lost or missed singles

[daviddh]

what songs do you think are lost , missed gems of Dianas career

if i were BG or...
Supremes ,Going Down For the Third Time

Chains of Love
Ill Set you Free

Diana solo

These Things Keep Me Loving You
If You see Him
all Of my Life
After You
Come in From The Rain
No One Gets The Prize
Give Up
Crimes Of Passion
Hard for Me To Say
All Night Lover

[marybrewster]

"It's All Been Said Before" by MSC.

[daviddesper]

Definitely would agree about Going Down for the Third Time....one of their all-time great songs.

[sup_fan]

Definitely would agree about Going Down for the Third Time....one of their all-time great songs.

it's an excellent song. but my thought is that it was one of MANY excellent songs all released at the same time. Going Down is wonderful but IMO i doesn't compare to the A sides that were released between You Can't Hurry Love and Reflections. sure it's a stronger song than In And Out but by late 67, Going Down might not have been as innovative. after the prior singles, Going Down might not have been cutting edge enough

[jobucats]

it's an excellent song. but my thought is that it was one of MANY excellent songs all released at the same time. Going Down is wonderful but IMO i doesn't compare to the A sides that were released between You Can't Hurry Love and Reflections. sure it's a stronger song than In And Out but by late 67, Going Down might not have been as innovative. after the prior singles, Going Down might not have been cutting edge enough

I agree about "Going Down" being a wonderful song; however, for it to have been a hit contender, IMO, it would have needed to remastered or even re-recorded with a more Snake Pit instrumentalist vibe. To me, the instrumentation/mix was not gritty enough...too sterile sounding. I've often speculated that it sounds like the West Coast musicians with maybe Jamerson being dubbed in. Although it was nice to hear the stereo version with the extra 'Save me, save me' lines added, I felt those extra backing vocals took away from the distressed pleading 'Saaave me' we heard on the mono version.

[WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance]

I agree about "Going Down" being a wonderful song; however, for it to have been a hit contender, IMO, it would have needed to remastered or even re-recorded with a more Snake Pit instrumentalist vibe. To me, the instrumentation/mix was not gritty enough...too sterile sounding. I've often speculated that it sounds like the West Coast musicians with maybe Jamerson being dubbed in. Although it was nice to hear the stereo version with the extra 'Save me, save me' lines added, I felt those extra backing vocals took away from the distressed pleading 'Saaave me' we heard on the mono version.

No. This was a Detroit recording 100%. The "ringing"/glistening tones of the guitar track in no way could have come out of LA. Also, there's a certain sound Motown had that came from the guitar chords being doubled by the vibraphone [[it's even more noticeable with the new mix on the Extended CD) and the LA players didn't have this arranging technique. You can also hear Motown's "trinity" of guitarists here with one playing the melody line along with the bass, piano and vibes, while the other two play the supporting chords. The drums don't have the "dead" tone quality of LA recordings, whereas Motown's Detroit recordings have a crisper bite to them. The horns DEFINITELY aren't LA. The mix might sound a little flat but these are the Funk Brothers all the way. I've spent a lifetime studying the Funk Brothers playing styles and Motown's studio mixing/sonic styles and it gets to where you can tell the difference between the LA stuff and the Detroit stuff.

[jobucats]

No. This was a Detroit recording 100%. The "ringing"/glistening tones of the guitar track in no way could have come out of LA. Also, there's a certain sound Motown had that came from the guitar chords being doubled by the vibraphone [[it's even more noticeable with the new mix on the Extended CD) and the LA players didn't have this arranging technique. You can also hear Motown's "trinity" of guitarists here with one playing the melody line along with the bass, piano and vibes, while the other two play the supporting chords. The drums don't have the "dead" tone quality of LA recordings, whereas Motown's Detroit recordings have a crisper bite to them. The horns DEFINITELY aren't LA. The mix might sound a little flat but these are the Funk Brothers all the way. I've spent a lifetime studying the Funk Brothers playing styles and Motown's studio mixing/sonic styles and it gets to where you can tell the difference between the LA stuff and the Detroit stuff.

Thanks for your opinion and your detailed observations. I, too, am not a novice to analyzing mixing/sonic styles, and while you make very excellent points, I'm still not convinced that this is a 100% Detroit production. All in all, this excellent recording deserves some compression on the instrument tracks to give it more 'umph' to become single ready.

[Ollie9]

what songs do you think are lost , missed gems of Dianas career

if i were BG or...
Supremes ,Going Down For the Third Time

Chains of Love
Ill Set you Free

Diana solo

These Things Keep Me Loving You
If You see Him
all Of my Life
After You
Come in From The Rain
No One Gets The Prize
Give Up
Crimes Of Passion
Hard for Me To Say
All Night Lover

“All Of My Life” was a top ten hit in the UK. Terrific song and vocal performance from M’s Ross. Never understood why it was exclusive to Britannia.

[BayouMotownMan]

Tons of missed singles, the obvious ones are

Ask Any Girl
He's All I Got
Then We Can Try Again
Together We Can Make Such Sweet Music
You're What's Missing In My Life

[Motown Eddie]

"Mother Dear"
"Don't Let True Love Die"
And "Everything Is Good About You" should've followed "I Hear A Symphony" as an A-side.

[sup_fan]

Missed opportunities:

Together we can make such sweet music
Why Must We Fall In Love [[with the temps)
I'm Glad About it [[with the Tops)
Loving Country
5:30 Plane

Sweet Surrender [[from WDFFIL lp)
No One Gets the Prize
Dark Side of the World
All of my life
Just Say [[from Marvin album)
You were the one

Evening Train
This old heart of mine

[Ollie9]

Long list, but standouts are....
Supremes.
Ask Any Girl
The Only Time I’m Happy
Evening Train
I’ll Set You Free
You Gave Me Love.

Diana Ross
These Things Will Keep Me Loving You
Close To You
And If You See Him
Wont Last A Day
Just Say Just Say
Give Up
Stay With Me
You Do It
SHINE
Until We Meet Again [[remix)
Carry On
In Your Heart.

[luke]

Going Down for the third time definitely
Together we can make such sweet music.
Time to Break Down

[daviddh]

totally forgot about Just Say w Marvin
just listening now as I type this, what a gem
how was this overlooked

[sup_fan]

totally forgot about Just Say w Marvin
just listening now as I type this, what a gem
how was this overlooked

on the Diana Ross Project, the author/reviewer sorts of calls this track out as being one of the duds. or at least that it sounds quite unfinished and that the vocals seem more like they're just doing a demo rather than investing their all in the song.

usually i'm right inline with this guy's comments but i don't agree on this one. i think it's wonderful

[Ollie9]

on the Diana Ross Project, the author/reviewer sorts of calls this track out as being one of the duds. or at least that it sounds quite unfinished and that the vocals seem more like they're just doing a demo rather than investing their all in the song.

usually i'm right inline with this guy's comments but i don't agree on this one. i think it's wonderful

I also disagree with the DRP comments. It’s a beautifully poignant song, that would most likely have done very well as a single.
I consider Diana to be the more prominent vocalist on the song, with Marvin holding back a ‘tad to compliment Diana’s wistful vocals.
Along with the immaculate “You Are ”Everything” it’s most probably my favourite track from the “D&M” album.

[sup_fan]

I also disagree with the DRP comments. It’s a beautifully poignant song, that would most likely have done very well as a single.
I consider Diana to be the more prominent vocalist on the song, with Marvin holding back a ‘tad to compliment Diana’s wistful vocals.
Along with the immaculate “You Are ”Everything” it’s most probably my favorite track from the “D&M” album.

i agree. much of the album is lackluster IMO. most definitely NOT up to the level or standard of what a TRUE D &M duet album could have been. this should have been an amazing moment for the two and delivered timeless music that actually stood the test of time. and should have had a song or two that topped the charts

you are everything is a great one

and i like Special Part of Me. it's not perfection but i think it's really good

Just Say is stunning

[daviddh]

supremes 70s
lovin country
together we can make such sweet music
its all been said before
sha la bandit
sweet dream machine
bend a little

[rovereab]

Looking at the posts above, we were fortunate to have All Of My Life and Why [[Must We Fall In Love) released as singles in the UK. They are very strong songs and performances.

I add the following:

Supremes era:

Going Down For The Third Time
There's No Stopping Us Now
I'm Gonna Make It [[I Will Wait For you)

Diana Ross solo era:

My Place
Baby It's Love
Give Up
Carry On
Dark Side Of The World but as a duet with Marvin Gaye

[Sotosound]

"There's No Stopping Us Now" is good, but some of the lyrics in the verses are a poor fit to the melody, and it needs a better sax break where none of the notes are fluffed.

[Sotosound]

This is definitely a lesson for me about how humour doesn't always come across properly on the web.

Without seeing facial cues and body language, and without hearing the speaker's voice it's often very hard to tell whether someone is being serious or humorous.

It wasn't even possible for people to see me flouncing off in a huff. [[Probably just as well. )

Sorry Brad.

PS Just listening to side one of "I Had A Love" by Ben E. King. Lovely stuff! Killer title track.

[bradburger]

WWLFAC is bang is correct about GDFTTT- Detroit recording 100%!

The drummer on 'Going Down for the Third Time' was Pistol. He was also on 'It's the Same Old Song', 'I'll Guess I'll Always Love You', 'Heatwave', & 'I'll Turn to Stone' [all on 'The Supremes Sing HDH'].

For comparison, 'There's No Stopping Us Now' and Mother You Smother' was Benny.

[To those that have the 'Sing HDH' Expanded Edition, Pistol is the drummer on the extended alternate take of 'You Keep Me Hanging On' whilst Benny is on the hit version.]

Cheers

Paul

P.S. WWLFAC you have a PM!

[Sotosound]

WWLFAC is bang is correct about GDFTTT- Detroit recording 100%!

The drummer on 'Going Down for the Third Time' was Pistol. He was also on 'It's the Same Old Song', 'I'll Guess I'll Always Love You', 'Heatwave', & 'I'll Turn to Stone' [all on 'The Supremes Sing HDH'].

For comparison, 'There's No Stopping Us Now' and Mother You Smother' was Benny.

[To those that have the 'Sing HDH' Expanded Edition, Pistol is the drummer on the extended alternate take of 'You Keep Me Hanging On' whilst Benny is on the hit version.]

Cheers

Paul

P.S. WWLFAC you have a PM!

Many thanks for this info.

[Stax_of_Motown]

Diana and the Supremes:

The Composer
Evening Train

Diana:

Wish I Knew - Not the released version but the unreleased "Lost and Found" one which was supposed to be a Supremes track but being unfinished ended as being a Diana solo.
I'm not generally a fan of Diana's solo work but I think this sounds fantastic.

[Spreadinglove21]

Diana and the Supremes:

The Composer
Evening Train

Diana:

Wish I Knew - Not the released version but the unreleased "Lost and Found" one which was supposed to be a Supremes track but being unfinished ended as being a Diana solo.
I'm not generally a fan of Diana's solo work but I think this sounds fantastic.

The Composer was a single

[Ollie9]

The Composer was a single

I’ve never believed that rumour.

[rovereab]

I’ve never believed that rumour.

I wonder if they sped up the single version of The Composer to get it over and done with quickly?

[Ollie9]

I wonder if they sped up the single version of The Composer to get it over and done with quickly?

They should have gone all the way and made it a bombastic dance number lol. Anything to add some excitement. Is this the only Supremes single that was ever to be sped up i wonder?.

[RanRan79]

Supremes- "Any Girl In Love", "I Wish I Were Your Mirror"

Diana Ross- "I Heard a Love Song"

Flo Ballard- "Forever Faithful"

Mary Wilson- "Pick Up the Pieces"