Diana Ross thanks Mary, Flo and Cindy today

**mindful1** · 03-23-2023, 04:52 PM

in a wonderful post with a pic of the Grammy Award and music accompanying it: "Forever Came Today"

**mindful1** · 03-23-2023, 04:55 PM

https://twitter.com/DianaRoss/status...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

**DWSheffer** · 03-23-2023, 04:57 PM

VERY nice to see Ms. Ross acknowledge the others who helped make The Supremes the greatest girl group of all time.
Darin

**carlo** · 03-23-2023, 05:23 PM

I was glad to see her make this post. I wouldn't be surprised if the song choice in her post reflects her feelings about the honour itself [ie. long overdue].

**TNSUN** · 03-28-2023, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by carlo

I was glad to see her make this post. I wouldn't be surprised if the song choice in her post reflects her feelings about the honour itself [ie. long overdue].

I hope she releases a Christmas Album and is nominated again. Maybe, this time, the Grammy Voters will give Diana Ross her first competitive Grammy Award.

The Supremes should have received a competitive Grammy Award many, many, and many more years ago!

**Ollie9** · 03-23-2023, 06:14 PM

I’m guessing she was prompted to post this as why else would she have waited so long. It certainly comes across as an afterthought.
A representative at the actual event would have been a whole lot nicer but hey ho.

**reese** · 03-23-2023, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ollie9

I’m guessing she was prompted to post this as why else would she have waited so long. It certainly comes across as an afterthought.
A representative at the actual event would have been a whole lot nicer but hey ho.

It could also be that she literally just received the award since she didn't attend the ceremony.

**captainjames** · 03-23-2023, 06:29 PM

agreed I think she just received it and I am glad she acknowledge Cindy Birdsong as well. No one makes Diana do something so I am sure she felt it from her heart to do so. Nuff said.

**carlo** · 03-23-2023, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by reese

It could also be that she literally just received the award since she didn't attend the ceremony.

That was my thought as well, Reese...as the award seems to be surrounded by black protective foam in the photo, which led me to believe she may have just received the award very recently and was snapping a photo upon opening the box.

**Ollie9** · 03-23-2023, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by reese

It could also be that she literally just received the award since she didn't attend the ceremony.

That’s certainly another possibility reece though for me it still rings a little hollow. Just my opinion.

**jobeterob** · 03-23-2023, 06:41 PM

Makes me wonder if she just simply was sick, got her award now and said thank you to everyone

Are hardcore fans reading way too much into very little? Or is that a stupid question?

**DWSheffer** · 03-23-2023, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

Are hardcore fans reading way too much into very little? Or is that a stupid question?

What, on THIS forum, lol?!!

**Spreadinglove21** · 03-23-2023, 07:41 PM

Better late than never I suppose. At least she also included Cindy Birdsong in her thank you message.

**jobeterob** · 03-23-2023, 09:35 PM

Something else I’ve noticed is the Facebook comments for this post are in the hundreds and I did not see one negative one - a lot of comments about how we love you all, took way too long, thank you for letting Mary and Flo’s daughters have their moment to sign.

It kind of makes this forum sound like negative nellies.

That being said the positivity of this Forum has elevated into the stratosphere in the last couple years

**carlo** · 03-23-2023, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

Something else I’ve noticed is the Facebook comments for this post are in the hundreds and I did not see one negative one - a lot of comments about how we love you all, took way too long, thank you for letting Mary and Flo’s daughters have their moment to sign.

It kind of makes this forum sound like negative nellies.

That being said the positivity of this Forum has elevated into the stratosphere in the last couple years

If you scroll down to the Grammy post on the official Supremes Facebook page from a month ago, you'll see somewhat of a different story with the fan comments, versus the ones on Ms Ross' page.

**jobeterob** · 03-24-2023, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by carlo

If you scroll down to the Grammy post on the official Supremes Facebook page from a month ago, you'll see somewhat of a different story with the fan comments, versus the ones on Ms Ross' page.

Ah, that’s makes some sense.

I’ve often wondered if the acrimony isn’t part of the reason that recognition of the Supremes is delayed or missing.

On the other hand, the Beach Boys and Rolling Stones can also seem overlooked.

**Ollie9** · 03-24-2023, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by carlo

If you scroll down to the Grammy post on the official Supremes Facebook page from a month ago, you'll see somewhat of a different story with the fan comments, versus the ones on Ms Ross' page.

You beat me to it Carlo, We all have our own individual thoughts and opinions regarding the Grammy awards and Diana’s total lack of involvement. I don't t see why thinking she might have dealt with the situation a little better should be seen as being negative.
I guess to some Diana has to be seen as perfect in all things, being fine as long other opinions are respected.

**TheMotownManiac** · 04-08-2023, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ollie9

You beat me to it Carlo, We all have our own individual thoughts and opinions regarding the Grammy awards and Diana’s total lack of involvement. I don't t see why thinking she might have dealt with the situation a little better should be seen as being negative.
I guess to some Diana has to be seen as perfect in all things, being fine as long other opinions are respected.

dealt with it better…… For who’s betterment? You are behaving as if there is some sort of right or wrong here. You are suggesting that a certain number of diana ross fans think she has to be seen as perfect. Have you ever read what you write sometimes? you are actually suggesting that she chose for ever came today, not for what seems like the obvious reason being, it’s title, but as a jab in the side to Mary and Cindy, because they are not on the record. That is such a stretch, in my opinion, that it has given me and a few friends chuckles. And you could be right. Maybe she called Bryan and Eddie and wanted to make sure there was a song Mary and Cindy weren’t on so she could pick that one. so, if I perceive your thought process correctly, she might just as well have chosen Bah-Bah-Bah [[except Mary and Cindy are on that but let’s pretend they weren’t) then I predict you would have said, “notice the title of the song she chose sounds a lot like blah, blah, blah, like she’s so tired of hearing of the Supremes, that it’s all just noise to her. “
If you look hard enough, you can interpret anything anyway. And I don’t find your attitude any different except in reverse, of the attitudes of the fans you say feel she needs to be perfect. And I’m not criticizing you at all. I just think it’s funny. I think this whole topic is funny. I was just as disappointed as anybody, But I went back to my losing battle of volunteer work.

What if she hates The Supremes? What is she has nothing but terrible memories about being in the group? Why if she was traumatized by the year and she was so uptight she couldn’t eat? What if, by the time they recorded those DJ shows, she was already resenting sharing the spotlight? What if any of those things? How can anyone possibly be criticizing someone without knowing the circumstances? It’s like dissing the only house on the street without Christmas lights. There could be a lot of reasons that most people would find reasonable. But the ones that were angry at the Dark house, might assuming kinds of dastardly things, including maybe it was a non-Christian household! Or they didn’t have anybody to put them up. Or they didn’t have the money to buy them or to pay for the extra energy. My vote is on a non-bathing cult of woke Satanists.

are you more angry, or hurt, or is it something else? It’s almost 40 years since dream girl, you should be used to this stuff by now! I still enjoy your viewpoint very very much don’t get me wrong keep fighting the good fight!

**Ollie9** · 04-09-2023, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

dealt with it better…… For who’s betterment? You are behaving as if there is some sort of right or wrong here. You are suggesting that a certain number of diana ross fans think she has to be seen as perfect. Have you ever read what you write sometimes? you are actually suggesting that she chose for ever came today, not for what seems like the obvious reason being, it’s title, but as a jab in the side to Mary and Cindy, because they are not on the record. That is such a stretch, in my opinion, that it has given me and a few friends chuckles. And you could be right. Maybe she called Bryan and Eddie and wanted to make sure there was a song Mary and Cindy weren’t on so she could pick that one. so, if I perceive your thought process correctly, she might just as well have chosen Bah-Bah-Bah [[except Mary and Cindy are on that but let’s pretend they weren’t) then I predict you would have said, “notice the title of the song she chose sounds a lot like blah, blah, blah, like she’s so tired of hearing of the Supremes, that it’s all just noise to her. “
If you look hard enough, you can interpret anything anyway. And I don’t find your attitude any different except in reverse, of the attitudes of the fans you say feel she needs to be perfect. And I’m not criticizing you at all. I just think it’s funny. I think this whole topic is funny. I was just as disappointed as anybody, But I went back to my losing battle of volunteer work.

What if she hates The Supremes? What is she has nothing but terrible memories about being in the group? Why if she was traumatized by the year and she was so uptight she couldn’t eat? What if, by the time they recorded those DJ shows, she was already resenting sharing the spotlight? What if any of those things? How can anyone possibly be criticizing someone without knowing the circumstances? It’s like dissing the only house on the street without Christmas lights. There could be a lot of reasons that most people would find reasonable. But the ones that were angry at the Dark house, might assuming kinds of dastardly things, including maybe it was a non-Christian household! Or they didn’t have anybody to put them up. Or they didn’t have the money to buy them or to pay for the extra energy. My vote is on a non-bathing cult of woke Satanists.

are you more angry, or hurt, or is it something else? It’s almost 40 years since dream girl, you should be used to this stuff by now! I still enjoy your viewpoint very very much don’t get me wrong keep fighting the good fight!

I think you need to take a deep breath. Firstly, i am not behaving if there is a right or wrong, i am simply giving my opinion.
Do i think there are a number of fans who think she is perfect....Absolutely. That being fine as long as it’s realised we all have our own different viewpoints.
I think for whatever reasons Diana does distance herself from her Supremes years. I actually don’t believe she was behind posting “Forever Came Today” as i can’t imagine her devoting that much energy to the subject.
I’m not angry or hurt by her not sending a representative, more disappointed. Assuming of course that’s ok with you.
P.S I’m so very pleased my thoughts gave your mates a bit of a chuckle. Continue in that vein and my next post will be a lot less polite i can assure you.

**TNSUN** · 03-24-2023, 01:57 AM

The legacy of The Supremes in popular music remains in the continued airplay of their great songs.

**jim aka jtigre99** · 03-24-2023, 07:01 AM

The Supremes were quite long overdue for this Grammy Award. It was a nice post, I did like that Cindy Birdsong was acknowledged. I have my personal opinions on things but still it was a nice enough post.

**midnightman** · 03-27-2023, 09:50 AM

Some folks may still feel a certain type of way that she didn't show up with the other Lifetime Achievement Award recipients. We just don't know what transpired. She was quiet about it for a month or so and only acknowledges it now, with ironic timing [[her birthday was coming in a few days). So I get Ollie's original point.

**RanRan79** · 03-27-2023, 10:49 AM

What? No Barbara?

**REDHOT** · 03-28-2023, 06:47 AM

For me, it's a little too LATE smh.

**Boogiedown** · 03-28-2023, 01:32 PM

"Rhonda , what's this box with a Grammy trophy in it ? I thought you said my album lost?"

"It did Mom. But that's the one for being a Supreme".

" Oh sh*t. How many times do I have to tell you all, I was never a Supreme. I was Diana Ross AND The Supremes!!!!"

**Ollie9** · 03-29-2023, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Boogiedown

"Rhonda , what's this box with a Grammy trophy in it ? I thought you said my album lost?"

"It did Mom. But that's the one for being a Supreme".

" Oh sh*t. How many times do I have to tell you all, I was never a Supreme. I was Diana Ross AND The Supremes!!!!"

More then a little true methinks.

**Boogiedown** · 03-29-2023, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ollie9

More then a little true methinks.

I think that's always been her truth , but now in this stage of her thinking, she's hardwired it.

And leave it to Ross in her shout out to her girls getting their recognition, to choose as a song in tribute, one that includes none of them!!

. But does that even matter, has it ever mattered.... that's probably her truth too ....

**Ollie9** · 03-29-2023, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Boogiedown

I think that's always been her truth , but now in this stage of her thinking, she's hardwired it.

And leave it to Ross in her shout out to her girls getting their recognition, to choose as a song in tribute, one that includes none of them!!

. But does that even matter, has it ever mattered.... that's probably her truth too ....

I do find it rather ironic that when formally acknowledging an award aimed at three group members, Diana chooses a song where she is the only one featured. A rather perverse tribute i feel. Attitudes appear little changed with the passing of the years.

**milven** · 04-06-2023, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ollie9

I do find it rather ironic that when formally acknowledging an award aimed at three group members, Diana chooses a song where she is the only one featured. A rather perverse tribute i feel. Attitudes appear little changed with the passing of the years.

Not ironic at all. Perhaps it was a subliminal message to the academy that it seemed to be taking forever for them to recognize the achievements of the Supremes.

After sixty years, at last, FOREVER CAME TODAY

**TheMotownManiac** · 04-08-2023, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boogiedown

I think that's always been her truth , but now in this stage of her thinking, she's hardwired it.

And leave it to Ross in her shout out to her girls getting their recognition, to choose as a song in tribute, one that includes none of them!!

. But does that even matter, has it ever mattered.... that's probably her truth too ....

it didn’t matter to the public, why should it matter to her? In her world, at Motown, this kind of thing was done every day, and nobody paid any attention to it. And I don’t believe you know what her truth is anymore than I do. She was barely even in the studio with them. How is she supposed to know who’s on the record? Because of the DeSantis-style tantrums some folks threw when Andy and George mention the personnel on the single of stop! They swore they would never discuss that stuff again and now we don’t get that information anymore, it’s not the secret of life but, you know, it is information - sad that some people could not handle 50 years after the record came out. Don’t say Andante or there will be repercussions!

**Boogiedown** · 04-09-2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

it didn’t matter to the public, why should it matter to her? In her world, at Motown, this kind of thing was done every day, and nobody paid any attention to it. And I don’t believe you know what her truth is anymore than I do. She was barely even in the studio with them. How is she supposed to know who’s on the record? Because of the DeSantis-style tantrums some folks threw when Andy and George mention the personnel on the single of stop! They swore they would never discuss that stuff again and now we don’t get that information anymore, it’s not the secret of life but, you know, it is information - sad that some people could not handle 50 years after the record came out. Don’t say Andante or there will be repercussions!

Not interested in irrelevant political insertions when responding to a post of mine about Motown. Please don't.

Regarding what I know and don't know about her truths, that's why I used the word "probably". I'm expressing an opinion on a likelihood based on her history.

And Yes,
Diana Ross often didn't know and obviously didn't care who was singing as a Supreme on her records, so why would anyone think she'd know ...or care now??

**Boogiedown** · 04-09-2023, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

I didn’t use DeSantis as political commentary, I used his name because of the severe repercussions from someone speaking their mind. Less people will speak up now for fear of the same. 90 years ago in Germany, oops ignore that!

But I don’t understand some thing, how is it obvious that she didn’t care who is singing on her records? If you think about it, how many times did mary wilson speak of the use of other singers on 70s supremes records…… Except Jimmy Webb.? what is there to say? I agree with you, I don’t think that she knows and I don’t think that she cares, and I don’t think that she cared back then but, to that point, what would she have to do to prove that she did know or care? I mean I don’t recall Martha Reeves or Gladys ever talking about who was on their records. It’s just usually not something it’s talked about.
What record do you think might have been a better choice, given the situation, that featured all three original voices? I can only come up with a Happening, but I think forever came today is so appropriate.

I think you're being disingenuous [sorry] when you say you weren't being political, bringing in DeSantis name was really a stretch within the conversation.

Already I can't follow your defense because it reads as though you're saying people shouldn't speak their minds because of the severe repercussions....therefore we should just shut up [?] ...which I find hard to believe that is what you are saying. And since we're down that road ... Trump and tantrums, yes ....although the poor guy was certainly provoked and prodded enough to where who could blame him, but Desantis is cool as a cucumber and expresses his positions smoothly, so yes using the word tantrum is a weighted one with a political agenda with the attempt to skew perception ...
Maybe you could have used instead an example where Diana Ross had a tantrum ...if tantrums are your point .... and thereby stayed within the Motown lane.

I guess if she had cared about her fellow Supremes, she would have had the moral fortitude to stand up for them, "Hell no, I'm not singing on any records that don't include them. The fans are buying records by the Supremes and that's exactly what they should be getting. I refuse to be a part of this charade , and if they aren't on them, I'm not either."
To not do that, for me, proves she didn't care.

I believe had there been an attempt for other guys to replace The Pips on even one of their records, Gladys would've, with every beat of her heart, made it very clear that was not gonna happen.

FOREVER CAME TODAY is a clever choice, a reflection of the Grammy recognition taking forever to come about, but it also rings phony, implying that Diana was reacting with an "at last" as though a lifetime dream of hers had come finally come true.

"Who's this award for?? Cindy, Flo, Jean , The Andantes, me, Mary? and the rest? ? ....oh who cares, ... Where's Rhonda ?? ... time for tea! "

**thanxal** · 03-29-2023, 08:25 AM

Very glad to see this.

**captainjames** · 04-06-2023, 07:58 PM

No I don't ...shoot half the time was in the studio by herself recording herself. She may have never known the backgrounds after the early sixties. "Reflections of What Life Use to Be." I truly get it.

**soren1974** · 04-07-2023, 06:05 AM

I too doubt that Diana was trying to have a dig at Mary & Flo, or that she even remembers if they were on that particular song 55 years - and several hundred recordings - after it was recorded. It was more about a message in the title, just like Someday We'll Be Together was chosen for Motown 25.

**floyjoy678** · 04-07-2023, 06:24 AM

Lol I would think Diana knows Mary and Flo's voices well enough to know if they're on a recording or not. She probably knows their singing voices better than any of us.

**Ollie9** · 04-07-2023, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by floyjoy678

Lol I would think Diana knows Mary and Flo's voices well enough to know if they're on a recording or not. She probably knows their singing voices better than any of us.

I should think that very likely floy. Once again it was a thoughtless gesture from Diana, and a finger up to the daughters of Mary and Flo who could be bothered to ensure their respective mothers were represented by a family member.

**BayouMotownMan** · 04-07-2023, 10:26 AM

I'm not usually this critical, but this is so lame of Diana Ross. After widespread criticism of not being there or at least sending someone in her place [[as she usually does), to post this as an after-thought is in my opinion offensive to the family of Flo and Mary and especially the fans. Once again, we are to believe the Supremes never existed.

It would have been less offensive if she simply had kept quiet.

**Boogiedown** · 04-07-2023, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by BayouMotownMan

I'm not usually this critical, but this is so lame of Diana Ross. After widespread criticism of not being there or at least sending someone in her place [[as she usually does), to post this as an after-thought is in my opinion offensive to the family of Flo and Mary and especially the fans. Once again, we are to believe the Supremes never existed.

It would have been less offensive if she simply had kept quiet.

You didn’t get choked up reading that deeply felt acknowledgement someone on her team whipped out ??

**Spreadinglove21** · 04-07-2023, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by BayouMotownMan

I'm not usually this critical, but this is so lame of Diana Ross. After widespread criticism of not being there or at least sending someone in her place [[as she usually does), to post this as an after-thought is in my opinion offensive to the family of Flo and Mary and especially the fans. Once again, we are to believe the Supremes never existed.

It would have been less offensive if she simply had kept quiet.

The cynical part of me thinks she and her team posted it because the upcoming tour is emphasizing that it's a hits tour so they posted it to help lay the groundwork to promote the tour. If that's the strategy then she should have shown up to accept the grammy honor as it would have garnered more attention for the hits tour.

**Boogiedown** · 04-07-2023, 10:29 AM

Do I think Diana chose a song intentionally omitting her fellow supremes ? No
do I think she could care less if she did ?? Hmmm

**jobeterob** · 04-07-2023, 02:22 PM

Way way way too much parsing of a basic act

I can’t help but see what this would have been like if she herself had shown up; she and a couple of “also rans” that no one would have known, hurt feelings, and more parsing.

Someone way early said damned if you do, damned if you don’t - but also don’t overthink and parse so thoroughly

**RanRan79** · 04-07-2023, 04:22 PM

I made my thoughts and feelings on Diana's attitude toward the Supremes pretty clear in a couple threads when this mess first went down, so I won't rehash it here. However, I will say I doubt choosing "Forever Came Today" was anything other than Diana's way of saying exactly what the title of the song says. Whether she genuinely gave a crap about the award or not, I can imagine her saying to herself "Which Supremes song might best describe this moment" and going with "Forever Came Today".

She was never going to choose a song she herself didn't sing on, so she wouldn't have reached into the 70s Supremes for a choice. [[Not that she's familiar with any of their songs anyway. The story goes that someone once mentioned "Up the Ladder To the Roof" and Diana started climbing a ladder to the roof, thinking she had been given some kind of command.)

She nearly chose a song from her solo career but someone screamed "Miss Ross!" or "Diana!" or "Diane!" or "Aunt Diane!" or "Grandma Di!" or "Mommy!"..."Are you crazy! You can't choose one of your solo career songs for a Supremes tribute!"

So what does that leave her? Okay, she could have been petty and gave the academy the finger with "Send Me No Flowers". Or maybe she could have gone with "You Can't Hurry Love" as if to say you can't hurry the honor that the group has recently received, but that title isn't really an "in your face" sentiment regarding the award. So why not "Forever Came Today", which says it all? Sure, there's no Mary. No Cindy either, but she wasn't awarded even though Diana shouted her out here. Also no Flo. But it was released under some form of the Supremes name. Any royalties incurred, Mary cashed the check and she sang the song on television. Andantes or not, Mary would probably gladly take the credit.

The fact that Diana posted "Forever Came Today" for anything is alright in my book. It's a bit of acknowledgement of a great song in her catalog. It beats "I Will Survive" which Diana never seems to tire of.

**vgalindo** · 04-07-2023, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by RanRan79

I made my thoughts and feelings on Diana's attitude toward the Supremes pretty clear in a couple threads when this mess first went down, so I won't rehash it here. However, I will say I doubt choosing "Forever Came Today" was anything other than Diana's way of saying exactly what the title of the song says. Whether she genuinely gave a crap about the award or not, I can imagine her saying to herself "Which Supremes song might best describe this moment" and going with "Forever Came Today".

She was never going to choose a song she herself didn't sing on, so she wouldn't have reached into the 70s Supremes for a choice. [[Not that she's familiar with any of their songs anyway. The story goes that someone once mentioned "Up the Ladder To the Roof" and Diana started climbing a ladder to the roof, thinking she had been given some kind of command.)

She nearly chose a song from her solo career but someone screamed "Miss Ross!" or "Diana!" or "Diane!" or "Aunt Diane!" or "Grandma Di!" or "Mommy!"..."Are you crazy! You can't choose one of your solo career songs for a Supremes tribute!"

So what does that leave her? Okay, she could have been petty and gave the academy the finger with "Send Me No Flowers". Or maybe she could have gone with "You Can't Hurry Love" as if to say you can't hurry the honor that the group has recently received, but that title isn't really an "in your face" sentiment regarding the award. So why not "Forever Came Today", which says it all? Sure, there's no Mary. No Cindy either, but she wasn't awarded even though Diana shouted her out here. Also no Flo. But it was released under some form of the Supremes name. Any royalties incurred, Mary cashed the check and she sang the song on television. Andantes or not, Mary would probably gladly take the credit.

The fact that Diana posted "Forever Came Today" for anything is alright in my book. It's a bit of acknowledgement of a great song in her catalog. It beats "I Will Survive" which Diana never seems to tire of.

RanRan perfectly said! I agree with everything you said.

**lucky2012** · 04-07-2023, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by RanRan79

I made my thoughts and feelings on Diana's attitude toward the Supremes pretty clear in a couple threads when this mess first went down, so I won't rehash it here. However, I will say I doubt choosing "Forever Came Today" was anything other than Diana's way of saying exactly what the title of the song says. Whether she genuinely gave a crap about the award or not, I can imagine her saying to herself "Which Supremes song might best describe this moment" and going with "Forever Came Today".
.....
It's a bit of acknowledgement of a great song in her catalog. It beats "I Will Survive" which Diana never seems to tire of.

Totally agree, RanRan. I wouldn't doubt if this choice was Diana's way of saying "Just sayin!.." to the Grammy board.

And it really is a great song [albeit a minor hit] in her and the Supremes catalog.

**Spreadinglove21** · 04-07-2023, 07:09 PM

I bet she had one of her children or grandchildren or an employee pick a Supremes song to go along with the social media post. Forever Came Today is a fitting choice given the occasion and a nice change from choosing an iconic Supremes hit like Stop or Baby Love which would have been lazy choices. I'm sure whoever picked it had no idea who was singing on the recording besides Diana Ross and probably unaware of the Andantes controversy.

If Diana had shown up at the ceremony to accept the award with Mary and Flo's daughters there wouldn't have been controversy. The daughters aren't in the entertainment business. Only way Diana Ross could have gotten bad commentary if she had been rude to them or pushed them or put her hands over their faces or talk dirt about their mothers [[or not mentioning them at all and just going on about herself and her children) while making her acceptance speech.

**sup_fan** · 04-07-2023, 07:36 PM

there are so many memories of both her time in the Sups and as a soloist that she has 0 recollection of [[according to those that have been close to her and shared this). Blue has repeatedly said that she had limited memory of albums and projects. probably some of this is because it occurred decades ago. I've been in my line of work for 30 years and hell, if i had to try and recall minute details of projects [[even projects i really really enjoyed) i'd struggle. this was her work, not her hyper-insane passion like it is for me! lolol

I think it's VERY safe to say that she has NOT constructed an excel file of her itinerary through the years, nor has she spent days upon days sorting through pdf versions of Billboard tracing the entire chart history of all sups releases [[both with and without diana and for all singles and lps) plus diana's solo materials through 81. nor has she spent time researching competing motown act data to get a better understanding of what might have been going on [[like how many J5 and Stevie releases were unfortunately timed at the same time as many 70s sups releases).

I know that I have never bothered to research my own career to this level of insane detail. so why should she? it's her CAREER not her hobby

so would she necessarily know that FMC are not on Forever? or which songs used the Andantes? in the lined notes to one of the booklets, even Frank Wilson didn't realize M and C weren't on LC. he says "i thought we had the As and the girls on there but if we didn't its because we were on a bullet train."

clearly whomever picked the phrase "Forever Came Today" was doing so because of the wistful nature of the words and how they ring true to the situation of the group being so delayed in such a recognition. sure something like I Hear A Symphony might have worked - although supposedly Louvain [[i think) joined M and F on that recording so would that have still been appropriate?

**jobeterob** · 04-07-2023, 09:23 PM

Now there’s Andantes on I Hear A Symphony? That’s new at least to me

**floyjoy678** · 04-07-2023, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

Now there’s Andantes on I Hear A Symphony? That’s new at least to me

There's quite a few songs where an Andante are singing WITH Mary and Florence. Run, Run, Run and Lovelight. And I have a feeling it's the same case with Stop! I don't think all the Andantes are on that one.

**jobeterob** · 04-07-2023, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by floyjoy678

There's quite a few songs where an Andante are singing WITH Mary and Florence. Run, Run, Run and Lovelight. And I have a feeling it's the same case with Stop! I don't think all the Andantes are on that one.

Well I’d heard of Stop and Run Run Run; maybe I’d heard of or thought Lovelight made sense; but never Symphony. Would be worth taking a listen in a quiet room.

I think that l started to like the Supremes when I heard those three voices, especially Diana singing against Florence