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    Worst Motown songs?

    This thread was inpired by the recent Guardian article: "[Mowest's] only hit was Tom Clay's terrible spoken-word rendition of What the World Needs Now, the portentous oration intercut with socially provocative media reports." I was listening to my favorite Motown channel on Live365 at work, and Tom Clay's "song" came on. I spent several minutes wondering what I'd just been listening to.

    I've seen loads of lists of top Motown songs, but I'd love to hear what SDF thinks are the worst songs out there. Maybe it's the lyrics [[or lack thereof), off-key singers / musicians, whatever. Even a hits factory like Motown was bound to release a few less-than-stellar tracks throughout its long career.


    From the hundreds of Motown songs I've listened to, my money is on Popcorn and the Mohawk's "Custer's Last Man."
    2. The Valadiers' "Greetings" [[This Is Uncle Sam). Great song, but way out-of-tune.
    3. "No Matter What Sign You Are" [[The Supremes). I read that this song was so bad, that Cindy and Mary aren't even on it [[it's the Andantes). Can anyone provide more info about this?
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    The Honest Men's cherie and that b-side of theirs, a fine example of Motown's share of musical excrement. Give me a headache just thinking about that song. Debbie Dean's "Why am I loving you" and many of the songs on TCMS vol. 1 are also pretty bad!

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    I loved "No Matter What Sign You Are";
    it made the national Top 30,and got.. airplay for a while on 77WABC AM in NY, the biggest Top 40 station in America

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    I think songs that are included in a worst list should be limited to when the company and/or the artists, writers, and producers hit their stride, most likely after 1964. Prior to that it was a learning experience and a revenue-building process.

    I vote for "I'm Living In Shame".

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    I also loved "I'm Living In Shame""! what can I tell you?

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    None of the songs that the Supremes did were the "worst Motown songs." They were given some of the best material the company ever did. Even tracks that weren't as strong as some of their others weren't dogs. You might not like all their tracks, but the company had way too much money invested in the Supremes for them to record anything really awful. Personally, I can't even listen to the 2 gospel tracks on the second disc of the Lost and Found....but they were well sung and well produced.

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    i bought that tom clay 7" on tamla motown [[uk).i was bored ,went to a department store's record dept.in oxford,so it was 1972/73.as the shop was empty i asked the girl to go thru all the tamla motown singles.which she did. i ended up with about 20 singles i either didnt have or heard of.i just bought them!the only one i can remember apart from tom clay was jimmy ruffin's "on the way out" tmg784.i played tom clay once and not all the way.thats it! its not come out the sleeve since.whats worse i still got it.look on the bright side i'm saving the planet from burnt vinyl fumes!

    btw jimmy's didnt get played much more than that either,well i did say i was bored and i got all the singles that day for half price,about 20p
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Size:  21.1 KB"Happy Ghoul Tide" and "Randy The Newspaper Boy" by Ray Oddis on VIP from 1964 are the absolute WORST Motown recordings!+

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    Yes indeed. There are others that I don't like and some that I've over-heard but in the main Motown did an excellent job

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    Well then ..

    I quite like "Custer's Last Man" by RICHARD "POPCORN" WYLIE/POPCORN AND THE MOHAWKS .. its a silly novelty record of course .. but I don't think it was ever intended to be taken seriously and it has a lot of humour in it.

    I also like "Living In Shame" .. fantastic backing track .. a bit of a pre-cursor to what THE JACKSON FIVE were doing a year or so later. The lyrics are a bit corny in places .. "came the telegram, mother died making home made jam" ... isn't one of Motown's finest couplets .. but I can happily listen to it two or three times in succession.

    Recently "Living In Shame" was included by British musical prophet of doom and depression MORRISEY [[ formerly of THE SMITHS ) as one of his Top 10 favourite tunes of all time ..

    http://www.live4ever.uk.com/2010/09/...s-of-all-time/

    Best not argue with him or he might come around and perform in your front room .. .. actually looking at his list there are some good tunes in there!!

    If I had to choose a "worst" DRATS '45 it would have to be "The Composer", it just never sounds right to me. In fact, Tamla Motown in Britain never bothered to issue it as a single, which shows how little faith they had in it.

    HOWEVER .. If I exclude obvious "Novelty" tunes, songs from when Motown was "learning" [[ 1959-63 ), and songs from musical genres that do little for me [[ "Rock", "Country" etc. ) .. I come up with this little "gem" from 1968 .. which apparently we were supposed to take seriously .. at least, according to the notes in TCMS8 the performer took it and himself very seriously!!

    ABDULLAH - "I Comma Zimbo Zia [[Here Stands The Mighty One)"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iM6-yelsTM

    Roger

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    I like the backing track on I'm Living in Shame, and the story has potential but the lyrics are just bad camp melodrama with no root in true human feeling or emotion.

    I don't care for No Matter What Sign You Are--it sounds like a cheap attempt to cash in on the success of both Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In, but stripped of any big message, and the taste of the time for using Sitars in pop songs. And the background vocal arrangement of reciting the signs of the Zodiac is obvious and unmelodic.

    The Young Folks is another weak Supremes song from that era. Ross/The Supremes were rudderless in the studio between the departure of HDH and the two for one split in which afterwards Ross had Ashford and Simpson and The Supremes had Frank Wilson to guide them.

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    I never liked "Doobedood'ndoobe, Doobedood'ndoobe, Doobedood'ndoo" by Diana Ross and considered it a poor follow-up single to I'm Still Waiting. Yes it had the same production staff [[Sorry Deke if you are reading this) but it just dragged as a song. My Place and Baby It's Love would have been better follow-up releases IMO.

    Eamonn

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    I dont know why My Place was never a single it was much better than Last Time I Saw Him! When I saw this thread I said to myself the worst Motown song I have ever heard was Ask Any Man - Tony Martin. Maybe its because I have heard the Supremes - Ask Any Girl but when I hear Tony Martin [[who can sing) I laugh so hard I cant stop. As far as Miss Ross and Doobeddoo [[dont feel like typing it out) I like it but when she would get to the part "Here it comes again"...and she would start singing the title I would laugh and go OH NO here she goes again! I like Dekes stuff especially We Need You.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    I dont know why My Place was never a single it was much better than Last Time I Saw Him! When I saw this thread I said to myself the worst Motown song I have ever heard was Ask Any Man - Tony Martin. Maybe its because I have heard the Supremes - Ask Any Girl but when I hear Tony Martin [[who can sing) I laugh so hard I cant stop. As far as Miss Ross and Doobeddoo [[dont feel like typing it out) I like it but when she would get to the part "Here it comes again"...and she would start singing the title I would laugh and go OH NO here she goes again! I like Dekes stuff especially We Need You.
    Steph
    I have to agree. Ask Any Man is pretty bad! [[LOL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff9nyc View Post
    I have to agree. Ask Any Man is pretty bad! [[LOL)

    Anything that was recorded by Marv Johnson. He just didn't have it and got lucky with those few hits he landed on United Artists. His pitch was unsteady, his falsetto sounded strained and he was just dull. The Funks sound like they were propped up, asleep, playing behind him. I know he deserves some credit for getting Motown started, but he was a dud in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamasu_Jr View Post
    Anything that was recorded by Marv Johnson. He just didn't have it and got lucky with those few hits he landed on United Artists. His pitch was unsteady, his falsetto sounded strained and he was just dull. The Funks sound like they were propped up, asleep, playing behind him. I know he deserves some credit for getting Motown started, but he was a dud in my opinion.
    Sorry I'm not having that. Marv always sang really well, and 'I Miss You Baby' is one of the best Motown songs I have heard.

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    Stephanie, I copied and pasted Doobedoo..... from the I'm Still Waiting album track listing so no great typing skills here LOL.

    I like Deke's material too but this song is weak IMO.

    Eamonn

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    Motown certainly released some clunkers in the midst of all the gold.

    In no particular order:

    Endless Gush - Ross/Richie
    Hello - Lionel Richie
    Three Times A Lady - Commodores
    Randy The Newspaper Boy - Ray Oddis
    I'm Still Waiting - Diana Ross
    No Matter What Sign You Are - DRATS
    Talkin' To Your Picture - Tony Martin
    The Bigger Your Heart Is [[The Harder You'll Fall) -Tony Martin
    Love Makes The World Go 'Round, But Money Greases The Wheel - Dee Mullins
    Three Choruses Of Despair - Rick Robin & Him
    We're Off To Dublin In The Green - Abbey Tavern Singers
    Muck-arty Park - Soupy Sales
    The Luney Landing - Captain Zap & Motortown Cut-Ups
    What The World Needs Now/Abraham, Martin And John - Tom Clay
    Shame And Scandal In The Family - Vin Cardinal
    I've Never Been To Me - Charlene
    Where Were You When The Ship went Down - Dickey & Poseidons
    Please Mr Postman - Pat Boone Family
    I Comma Zimba Zio [[Here I Stand The Mighty One) - Abdullah

    Most Rare Earth label releases and most post 75 releases in general!

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    Quote Originally Posted by copley View Post
    Motown certainly released some clunkers in the midst of all the gold.

    In no particular order:

    I'm Still Waiting - Diana Ross

    Most Rare Earth label releases and most post 75 releases in general!
    WHAT?!? I love that song. Most of the others... OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGuyParis View Post
    WHAT?!? I love that song. Most of the others... OK.
    I agree, "Still Waiting" is one of her best, with a more vulnerable quality than you tend to hear from Ross.

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    I'm Still Waiting is way down my list of favorite Ross songs; but it is no where near being one of Motown's worst songs.

    Upon thinking about it, the kind of Motown songs that I didn't like were ones that sounded contrived and over produced without an effective hook ~ a song like What It Is by Undisputed Truth comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copley View Post
    Motown certainly released some clunkers in the midst of all the gold.

    In no particular order:

    Endless Gush - Ross/Richie
    Hello - Lionel Richie
    Three Times A Lady - Commodores
    Randy The Newspaper Boy - Ray Oddis
    I'm Still Waiting - Diana Ross
    No Matter What Sign You Are - DRATS
    Talkin' To Your Picture - Tony Martin
    The Bigger Your Heart Is [[The Harder You'll Fall) -Tony Martin
    Love Makes The World Go 'Round, But Money Greases The Wheel - Dee Mullins
    Three Choruses Of Despair - Rick Robin & Him
    We're Off To Dublin In The Green - Abbey Tavern Singers
    Muck-arty Park - Soupy Sales
    The Luney Landing - Captain Zap & Motortown Cut-Ups
    What The World Needs Now/Abraham, Martin And John - Tom Clay
    Shame And Scandal In The Family - Vin Cardinal
    I've Never Been To Me - Charlene
    Where Were You When The Ship went Down - Dickey & Poseidons
    Please Mr Postman - Pat Boone Family
    I Comma Zimba Zio [[Here I Stand The Mighty One) - Abdullah

    Most Rare Earth label releases and most post 75 releases in general!
    Oh Lord, I had managed to forget the awfulness of Three Times A Lady! Thanks [[not!!!) for reminding me. But entirely disagree about I'm still Waiting - I though that an excellent tune!

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    copley
    looks like you were lined up for this question and i think you've hit all the nails too
    its not bad when you really have to think to find the bad ones from thousands is it?

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    I don't know about worst song...however Motown 50 must rank as one of the worst Motown compilations ever the same old same old, it was that bad the only thing you could compare it to was oldies radio playlist...a truly insipid & uninspiring compilation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr soul View Post
    I don't know about worst song...however Motown 50 must rank as one of the worst Motown compilations ever the same old same old, it was that bad the only thing you could compare it to was oldies radio playlist...a truly insipid & uninspiring compilation.
    Oh, you mean like Clear Channel radio station playlists here in the US, then ;-)

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    "I'm still Waiting" is fabulous, went to #1 UK. could have been a hit here;
    was it even released here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimi LaLumia View Post
    "I'm still Waiting" is fabulous, went to #1 UK. could have been a hit here;
    was it even released here?
    I'm assuming you are in the U.S. Jim .. in which case the answer is Yes!!

    Motown 1192 .. reached #40 R&B and #60 Pop.

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    I started paying attention to the U.K. glam//glitter records by 1970/71; T.Rex and the glitter version David Bowie sort of stole me away from Motown[[I did remain totally loyal to the Jean Supremes, somewhat loyal to the Liza Minnelli version of Miss Ross in the early/mid 70's)

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    "I've Never Been To Me" - Charlene

    It's so wretched that I thought of it as soon as I read the thread title! Were they all on drugs?

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    I loved Marv Johnson's work. Great singer and great guy!

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    abdullah picture sleeve


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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEW-UK View Post
    Abdullah picture sleeve.
    if you really want a copy!

    http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2455740
    Mike, you have got to be kidding me with that Abdullah picture sleeve! It doesn't seem like anything he would have approved. That might be the worst Motown picture sleeve, too. LOL

    If I have my iTunes music library sorted by Artist, Abdullah's are among the first tracks to play in the list. Then I have to hurry and change it. One reason I rarely sort by artist.
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    Marv's new collection is a 'must have' for sure but it's different strokes for different folks. I hate 'I'm Still Waiting' with a passion and it's all Tony Blackburn's fault that it got to #1 in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copley View Post
    Marv's new collection is a 'must have' for sure but it's different strokes for different folks. I hate 'I'm Still Waiting' with a passion and it's all Tony Blackburn's fault that it got to #1 in the UK.


    There's nothing essential on the recent Marv Johnson disc, in my opinion. I'm tempted to ask for a refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamasu_Jr View Post
    There's nothing essential on the recent Marv Johnson disc, in my opinion. I'm tempted to ask for a refund.
    I never thought much of his big U.K. hit "I'll Pick A Rose For My Rose" but I've always loved the "B" side .. "You've Got The Love I Love" .. and "I Miss You Baby", which also charted in the U.K.. I'd agree that his pitch wasn't always suited to what Motown got him to record but I have his recent C.D. release and generally I like it a lot, and on the subject of pitch I can think of better known Motown artists who also recorded songs that weren't suited to their voices.

    Roger

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    I LOVE Marv Johnson's Tamla, Gordy and UA cuts. There were some great tracks behind him, too. What's wrong with "I Miss You Baby", "Just The Way You Are", "So Glad You Chose Me", "The Man Who Don't Believe In Love", "Come To Me", "I Love The Way You Love", "You Got What It Takes", "I'm Coming Home", "Magic Mirror", "All The Love I've Got", etc.???

    "We're Off To Dublin In The Green" - Abbey Tavern Singers-was quite good, I thought. No one expects Irish music on Motown, but no one expects The Spanish Inquisition, either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robb_k View Post
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    I LOVE Marv Johnson's Tamla, Gordy and UA cuts. There were some great tracks behind him, too. What's wrong with "I Miss You Baby", "Just The Way You Are", "So Glad You Chose Me", "The Man Who Don't Believe In Love", "Come To Me", "I Love The Way You Love", "You Got What It Takes", "I'm Coming Home", "Magic Mirror", "All The Love I've Got", etc.???

    !
    People wonder why he didn't continue to have hit records. Simple: He couldn't sing. They mixed the backup singers louder than he was on his records to drown him out or cover his weaknesses. At Motown, he was overshadowed by so many other better male singers. Why him when there was Jimmy Ruffin and Edwin Starr?
    Listen to his take on Save My Love For A Rainy Day and then play Eddie Kendricks' version. It blows ol' Marv away.
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    It's funny - that triumvirate of 'shame' 'sign' and 'composer' seem to be often cited as the worst of the 60s Supremes singles [[along with 'run run run'), and I love all four of them. However...

    if I restrict my 'worsts' to the mainstream singles from the classic 60s period [[so no Ray Oddis or Tony Martin), I would go for one Supremes track - the mawkish 'someday we'll be together', along with Stevie's 'yester-me/you/day', and Marvin's 'Pretty Little Baby'.

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    Anything solo by young MJ [[see: Hello, World). He had some pitch issues and frequently sounds shrill to my ears [[seriously, his attempt to "cover" Edwin Starr, Jackie Wilson, Stevie Wonder, etc. is kind of painful...he didn't have the pipes or gravitas to pull it off at that point). However, I love his later post-Motown stuff when he'd "grown into" his voice.

    Ditto for a young Little Stevie Wonder and "Castles in the Sand": he was at the point where his voice was starting to break.

    What's up with the weird "Chipmunks"-esque chorus on Teena Marie's "It Must Be Magic?" And I never really got into Rick James.
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    [QUOTE=vcq;55724]Anything solo by young MJ [[see: Hello, World). He had some pitch issues and frequently sounds shrill to my ears [[seriously, his attempt to "cover" Edwin Starr, Jackie Wilson, Stevie Wonder, etc. is kind of painful...he didn't have the pipes or gravitas to pull it off at that point). /QUOTE]
    In case of the young MJ solo, I would agree, with some very notable exceptions, such as "AIn't No Sunshine When She's Gone." With most Bill Wither's songs, it is difficult to come even close to the original, but the then 13-year-old MJ sings his version with so much maturity and really showcases his raw talent that indeed came to full bloom is his later solo work [[particularly the Off The Wall album).
    On the topic of worst Motown song, the biggest mystery to me has always been Stevie Wonder's "I Just Called To Say I Love You." As many will agree, Wonder made some of the best and most innovative music, particularly in the 1970s, and then he did this song... and it became one of his most popular and best selling hit singles. To me, the song always sound like music that is performed in hotel lounges. But then, so many people love the song, so it must have something that I apparently don't recognize.

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    Initially I liked Shame but then listened to the lyrics--ugh; Never liked Do You Love Me; even Martha said about Live Wire[["enough is enough"); Touch Me in Morning bored me to death. Ask Any Man-lolol.

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    My vote goes to Gaylord & Holiday, "Eh Cumpari." So NOT Motown...it was so bad it even charted. Runner up, Jud Strunk "Biggest Parakeets In Town." Red Jones Motown lp was also dismal, and boring.

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    Sexxappeal - Giorgio
    Wild Animal [[entire album) - Vanity

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    Although I like the backing track the lyrics to 'I'm Living In Shame' must be some of the worst ever written! Home made jam indeed!

    DIANA ROSS AND THE SUPREMES - "I'm Living In Shame"


    Mama was cookin' bread
    She wore a dirty raggedy scarf around her head
    Always had her stockings low
    Rolled to her feet just didn't know
    She wore a sloppy dress
    Oh no matter how she tried she always looked a mess
    Out of the pot she ate
    Never used a fork or a dinner plate
    I was always so afraid that
    The uptown friends would see her
    Afraid one day when I was grown
    That I would be her
    In college town away from here
    A new identity I found
    That I was born elite
    With maids and servants at my feet
    I must have been insane
    I lied and said mama died on a weekend trip to Spain
    She never got out of the house
    Never even boarded a train
    Married a guy, was living high

    I didn't want him to know her
    she had a grandson two years old
    That I never even showed her
    I'm living in shame
    Mama, I miss you
    I know you're not to blame
    Mama, I miss you

    Got a telegram
    Mama passed away while making home made jam
    before she died she cried to see me by her side
    She always did her best
    Ah cooked and cleaned and always in the same old dress
    Working hard, down on her knees
    Always trying to please
    Mama, mama, mama can you hear me
    Mama, mama, mama can you hear me
    I'm living in shame
    Mama, I miss you
    I know you've done your best
    Mama, I miss you
    Won't you forgive me mama
    For all the wrong I've done
    I know you've done your best
    Oh I know you've done the very best you could
    Mama I thought you understood
    Working hard, down on your knees

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    Quote Originally Posted by copley View Post
    Although I like the backing track the lyrics to 'I'm Living In Shame' must be some of the worst ever written! Home made jam indeed!

    DIANA ROSS AND THE SUPREMES - "I'm Living In Shame"


    Mama was cookin' bread
    She wore a dirty raggedy scarf around her head
    Always had her stockings low
    Rolled to her feet just didn't know
    She wore a sloppy dress
    Oh no matter how she tried she always looked a mess
    Out of the pot she ate
    Never used a fork or a dinner plate
    I was always so afraid that
    The uptown friends would see her
    Afraid one day when I was grown
    That I would be her
    In college town away from here
    A new identity I found
    That I was born elite
    With maids and servants at my feet
    I must have been insane
    I lied and said mama died on a weekend trip to Spain
    She never got out of the house
    Never even boarded a train
    Married a guy, was living high

    I didn't want him to know her
    she had a grandson two years old
    That I never even showed her
    I'm living in shame
    Mama, I miss you
    I know you're not to blame
    Mama, I miss you

    Got a telegram
    Mama passed away while making home made jam
    before she died she cried to see me by her side
    She always did her best
    Ah cooked and cleaned and always in the same old dress
    Working hard, down on her knees
    Always trying to please
    Mama, mama, mama can you hear me
    Mama, mama, mama can you hear me
    I'm living in shame
    Mama, I miss you
    I know you've done your best
    Mama, I miss you
    Won't you forgive me mama
    For all the wrong I've done
    I know you've done your best
    Oh I know you've done the very best you could
    Mama I thought you understood
    Working hard, down on your knees
    YEP, I still love this song. It really is an underappreciated record. I understood the message and intent behind the song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossHolloway View Post
    YEP, I still love this song. It really is an underappreciated record. I understood the message and intent behind the song.
    You know, the Shangri-Las could have probably pulled off "Living in Shame" a few years before. It was right in line with their "3 minute melodramas" like "Leader of the Pack" and "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" [[which has a similar them to "Shame"). But even they would have had to change the arrangement...it's way too frenetic and also changes tempo too much for the song content and lyrics, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    You know, the Shangri-Las could have probably pulled off "Living in Shame" a few years before. It was right in line with their "3 minute melodramas" like "Leader of the Pack" and "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" [[which has a similar them to "Shame"). But even they would have had to change the arrangement...it's way too frenetic and also changes tempo too much for the song content and lyrics, in my opinion.
    I'm not sure that The Shangri Las, a group of white girls, could have convincingly sold a song about a Black woman who passes for white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark21 View Post
    I'm not sure that The Shangri Las, a group of white girls, could have convincingly sold a song about a Black woman who passes for white.
    It wasn't a song about a black woman who passes for white! It was about a black woman who "married up" being embarrassed of her poor past and not wanting it discovered.

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    I felt the same way about "Love Child," seriously depressing lyrics!

    "Started my life in an old, cold, rundown tenement slum
    My father left, he never even married Mom
    I shared the guilt my mama knew
    So afraid that others knew I had no name"

    "I started school in a worn, torn dress that somebody threw out [[Somebody threw out)
    I knew the way it felt to always live in doubt
    To be without the simple things
    So afraid my friends would see the guilt in me"

    Gee, well I feel better now!

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    "Last Time I Saw Him".... HIDEOUS..

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