Any thoughts on the annual Grammy puke fest?

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 06:40 AM

Nina and I threw in the towel before the first hour was up.

**sansradio** · 04-04-2022, 06:43 AM

Actually, that was the most enjoyable Grammys telecast in years for me! So glad Jazmine Sullivan finally got some long overdue Grammy love; she’s the truth. Trevor was a great host, as always. The tribute to Ukraine with John Legend and President Zelenskyy was powerful. Great to see Joni in the house on her feet and speaking; she’s my heart. And Anderson .Paak in that Ike Turner unit was goals!

9A · 04-04-2022, 07:19 AM

Trevor Noah -- meh! He's a nice guy. Cute. Hard working. Doesn't strike me.
How did he get "The Daily Show" gig? I understand he's from South Africa and
a good guy, but doesn't entertain me.

[PS - We intend to watch the remainder of the "Grammy" recording today, right
after we do "Wordle" and eat our porridge.]

9A · 04-04-2022, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by ralpht

Nina and I threw in the towel before the first hour was up.

We went back to watching "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "Golden Girls."

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 07:37 AM

That's why mainstream media has been trumpeting [[the death of the awards show]] for some time now. We're finally catching up to them. Doh!

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 08:15 AM

Even in the 60s and 70s when, in my opinion, the music business was at the top of its game, the Grammys could be , at times tedious. But for the most part the talent was very good and worthy of just being there. Am I an old fogy? Maybe. When I see acts that have nearly questionable vocal abilities and "songs" with little or no structure, being dished by a group that resembles an aerobics class, I'm tuning out. I'm sure I missed a couple of worthy moments such as, Lady Gaga, Joni Mitchell and the Country acts but it was simply too difficult for me to watch that show. Today, Nina and I will probably scan the recording to salvage what little I think of this annual trash heap.

**reese** · 04-04-2022, 08:47 AM

There were quite a few good moments. SilkSonic, Chris Stapleton, Brenda Carlile, John Legend, Jon Batiste, etc. I thought it was a well-produced show. I could have done without the 3 and 1/2 hour running time, but otherwise, it entertained me.

9A · 04-04-2022, 08:48 AM

And what's with all the crotch grabbing? Please explain?

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 08:57 AM

Yeah....explain. Can you imagine the Beatles or even Sinatra take a grab while singing? When Presley first hit the scene, he could only be televised from the waist up because of his "suggestive wiggle". I can only wonder what comes next.

**daviddesper** · 04-04-2022, 10:13 AM

I have passed on the Grammys for at least the last 20 years because of how drastically music has changed, so I am with Ralph on this one. I am sure I am guilty of putting all artists of today in to the same category, but it seems to me that these days, to sell records, it is first of all about coming up with some bizarre name. What the hell is a Doja Cat or a Dua Lipa anyway?

Then you have to have some sort of image or you have to dress like a tramp or look like you raided a dumpster. Then of course you have to engage in SOME sort of weird behavior so as to keep your name in the spotlight........you know a messy affair or a drug charge or a feud with another artist.......just anything that will keep your name in the headlines.

So after all of that, the issue of whether or not you actually have any TALENT comes pretty far down the list. I can actually see some of today's wannabes showing up at a studio one day, being escorted in, and hearing the producer say "Let's hear what you've got" only to be met with "Oh gosh you mean I actually have to sing to make a record?"

I am exaggerating of course, and my thoughts [[much like Ralph's I am sure) are a reflection of age and nostalgia for the good old days. But I really do wonder what popular music will be like in another 20 years.........

**Boogiedown** · 04-04-2022, 10:18 AM

It must've been on at the same time as the 90 Day Fiance reunion show?

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 10:23 AM

Well put, David

Boog...you didn't miss a thing.

**milven** · 04-04-2022, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ralpht

Even in the 60s and 70s when, in my opinion, the music business was at the top of its game, the Grammys could be , at times tedious. But for the most part the talent was very good and worthy of just being there. Am I an old fogy? Maybe. When I see acts that have nearly questionable vocal abilities and "songs" with little or no structure, being dished by a group that resembles an aerobics class, I'm tuning out. I'm sure I missed a couple of worthy moments such as, Lady Gaga, Joni Mitchell and the Country acts but it was simply too difficult for me to watch that show. Today, Nina and I will probably scan the recording to salvage what little I think of this annual trash heap.

i guess it is a generational thing. I am a child of the fifties and when rock and roll emerged. the older generation said it was loud, not understandable and not music. Today, that loud music is called easy listening. And I now turned into my parents and call this music not understandable.

I recorded the awards show, and started watching it about 1030 pm at fast forward and stopped at the few things that interested me.

I love music and even attended some of the Grammy Shows when they were in NYC, but I just cant get into the current music and havent been able to for years. But I wont knock it. It is the "music" of the younger generation and they love it as much as I loved mine

Like David, I'll stick to the music of my generation
"Old Fogey Milven

"

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 11:04 AM

So true, Mil. But our early Rock and Roll of the 50s would grow and evolve into a credible art form. I had hoped that the next generation would have taken that and brought it to a higher level. I don't see that happening.

**Boogiedown** · 04-04-2022, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by ralpht

Well put, David

Boog...you didn't miss a thing.

Well 90 DAYS was well worth the watch. I'm looking forward to Part II.

I firmly believe music has exhausted itself ...there's nowhere for it to go .

**Motown Eddie** · 04-04-2022, 11:48 AM

While I Don't watch The Grammy's, I was glad to find out that Questlove won a Grammy for his Summer Of Soul documentary [and that's his 2nd win for the film after getting The Oscar for it last week]. Also glad that Joni Mitchell was on the show [and took home an award for her Archives, Vol 1 box set].

**paladin** · 04-04-2022, 12:02 PM

The _____ Awards Shows have lost all of their luster and the music in and of itself is really only suited for supermarkets or drug stores which allows you to concentrate on spending your money wisely because you don't have to pay it any attention. There are only a few artists who even move the interest meter a little bit. I was switching back and forth from the Women's NCCA championship which was exceptional. These shows tend to give awards to artists who are quirky and limited in talent so there was really nothing to miss........shows like this used to be must see TV, not any more, you can catch up on the news or the morning paper....

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 12:31 PM

Since I'm airing out my beefs....Why would a guy call himself Questlove?

**sansradio** · 04-04-2022, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by ralpht

Since I'm airing out my beefs....Why would a guy call himself Questlove?

He's a major devotee of the legendary hip hop group A Tribe Called Quest.

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 01:48 PM

Hmmmmmm...in a way, I find that more disturbing, Sans.

**sansradio** · 04-04-2022, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by ralpht

Hmmmmmm...in a way, I find that more disturbing, Sans.

LOL. Well, it's deeper than just his fandom. The name also represents his mission as an artist; he's on a quest for universal love, you might say.

**ralpht** · 04-04-2022, 03:07 PM

That might have flown in the 60s.........

**carlo** · 04-04-2022, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by reese

There were quite a few good moments. SilkSonic, Chris Stapleton, Brenda Carlile, John Legend, Jon Batiste, etc. I thought it was a well-produced show. I could have done without the 3 and 1/2 hour running time, but otherwise, it entertained me.

I agree with you, Reese. I also enjoyed Lady Gaga and the musical in memoriam segment, with Cynthia Ervio, Ben Platt, Rachel Zegler and Leslie Odom Jr., who performed a tribute to Sondheim.

I didn't care for some of the newer artists who performed. I don't really get their appeal. There's not a lot of substance there, which sadly has been the case for a couple of decades now. It seems there's a huge focus on the visuals in their performances. Many of the visuals in their performances often seem to exude 'dark' themes. So much of it seems to be tied into club culture...dark ambiance, over the top light effects, risque manner of dress, etc., with very lifeless and loud beats. It's equally entertaining to see the huge teams of songwriters that are enlisted to write some of these nominated songs. For instance, I noticed one of Justin Bieber's songs was nominated and it listed a team of 12 writers. It's sad that so much manpower is needed these days to craft a song that in my opinion, can't even come close to a classic hit song, written by one or two writers, from 50 years ago. I also don't understand the huge appeal of Billie Eilish. I think she's a good singer, but I don't think she's an incredible artist or vocalist, to warrant the constant awards, attention and sales that she's been getting. But good for her lol.

**reese** · 04-04-2022, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by carlo

I agree with you, Reese. I also enjoyed Lady Gaga and the musical in memoriam segment, with Cynthia Ervio, Ben Platt, Rachel Zegler and Leslie Odom Jr., who performed a tribute to Sondheim...
...For instance, I noticed one of Justin Bieber's songs was nominated and it listed a team of 12 writers. It's sad that so much manpower is needed these days to craft a song that in my opinion, can't even come close to a classic hit song, written by one or two writers, from 50 years ago. I also don't understand the huge appeal of Billie Eilish. I think she's a good singer, but I don't think she's an incredible artist or vocalist, to warrant the constant awards, attention and sales that she's been getting. But good for her lol.

I forgot about the tribute to Sondheim / In Memoriam segment. That was one of my favorite performances as well.

Re Bieber, I actually liked that song PEACHES. Last night was my first time hearing it but it was rather distracting to have it bleeped every time he sang the chorus. I still have no idea what he was singing.

And yeah, I don't get Billie Eilish either.

**PeaceNHarmony** · 04-04-2022, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Motown Eddie

While I Don't watch The Grammy's, I was glad to find out that Questlove won a Grammy for his Summer Of Soul documentary [and that's his 2nd win for the film after getting The Oscar for it last week]. Also glad that Joni Mitchell was on the show [and took home an award for her Archives, Vol 1 box set].

I can second that all around. I stopped watching years ago, a combo of 'who?' and 'does every female performer have to enact soft-core porn?'

**PeaceNHarmony** · 04-04-2022, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by reese

I forgot about the tribute to Sondheim / In Memoriam segment. That was one of my favorite performances as well.

Re Bieber, I actually liked that song PEACHES. Last night was my first time hearing it but it was rather distracting to have it bleeped every time he sang the chorus. I still have no idea what he was singing.

And yeah, I don't get Billie Eilish either.

I really like Billie Eilish -

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by 9A

And what's with all the crotch grabbing? Please explain?

I could be wrong, but I think Michael Jackson made the grab popular.

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by daviddesper

I have passed on the Grammys for at least the last 20 years because of how drastically music has changed, so I am with Ralph on this one. I am sure I am guilty of putting all artists of today in to the same category, but it seems to me that these days, to sell records, it is first of all about coming up with some bizarre name. What the hell is a Doja Cat or a Dua Lipa anyway?

Then you have to have some sort of image or you have to dress like a tramp or look like you raided a dumpster. Then of course you have to engage in SOME sort of weird behavior so as to keep your name in the spotlight........you know a messy affair or a drug charge or a feud with another artist.......just anything that will keep your name in the headlines.

So after all of that, the issue of whether or not you actually have any TALENT comes pretty far down the list. I can actually see some of today's wannabes showing up at a studio one day, being escorted in, and hearing the producer say "Let's hear what you've got" only to be met with "Oh gosh you mean I actually have to sing to make a record?"

I am exaggerating of course, and my thoughts [[much like Ralph's I am sure) are a reflection of age and nostalgia for the good old days. But I really do wonder what popular music will be like in another 20 years.........

I can still hear Janet's words - I believe it was after Control: [[I'll never dress provocatively or half-naked for an album cover, photo shoot, or a music video!]] That lasted maybe one more album.

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by milven

i guess it is a generational thing. I am a child of the fifties and when rock and roll emerged. the older generation said it was loud, not understandable and not music. Today, that loud music is called easy listening. And I now turned into my parents and call this music not understandable.

I recorded the awards show, and started watching it about 1030 pm at fast forward and stopped at the few things that interested me.

I love music and even attended some of the Grammy Shows when they were in NYC, but I just cant get into the current music and havent been able to for years. But I wont knock it. It is the "music" of the younger generation and they love it as much as I loved mine

Like David, I'll stick to the music of my generation
"Old Fogey Milven

"

What irritates me the most is this so-called R&B/Soul. A Funk groove or a Slow Jam track infused w/parts Drill, Mumble, or Gangsta rap.
I wouldn't even insult trash or the garbage heap with it!!! And when you see an article that says new R&B/Soul...you guessed it click bait. They get my goat EVERY time. It just ain't right.

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Motown Eddie

While I Don't watch The Grammy's, I was glad to find out that Questlove won a Grammy for his Summer Of Soul documentary [and that's his 2nd win for the film after getting The Oscar for it last week]. Also glad that Joni Mitchell was on the show [and took home an award for her Archives, Vol 1 box set].

I was happy for Questlive too. In all his lead-up interviews, he seems to be a genuinely humble guy. In one saying he didn't think he could pull it off! And get this: he said he and his team had to watch 42 hours of footage from the Harlem Festival!!! Maybe more docs on the way.

For a bookend to SoS, you guys go check out Wattstax - "The Black Woodstock. "

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 09:10 PM

No mention of Lady Gaga's showing respect for her elders to a wheel chaired and frail Liza: "I got you." Really touching moment. Reminded me of her care an concern of Tony Bennett in the throes of his Alzhiemer's at Radio City. Because of his disease, he was lost for words and memory, but she lovingly and patiently helped him to "return" and ultimately wrap up a stellar career with this final concert. I was in tears and floored. It was all broadcast on 60 minutes last year. Check it out. AND she has the pipes to go with her heart of gold too!! Check out her deuts with Tony on his Duets album. She is more than wacky get ups and unusual songs. Member her A Star is Born flick with Bradley Cooper? Then, her powerhouse House of Gucci?
I rest my case.

**Circa 1824** · 04-04-2022, 09:42 PM

I avoided it like the plague. I have zero interest in 99.85% of celebrities.

**nativeNY63** · 04-04-2022, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by nativeNY63

No mention of Lady Gaga's showing respect for her elders to a wheel chaired and frail Liza: "I got you." Really touching moment. Reminded me of her care an concern of Tony Bennett in the throes of his Alzhiemer's at Radio City. Because of his disease, he was lost for words and memory, but she lovingly and patiently helped him to "return" and ultimately wrap up a stellar career with this final concert. I was in tears and floored. It was all broadcast on 60 minutes last year. Check it out. AND she has the pipes to go with her heart of gold too!! Check out her deuts with Tony on his Duets album. She is more than wacky get ups and unusual songs. Member her A Star is Born flick with Bradley Cooper? Then, her powerhouse House of Gucci?
I rest my case.

...she helped a SZA on crutches with her dress train at The Grammys too. Not to mention she lost the statue to SZA. Gaga is classy.

**sansradio** · 04-04-2022, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by ralpht

That might have flown in the 60s.........

He's a brilliant, multi-talented guy. He's also the son of doo-wopper Lee Andrews, of Lee Andrews and The Hearts fame.
Have you seen the Oscar-winning documentary that Questlove directed, Summer of Soul, Ralph? The subject matter is right up your alley. I'm sure you'd change your tune about him and his name after seeing it...if you haven't already. Give this interview a listen:

**milven** · 04-04-2022, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by sansradio

He's a brilliant, multi-talented guy. He's also the son of doo-wopper Lee Andrews, of Lee Andrews and The Hearts fame....

Wow I didnt know that Lee Andrews was Questlove's dad. You learn something new here every day. I bought three Lee Andrews' 45's back in the fifties and still have them somewhere, "Tear Drops", "Long Lonely Nights" and "Try the Impossible"

**sansradio** · 04-05-2022, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by milven

Wow I didnt know that Lee Andrews was Questlove's dad. You learn something new here every day. I bought three Lee Andrews' 45's back in the fifties and still have them somewhere, "Tear Drops", "Long Lonely Nights" and "Try the Impossible"

In turn, I just discovered that Lee Andrews was the son of Beachy Thompson of The Dixie Hummingbirds. Serious music royalty!

**ralpht** · 04-05-2022, 07:49 AM

I'm not diminishing Questlove's talent. Please don't misunderstand me. But to compare the miracle of Woodstock with some five hundred thousand fans in attendance to Summer of Soul, which I'm sure is a premier concert featuring the very best of R&B and I'm looking forward to seeing it, is a little out of whack in my opinion. I give the guy big props for the effort he must have put in to pull it off. But Woodstock? And dump the dumb name.......He is part of a musical legacy. Celebrate that.

**PeaceNHarmony** · 04-05-2022, 08:07 AM

Agree all around in re: Lady Gaga.

**RanRan79** · 04-05-2022, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by sansradio

He's a brilliant, multi-talented guy. He's also the son of doo-wopper Lee Andrews, of Lee Andrews and The Hearts fame.
Have you seen the Oscar-winning documentary that Questlove directed, Summer of Soul, Ralph? The subject matter is right up your alley. I'm sure you'd change your tune about him and his name after seeing it...if you haven't already. Give this interview a listen:

^^All of this! Quest is one of the best.

**RanRan79** · 04-05-2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by milven

Wow I didnt know that Lee Andrews was Questlove's dad. You learn something new here every day. I bought three Lee Andrews' 45's back in the fifties and still have them somewhere, "Tear Drops", "Long Lonely Nights" and "Try the Impossible"

My fav is "Lonely Room". I play it often.

**Motown Eddie** · 04-05-2022, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by nativeNY63

I could be wrong, but I think Michael Jackson made the grab popular.

And I agree! When Michael did the video for "Bad" in 1987, he did a lot of 'crotch grabs' and it became one of his signature moves [also one that's still being used in stage shows & music videos to this day].

**Boogiedown** · 04-05-2022, 11:31 AM

what a legacy

**kenneth** · 04-07-2022, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by PeaceNHarmony

Agree all around in re: Lady Gaga.

I think she’s one of the few today who will truly be remembered as a legendary artist of her time.

**nativeNY63** · 04-07-2022, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by 9A

Trevor Noah -- meh! He's a nice guy. Cute. Hard working. Doesn't strike me.
How did he get "The Daily Show" gig? I understand he's from South Africa and
a good guy, but doesn't entertain me.

[PS - We intend to watch the remainder of the "Grammy" recording today, right
after we do "Wordle" and eat our porridge.]

To really understand where Noah's coming from and his brand of humor, pick up his autobio .[[pre-Covid days) The man has been thru two ringers, he and his mom! A real eye-opening read.

**MichaelSherry59** · 04-08-2022, 04:13 PM

The Grammy's have always been a joke even during the 60s - 80s which in my opinion was music at it's golden age.

**kenneth** · 04-08-2022, 08:14 PM

It seems to me they started to get a really bad reputation following the Milli Vanilli scandal. Although many people like to point back to the 60s when the song “Winchester Cathedral“ beat out the Beatles for a Grammy for song of the year.

**Motown Eddie** · 04-09-2022, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by nativeNY63

I was happy for Questlive too. In all his lead-up interviews, he seems to be a genuinely humble guy. In one saying he didn't think he could pull it off! And get this: he said he and his team had to watch 42 hours of footage from the Harlem Festival!!! Maybe more docs on the way.

For a bookend to SoS, you guys go check out Wattstax - "The Black Woodstock. "

And I agree with you about Wattstax! I saw that movie when it first came out in 1973 [and picked up the Soundtrack as well as the DVD release]. For me it's no contest; both Summer Of Soul & Wattstax are Great concert movies and they capture that moment in time in the late '60s thru the early '70s in Black Culture & Music.

**jack020** · 04-11-2022, 11:53 AM

I enjoyed this years Grammy show [[John Batiste, Silk Sonic,Sondheim Tribute) , but always enjoy more the Grammy specials that are recorded around the same time.
Last year there was a special [[studio recording) with a.o Patti Labelle, Cynthia Erivo and Andra Day.

**nativeNY63** · 04-13-2022, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Motown Eddie

And I agree with you about Wattstax! I saw that movie when it first came out in 1973 [and picked up the Soundtrack as well as the DVD release]. For me it's no contest; both Summer Of Soul & Wattstax are Great concert movies and they capture that moment in time in the late '60s thru the early '70s in Black Culture & Music.

'Nuff said, Motown Ed.

**nativeNY63** · 04-13-2022, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by jack020

I enjoyed this years Grammy show [[John Batiste, Silk Sonic,Sondheim Tribute) , but always enjoy more the Grammy specials that are recorded around the same time.
Last year there was a special [[studio recording) with a.o Patti Labelle, Cynthia Erivo and Andra Day.

Jack020, fresh off their Grammy win, check out Silk Sonic's cover of ConFunkShun's Love Train. There's an eye-opening interview on YouTube with Michael Cooper and the keyboardist who wrote the track with Michael. I'll just leave at that. They express tons of love for Silk Sonic's powerful cover!!!!