Are the Flos Fizzled?

[luke]

No update on their website for almost a year and havent heard of any appearances.

[blueskies]

Their Yahoo group site is up and running.....though, seldom any mention of the FLOS.

[jobeterob]

I dont know the answer to this question but my perception is that everything Supremes connected has declined in the last few years; even Diana's long running tour is less active; beyond that the concerts are fewer, the appearances fewer, the publicity they attract is smaller; it probably has quite a lot to do with age.

[marybrewster]

I think most websites have gone the way of Facebook; easier to update and keep informed. If you are on FB, the FLOs do have their own page, with recent pictures.

[luke]

Many celeberties update their websites continually. I did look at their FB page before I posted this thread but didnt see much,

[carlo]

I just saw a new photo on the FLOS' Facebook page from an interview they did in Germany. They must be there doing at least one or more concert dates. Often times, when we don't hear from them, they're still touring, doing corporate and private concert dates. I heard that Diana also did some private gigs this past week and rumour has it she will be back on the road in the fall.

[luke]

Guess I missed it. They had been updating their website so it seemed unusual no news there.

[jobeterob]

Diana Ross Performed for a Seven Star Crowd This Past Weekend – What?
Diana Ross Performed for a Seven Star Crowd This Past Weekend – What?
June 18, 2012 By jmarmo Leave a Comment
Diana Ross snuck into town this weekend to perform a private concert for our Seven Star guests at Caesars Atlantic City on Friday night in honor of Seven Star Weekend.

She busted out the classics like “Stop In The Name Of Love” and “Baby Love” a la 1965 and didn’t even skip a beat. Miss Ross was as timeless and elegant as ever.


Radiant. Literally.
Say what, though?! “Curse you, Atlantic City blog, you told us nothing about this said event!”

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[markdtiller]

Funny you should bring this up, but I recently realised my membership of the FLOS Yahoo site has been terminated. I rejoined and was refused, with no explanation forthcoming from David Kramlick. How rude! Not a nice way treat supporters. I wouldn't mind if I was one of these people who participate in bitch fests, I'm mainly quiet. Ah well.

[smark21]

David Kramlick has been a tear lately. He does a terrible job representing the FLOS in that Yahoo group of his. There’s a new member there who brought up Mary Wilson in a nice, uncontroversial way and Kramlick threaten to ban her and declared himself the “dictator” of the group. He must be off his meds.

[smark21]

Scherrie Payne has been keeping busy with another group, Tour de 4orce.

[rod_rick]

David Kramlick has been a tear lately. He does a terrible job representing the FLOS in that Yahoo group of his. There’s a new member there who brought up Mary Wilson in a nice, uncontroversial way and Kramlick threaten to ban her and declared himself the “dictator” of the group. He must be off his meds.

I wonder how Scherrie and Lynda react to some of his comments on that yahoo site. They made a big deal out of that interview Mary did when she couldn't remember Lynda's name for a moment. In their eyes you would think that Mary totally dissed them [[70 supremes)

[blueskies]

RE: Tour De 4Force: I was recently going to bring this group up and ask if anyone knew if they were still together. I have their CD. It's "OK". I think I played it once. Nothing really stood out for me. Lots of talent there, though. I need to give the CD a re-listen.

[jobeterob]

Rod, do you mean Scherrie and Lynda reacted to Mary forgetting the name or the members of the group reacted? It was a pretty minor miss. And Mary opened herself up a lot to that interviewer at the same time.

It's amazing how many people are said to be on medication.

[rod_rick]

Rod, do you mean Scherrie and Lynda reacted to Mary forgetting the name or the members of the group reacted? It was a pretty minor miss. And Mary opened herself up a lot to that interviewer at the same time.

It's amazing how many people are said to be on medication.

Rob
It's just some of the members of that Yahoo group. No one has stated that Scherrie or Lynda responded to the interview

[jobeterob]

Thanks Rod. I can't really imagine that Lynda or Scherrie would get too mixed up in this. Generally, the actual members of the group have stayed above the fan fray, thankfully.

[helga]

Is it true that Freddi was fired from the FLOS? I wonder if this has impacted the FLOS' bookings?

[detmotownguy]

Has there ever been a reliable confirmation on why jean left the FlOS? I have always been a big fan of her voice.

[jillfoster]

David Kramlick has been a tear lately. He does a terrible job representing the FLOS in that Yahoo group of his. There’s a new member there who brought up Mary Wilson in a nice, uncontroversial way and Kramlick threaten to ban her and declared himself the “dictator” of the group. He must be off his meds.

I agree.. David Kramlick is a complete jackass. He makes them look bad.

[jillfoster]

Has there ever been a reliable confirmation on why jean left the FlOS? I have always been a big fan of her voice.

Someone else can say what the rumors were... but if true, it wasn't pretty, and quite soap opera-ish. The FLOS ceased to be very important when Jean left. She was the key to everything, really. Joyce is wonderful... but she really doesn't BELONG with them, and frankly, the FLOS are far beneath her and her position in music history.

[marybrewster]

Someone else can say what the rumors were... but if true, it wasn't pretty, and quite soap opera-ish. The FLOS ceased to be very important when Jean left. She was the key to everything, really. Joyce is wonderful... but she really doesn't BELONG with them, and frankly, the FLOS are far beneath her and her position in music history.

Does anyone know if Joyce ever tours with Tony Oralndo and Telma Hopkins? Seems to me they used to do a Christmas show in Branson and not that long ago they released a Chrsitmas CD.

[markdtiller]

Is it true that Freddi was fired from the FLOS? I wonder if this has impacted the FLOS' bookings?

I have heard that Freddi[[e) left as she was not happy getting lower pay than Lynda & Scherrie, when she was putting in the same amount of work. I did think it was shabby the way Freddi was completely expunged when she left from the FLOS website, as though she never existed and Kramlick refused to be drawn on the subject. To not have the good grace to credit her for 13 years work was poor. She went of and joined Jean's Supreme Review and then of course landed the gig with the 3 Degrees. However, the FLOS seem to have patched it up with her now as she does get mentioned again.

[jobeterob]

I am not up on the details of all former Supremes.

So, Freddi was fired. Was she a FLO for 13 years? Jeez, long time.

And Jean Terrell has a review that is out there working too? Does Jean still sing?

And Freddi has gone on to the 3 Degrees?

I'll say it again, no wonder Mary has been pissed off at times; everyone is cashing in and taking the work away, including Shantal and the SOS; the real Supremes never get paid when they make movies based on some part of their story.

There should be some money in some of this.

[smark21]

The way The FLOS handled the departure of Freddie was badly handled with no announcement. Just new publicity pics, or existing pics photoshopped to cut Freddie out and insert Joyce Vincent Wilson. Scherrie Payne had to step in and clean up the mess when she finally made an announcement to the fans of the group about the line up change.

[helga]

I have heard that Freddi[[e) left as she was not happy getting lower pay than Lynda & Scherrie, when she was putting in the same amount of work. I did think it was shabby the way Freddi was completely expunged when she left from the FLOS website, as though she never existed and Kramlick refused to be drawn on the subject. To not have the good grace to credit her for 13 years work was poor. She went of and joined Jean's Supreme Review and then of course landed the gig with the 3 Degrees. However, the FLOS seem to have patched it up with her now as she does get mentioned again.

That's interesting. Thank you Mark for sharing your insight on this. I was reading some posts on this forum and the FLOS Yahoo Group. I find it ironic that a member named "ivyfield" was bitching over Mary forgetting Lynda's name in an interview for about 10 seconds [[and then went on to acknowledge her), meanwhile the FLOS' management team seemed eager to erase Freddi from history. Interesting indeed.

[jillfoster]

Helga, you might be interested to know that Lynda IS the FLOS management team. The other people around them are just fan club sycophants that do things for them gratis.

[marybrewster]

Is Eric Iverson no longer managing the FLOs? He's just as cute as he can be. I've got something he can manage, honey.

[detmotownguy]

Helga, you might be interested to know that Lynda IS the FLOS management team. The other people around them are just fan club sycophants that do things for them gratis.

Sometimes I wonder if Sherrie should have gone out on her own. Unless she felt there was still value in using "The Supremes" name in the group name. I never really cared much for any of the FLOS music. I am NOT bashing her voice, just the music. Freddie seemed like classy lady. I only met Lynda once at a concert in Detroit many years ago.

[helga]

Scherrie was and still is an amazing vocalist. She deserves more recognition.

[blueskies]

It would have been interesting to see/hear what the FLOS would have been like had Cindy stayed in the group with Jean and Scherrie. I 'think' that was the original line-up.

[detmotownguy]

I like that idea. Cindy worked with both ladies so there would have been good communication and harmony. Plus their sound would not be so shrill at times. Mary would have most likely supported these fine ladies.

[Roberta75]

Sometimes I wonder if Sherrie should have gone out on her own. Unless she felt there was still value in using "The Supremes" name in the group name. I never really cared much for any of the FLOS music. I am NOT bashing her voice, just the music. Freddie seemed like classy lady. I only met Lynda once at a concert in Detroit many years ago.

Wow..........you met Lynda Laurence? How cool. Was she really beautiful in real life as she looks stunning in photographs? Is she a nice lady. I've heard Ms. Laurence is lovely with her fans. Please tell us all about your meeting with former Supreme Lynda Laurence.

Yours, with every good wish.

Roberta

[markdtiller]

We spoke to soon or someone is reading this. There are suddenly 3 new news items n the FLOS website. A new album in the pipeline CD from their old producer, Steve Weaver [[ivyfield), new photos and dresses and shows in Germany.

[ralpht]

Mary Brewster, you make a man blush...

[blueskies]

Mary Brester to the rescue! I was feeling kinda down in the dumps today and read Mary's posting and laughed out loud. A good, old therapeutic laugh! Thanks, Mary!

[luke]

U kinow they are Mark! Scherrie could have been a bigger star if she had gone solo. To my knolwedge Tour De Force is pretty stagnant after an initial flurry.

[marv2]

U kinow they are Mark! Scherrie could have been a bigger star if she had gone solo. To my knolwedge Tour De Force is pretty stagnant after an initial flurry.

I also feel Scherrie would have fared a lot better had she not stayed in the FLOS as long as she has.

[blueskies]

I agree. I think the FLOS were fairly credible when Jean was in the group.....then when she left, so went that special spark. Scherrie should have gone out on her own.

[telekin]

I have heard that Freddi[[e) left as she was not happy getting lower pay than Lynda & Scherrie, when she was putting in the same amount of work. I did think it was shabby the way Freddi was completely expunged when she left from the FLOS website, as though she never existed and Kramlick refused to be drawn on the subject. To not have the good grace to credit her for 13 years work was poor. She went of and joined Jean's Supreme Review and then of course landed the gig with the 3 Degrees. However, the FLOS seem to have patched it up with her now as she does get mentioned again.

Some idle speculation here on my part and I'm not entirely clear on the timeline.. Given how many oldies acts have had their bookings affected by the recession [[I recall even Mary Wilson speaking about this recently), and if it's true that Freddie was getting less money as the third member of the FLOS, I'm thinking that her leaving may have been simply a business decision. If bookings were dwindling, and she had been offered a place as a full member of the Three Degrees, who would be a much bigger draw than the FLOS, it would have been a no-brainer on my part. Being a member of a well-known group like the Three Degrees, as opposed to being the non-Supreme in a group of former Supremes; it would likely mean more work, more money and more recognition.

[markdtiller]

Some idle speculation here on my part and I'm not entirely clear on the timeline.. Given how many oldies acts have had their bookings affected by the recession [[I recall even Mary Wilson speaking about this recently), and if it's true that Freddie was getting less money as the third member of the FLOS, I'm thinking that her leaving may have been simply a business decision. If bookings were dwindling, and she had been offered a place as a full member of the Three Degrees, who would be a much bigger draw than the FLOS, it would have been a no-brainer on my part. Being a member of a well-known group like the Three Degrees, as opposed to being the non-Supreme in a group of former Supremes; it would likely mean more work, more money and more recognition.

I think you're right about the business reasons, but there was quite a hiatus of at least a year between FLOS and 3 Degrees, she did not leave one for the other. In fact she went off and joined Jean Terrell in her Supreme Review with former Wild Honey group mate, Mary Flowers and then had a few gigs with her own Supreme Tribute Act, in 2010 before joining 3 Degrees in 2011. Things worked out well for her I think! She made the right decision.

[jobeterob]

There is a common thread in a lot of the interviews and chat regarding the FLOS and a lot of the other older acts that had some success but not big success ~ and that is the bookings are falling off, some of the tours haven't been successful, there have been cancellations, there seems to be competition from cheap tribute knocks offs or from spin off groups that have only the remotest connection to a group that originally successful; this seems to apply to everyone from the FLOS and Freddi Poole to the Jackson 4 to Mary Wilson and Jean Terrell to the Funk Brothers, Four Tops and Temptations and all these other acts from the 60's that had a few hits but didn't manage to bring in a lot of money and keep it.

[telekin]

I think you're right about the business reasons, but there was quite a hiatus of at least a year between FLOS and 3 Degrees, she did not leave one for the other. In fact she went off and joined Jean Terrell in her Supreme Review with former Wild Honey group mate, Mary Flowers and then had a few gigs with her own Supreme Tribute Act, in 2010 before joining 3 Degrees in 2011. Things worked out well for her I think! She made the right decision.

Ah, you're right.. I didn't realize there was about a year there between leaving the FLOS and joining the Three Degrees. I agree, she did make the right decision. Despite the economy, she has definitely come out as a winner in all of this, though I guess it's still very much an open question as to why she left the FLOS.

[marybrewster]

I agree with above; Freddi[[e) has been touring like crazy with the Three Degrees. You don't hear much about the FLOs performing.

And truth be told; Freddie is now in a legitimate girl-group. Not that the FLOs aren't a group, but they're not the Supremes.

[marv2]

Some idle speculation here on my part and I'm not entirely clear on the timeline.. Given how many oldies acts have had their bookings affected by the recession [[I recall even Mary Wilson speaking about this recently), and if it's true that Freddie was getting less money as the third member of the FLOS, I'm thinking that her leaving may have been simply a business decision. If bookings were dwindling, and she had been offered a place as a full member of the Three Degrees, who would be a much bigger draw than the FLOS, it would have been a no-brainer on my part. Being a member of a well-known group like the Three Degrees, as opposed to being the non-Supreme in a group of former Supremes; it would likely mean more work, more money and more recognition.

But that's not what happened. She was out of the FLOS for a while before getting picked up by the Three Degrees who had a member that was ill.

[luke]

Exactly. Thats the second time Ive seen that--trying to rewrite history. Ms Poole also seen going to Mary Wilson's show right after she was no longer in the Flos.

[marv2]

Exactly. Thats the second time Ive seen that--trying to rewrite history. Ms Poole also seen going to Mary Wilson's show right after she was no longer in the Flos.

Luke, she went to see Mary's show BEFORE she got fired!

[telekin]

But that's not what happened. She was out of the FLOS for a while before getting picked up by the Three Degrees who had a member that was ill.

Yes, I realize. I acknowledged that in post #42, above.

[luke]

I love Karma! Now shes touring the world with a highly successful group!!

[marv2]

I love Karma! Now shes touring the world with a highly successful group!!

She's getting paid and getting some decent gigs.

[ivyfield]

No update on their website for almost a year and havent heard of any appearances.

Well I seriously hope not. They're contracted for gigs up till the middle of next year, I've completed 13 [[of the 15 tracks) for Supremely Yours II and they've just had 3 new sets of gowns made. Fizzled? After being together for almost 30 years? No. To quote Ms Ross on Oprah: "They keep the Supremes legacy alive". They certainly ain't finished yet.

The website is in the process of being re-designed. Priority is the new album. I fly out to LA to record the vocals at the end of August.