he who changed his name . People do that all over the world and it's legal. Martin Jr
his son was named after the change. ...

From wikipedia: Martin Luther King, Jr. was born on January 15, 1929, in Atlanta, Georgia, to Reverend Martin Luther King, Sr. and Alberta Williams King.^[5] His legal name at birth was "Michael King";^[6] his father, who changed his own name from Michael to Martin Luther...

**midnightman** · 10-28-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by splanky

Oh yea, and BTW, summer, it was Martin Luther King Jr's father who was born Michael and
he who changed his name . People do that all over the world and it's legal. Martin Jr
his son was named after the change. ...

Yep. King's dad was influenced by Martin Luther so he felt he should be named as such as well as his son once he was born. Michael Luther King became Martin Luther King, Sr. in 1928.

**calvin** · 10-28-2012, 12:06 PM

I'd go with the simplest explanation here - it was Marvin Sr and the family told the truth about what happened.

When several people conspire together to make up a false story, there will usually be minor inconsistencies in their stories. And in this case, I guess they wouldn't have had much time to sit together and work out in detail what they would tell the police.

So Rick James "always heard it was Frankie", in between pipe hits. There's probably nothing more to that than some guy sharing the pipe with Rick just speculated once that Frankie did it. Who would this guy have heard it from? Only family members were present when it happened, and if they lied to the police, why would they shoot their mouths off afterwards?

**summer96** · 10-28-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by calvin

I'd go with the simplest explanation here - it was Marvin Sr and the family told the truth about what happened.

When several people conspire together to make up a false story, there will usually be minor inconsistencies in their stories. And in this case, I guess they wouldn't have had much time to sit together and work out in detail what they would tell the police.

So Rick James "always heard it was Frankie", in between pipe hits. There's probably nothing more to that than some guy sharing the pipe with Rick just speculated once that Frankie did it. Who would this guy have heard it from? Only family members were present when it happened, and if they lied to the police, why would they shoot their mouths off afterwards?

Why are you judging Rick James because of his drug problems? At the time he was a musical genius. I read the whole book and supplied the information. You all didn't read it. I did. And you are dismissing it because I supplied it, If you are going to judge him then judge every motown artist on there drugs and problems and question every thing you have ever heard. He was a bonafided Motown artist and you all were not.

I'm adding new information to the deal from a credible source. I'm not making this up off the top of my head.

It's like no one believes Latoya Jackson when she says Mike was murdered. But you can't dismiss it just because you think she's crazy or because you don't like her.

You have to research and read books and not just watch tv shows and listen to news reports.

**summer96** · 10-28-2012, 01:12 PM

LOL. Stay in the dark and be entertained over and over by the illunimatis little story lol

**midnightman** · 10-28-2012, 02:42 PM

^ Uh, OK, it's official: you're not making sense.

**midnightman** · 10-28-2012, 02:46 PM

Also, some wild story leaked that drug dealers might've killed Marvin but of course that was hogwash as well.

Plus like it's been said Rick was doped up. I'm not buying his story. He ain't bringing in no type of information of where he heard it from. He was just blowing hot air on that story in particular.