Diana Ross BOO'ed

[Boogiedown]

That wasn't my question. What would the other intervening variables be in those studies?

I've been to Tanzania. Don't bring them into this.

OK what country haven't you been too ....

let's say Iceland!!

[thanxal]

exactly !!

reporting techniques , available response treatment, reduced air flight, closed eateries, on and on and on .....

Those are not intervening variables. Those are study design limitations. Those can be controlled for.

So why don't we rely on a direct measurement methodology, which is what you suggest?

[thanxal]

OK what country haven't you been too ....

let's say Iceland!!

I've been there. Try again.

[Boogiedown]

how was the weather

[thanxal]

how was the weather

Surprisingly nice.
But
So why don't we rely on a direct measurement methodology, which is what you suggest?

[Boogiedown]

hey did you ever say , do you put your N95 [nothing less will do] mask in a brown paper bag for forty eight hours each time you wear it like science says we all oughta?

[thanxal]

hey did you ever say , do you put your N95 [nothing less will do] mask in a brown paper bag for forty eight hours each time you wear it like science says we all oughta?

What's the standard error term around risk exposure if I don't? [[Hint: it's in one of the studies you asked for)

Edit: still waiting for why don't we rely on a direct measurement methodology, which is what you suggest?

[TheMotownManiac]

hey did you ever say , do you put your N95 [nothing less will do] mask in a brown paper bag for forty eight hours each time you wear it like science says we all oughta?

are you that guy that shot the Costco clerk because they asked him to wear a mask?

if not, do you feel compelled to wear a mask when you are in an airplane?

I feel like I’ve seen you on YouTube. Is your first name karen?

[TheMotownManiac]

Sadly, MM, I don't. But I don't think that was the point. I think it was to score some cheap shot at you.

But sadly, reality doesn't care about their narratives. The reality is this. We have a pandemic. The virus that propels it doesn't have a political affiliation. People are exposing themselves and others to illness and death because of politically driven misinformation. This is why, in the US, the Supreme Court has generally upheld public health mandates that require people to act. Don't like it? The courts can be packed with right wing ideologues, but that virus don't care. It's gonna virus no matter what some lunatic group thinks, or does, or creates it own reality for itself. 900,000 people in the US are dead because of this virus. But's let's not hurt anybody's fee fee's by asking them to put a little old piece of cloth over their face so people don't die. That would be comma nism!!!!

Sadly, I AM an easy target.

[TheMotownManiac]

I guess I should just admit it: the pandemic is a hoax! They were shutting down restaurants because they wanted to hurt the economy! Everyone knows that. The vaccines don’t do any good and masks don’t do any good. The only thing that does any good is that pill that’s Viagra for horses, but I don’t qualify for it because, rumors to the contrary notwithstanding, I’m not THAT well hung! I don’t know how any of this became political and why people want to take away my freedoms. If I want to cop a deadly virus on the person next to me it is my right to do so! Unless you can prove to me that my particular spittle is deadly, I am going to spittle wherever I feel like it! And it is my right not to wear a mask, it says so in the bill of rights. It’s somewhere near where they allow pre-K to bring AK-47s to school with a permit. And just because Covid rates are soaring in countries where they have relaxed all the rules, there are many reasons that could be have nothing to do with the relaxation of rules… People make a big deal out of the most trite coincidences.

[carlo]

All of this talk about masks reminded me of this song lol. She could sing it at a future show and change the lyrics to "don't drop the mask"

[thanxal]

I guess I should just admit it: the pandemic is a hoax! They were shutting down restaurants because they wanted to hurt the economy! Everyone knows that. The vaccines don’t do any good and masks don’t do any good. The only thing that does any good is that pill that’s Viagra for horses, but I don’t qualify for it because, rumors to the contrary notwithstanding, I’m not THAT well hung! I don’t know how any of this became political and why people want to take away my freedoms. If I want to cop a deadly virus on the person next to me it is my right to do so! Unless you can prove to me that my particular spittle is deadly, I am going to spittle wherever I feel like it! And it is my right not to wear a mask, it says so in the bill of rights. It’s somewhere near where they allow pre-K to bring AK-47s to school with a permit. And just because Covid rates are soaring in countries where they have relaxed all the rules, there are many reasons that could be have nothing to do with the relaxation of rules… People make a big deal out of the most trite coincidences.

Dearest MM,
I ask you to take a big breath and join me to genuflect to Saint Diana of Ross. We shall ne'er criticize and shall always adore.
Thanks,
Thanxal

[carlo]

Dearest MM,
I ask you to take a big breath and join me to genuflect to Saint Diana of Ross. We shall ne'er criticize and shall always adore.
Thanks,
Thanxal

May I join your cult? I wish to swear an oath, with my hand placed on a copy of Secrets of a Sparrow. However, before we proceed, will my oath be considered legitimate if my copy of Secrets of a Sparrow was purchased from a bargain bin?

[thanxal]

May I join your cult? I wish to swear an oath, with my hand placed on a copy of Secrets of a Sparrow. However, before we proceed, will my oath be considered legitimate if my copy of Secrets of a Sparrow was purchased from a bargain bin?

Only if you agree that each and every background vocal on every Supremes track was sung by the Andantes. Even on tracks never recorded.

[carlo]

Only if you agree that each and every background vocal on every Supremes track was sung by the Andantes. Even on tracks never recorded.

LMAO
[[Coughs...changes to serious face)

Yes, of course. I am in complete agreement with this integral pillar of our faith.

[thanxal]

LMAO
[[Coughs...changes to serious face)

Yes, of course. I am in complete agreement with this integral pillar of our faith.

A true disciple of Diana you are. For posterity, we shall be known as the Disciples of D.

But Boogiedown still hasn't answered my question.

[jobeterob]

Wow - well the SD and Ghetto Numbers just exploded

Too much to read thoroughly but it looks like a productive discussion

It’s a terrible shame and embarrassment that what was at one time the world’s most advanced country, has a per capita death rate higher than any other advanced country and three times the rate in Canada

Masks and vaccines appear to help

[carlo]

A true disciple of Diana you are. For posterity, we shall be known as the Disciples of D.

It is an honour to be a Disciple of D. As my first act of loyalty, I shall giveth my tithe, as a financial contribution toward the ultimate mission of resurrecting the Workin' Overtime album and evangelizing the message of "Say We Can" to all inhabitants of our earth.

[RanRan79]

I, Ranran79, presiding Bishop of the Forever Faithful Florence Ballard Fellowship Kingdom Hall, do firmly and publicly denounce the musical terrorist group known as the Disciples of D. As an organization we refute any claim that Florence Glenda Ballard was not on every Supremes recording between 1960-1967. We reject the notion that Florence Ballard was anything other than an angel sent from Heaven to give the Supremes life. We affirm our position that Diana Ross was a backstabbing, homewrecking, no talent hack, with more luck than talent. We reject the existence of the mythical Andante, in all it's various forms.

[benross]

All I can say is this: when Diana Ross first saw my smiling face up close, she was singing Reach Out And Touch and there were thousands of people around, waiting to hear the rest of her show, so she couldn't very well set down her mic, reach in her pocket for a pen and a scrap of paper and ask me to write down my name and address. Obviously, she was disappointed that she didn't get to spend more time with me, so she married two other guys, to try to find a modicum of the eternal joy she could have experienced sharing Endless Love with me. That's just the way life is; you make compromises when things don't work out the way you hope they will. And while I, too, found happiness elsewhere, I promised myself that should Diana and I meet up again, in the time of an international pandemic, perhaps, I'd keep my mask on, so she would not see me, regret what could have been long ago and could be as happy as possible, even though in the process she'd miss another chance to maybe become my wife. And even though she may still cry herself to sleep sometimes, thinking of all we've missed, she would probably agree with me that it's better this way. She still experiences thrills and chills each and every time she sings The Impossible Dream or Somewhere, thinking of me, knowing that once she almost had it all and feeling that she has reason to go on, to see if, one day, she can attain her ultimate desire. And don't we all want her to feel that there is a purpose to the rest of her life?

[thanxal]

I, Ranran79, presiding Bishop of the Forever Faithful Florence Ballard Fellowship Kingdom Hall, do firmly and publicly denounce the musical terrorist group known as the Disciples of D. As an organization we refute any claim that Florence Glenda Ballard was not on every Supremes recording between 1960-1967. We reject the notion that Florence Ballard was anything other than an angel sent from Heaven to give the Supremes life. We affirm our position that Diana Ross was a backstabbing, homewrecking, no talent hack, with more luck than talent. We reject the existence of the mythical Andante, in all it's various forms.

Heretic Of Soulful Detroit!!! Begone with you and your lowly claims of "busy-ness". We the lovers of D reject you.

[PeaceNHarmony]

Well ... good try, toaxxx haters. You've shown yourselves to be trump supporters. Other than that, for Diana's career, the needle has not moved one degree.

[thanxal]

All I can say is this: when Diana Ross first saw my smiling face up close, she was singing Reach Out And Touch and there were thousands of people around, waiting to hear the rest of her show, so she couldn't very well set down her mic, reach in her pocket for a pen and a scrap of paper and ask me to write down my name and address. Obviously, she was disappointed that she didn't get to spend more time with me, so she married two other guys, to try to find a modicum of the eternal joy she could have experienced sharing Endless Love with me. That's just the way life is; you make compromises when things don't work out the way you hope they will. And while I, too, found happiness elsewhere, I promised myself that should Diana and I meet up again, in the time of an international pandemic, perhaps, I'd keep my mask on, so she would not see me, regret what could have been long ago and could be as happy as possible, even though in the process she'd miss another chance to maybe become my wife. And even though she may still cry herself to sleep sometimes, thinking of all we've missed, she would probably agree with me that it's better this way. She still experiences thrills and chills each and every time she sings The Impossible Dream or Somewhere, thinking of me, knowing that once she almost had it all and feeling that she has reason to go on, to see if, one day, she can attain her ultimate desire. And don't we all want her to feel that there is a purpose to the rest of her life?

You have been Touched By An Angel. You will always bask in the glow.

[Levi Stubbs Tears]

Just to make the point clear .... this December after boosting and although wearing your protocal mask , you got it again?

I can make it clear for you...

Vaccinations, Boosters, Face Masks & Sanitising/Washing your hands and physical distancing all REDUCE the chance of catching covid and REDUCE the chance of severe infection if you catch it.

There is NO magical shield against Covid.

[Boogiedown]

I can make it clear for you...

Vaccinations, Boosters, Face Masks & Sanitising/Washing your hands and physical distancing all REDUCE the chance of catching covid and REDUCE the chance of severe infection if you catch it.

There is NO magical shield against Covid.

yes we’ve covered that . Question remains, how much do masks REDUCE the chances of getting covid. 10%?~ 50%?~ 80 %?~ .032 %??

the notion that masks REDUCE the chance of severe infection if you catch it is new to me.

[Ollie9]

Well ... good try, toaxxx haters. You've shown yourselves to be trump supporters. Other than that, for Diana's career, the needle has not moved one degree.

Your getting forgetful dear. You remembered the usual Ross haters but left out the trolls. I guess toads will have to suffice as a way of best describing those servants of evil.
.And they say intelligent conversation is a dying art form.
May I suggest half a Valium and a mug of Ovaltine.

[thanxal]

yes we’ve covered that . Question remains, how much do masks REDUCE the chances of getting covid. 10%?~ 50%?~ 80 %?~ .032 %??

the notion that masks REDUCE the chance of severe infection if you catch it is new to me.

I’ll type the answer for you, which is already in the studies I’ve provided, if you answer my question: why don't we rely on a direct measurement methodology, which is what you suggest? I’ll even give you a pretty poster to go with it.

[Boogiedown]

Actually all this zig zagging has gotten kind of tiresome.
I ‘ve asked a direct question. If you have the answer thanxal, fine. If you don’t that’s fine too.
have a good safe day and thank you for your time.

[kenneth]

Actually all this zig zagging has gotten kind of tiresome.
I ‘ve asked a direct question. If you have the answer thanxal, fine. If you don’t that’s fine too.
have a good safe day and thank you for your time.

I’ll probably be sorry I wandered into this minefield, but it is well documented that today the vast majority of those hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated. No the vaccination does not mean you can’t catch it but it would be much milder and the symptoms much less severe. Most vaccinated persons who contract the virus today do not require hospitalization.

I believe that is borne out and not arguable based on the facts reported by hospitals regarding those who have been admitted today for Covid.

[Boogiedown]

I’ll probably be sorry I wandered into this minefield, but it is well documented that today the vast majority of those hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated. No the vaccination does not mean you can’t catch it but it would be much milder and the symptoms much less severe. Most vaccinated persons who contract the virus today do not require hospitalization.

I believe that is borne out and not arguable based on the facts reported by hospitals regarding those who have been admitted today for Covid.

good grief more zig zagging!
yes I’m aware that Trump’s vaccinations have likely saved hundreds of thousands of lives and prevented a lot of misery for those who would’ve had more severe cases without them. We owe Trump a world of gratitude for fast tracking the process , although I know there are those who would never express such appreciation. [thank you president Trump for my vaccines for me and my close ones].

Thanks for the update Kenneth on their success,

nonetheless this has nothing to do with my original enquiry which was specifically about …….[[[MASKS!! ]]]

hee haw!!
take care stay safe however it is that works for you

[kenneth]

@Boogie,

I saw some posts that were talking about vaccines, so I was just responding to that.


However regarding what you say, I absolutely agree. Trump should get credit for jump starting the vaccination development and getting The drug companies on board. That was a clear victory in the long run which he does not get credit for. I am not a Trump fan as you may know, but I agree that this was one of his major accomplishments.

but I think if your inquiry is specifically regarding masks, You’d have to be sure to compare apples and apples. I think you would have to look at a group of vaccinated persons wearing a mask versus those who do not, as well as a group of unvaccinated persons who wore masks versus those who do not, to see if their rate of developing Covid is different or not in each group. Like vaccines, masks are not 100% effective based on many factors. I do not know if such studies have been done.

Hee Haw???

[thanxal]

good grief more zig zagging!
yes I’m aware that Trump’s vaccinations have likely saved hundreds of thousands of lives and prevented a lot of misery for those who would’ve had more severe cases without them. We owe Trump a world of gratitude for fast tracking the process , although I know there are those who would never express such appreciation. [thank you president Trump for my vaccines for me and my close ones].

Thanks for the update Kenneth on their success,

nonetheless this has nothing to do with my original enquiry which was specifically about …….[[[MASKS!! ]]]

hee haw!!
take care stay safe however it is that works for you

I provided you the answer right there in the thread. You won't read it just like those you accuse of not giving Trump "credit". And by the way, mRNA vaccines were under development for 10 years before Trump saw office, so make sure you give those SCIENTISTS who use extrapolation and statistical inference credit. He signed a bill guaranteeing the US government would buy the supply of vaccines, that's about it. Calling them "Trump's vaccines" is about equivalent to calling it "Al Gore's internet". A responsible act would have been mandating mask use and vaccines, neither of which he did. He actively disseminated misinformation about both.

[Boogiedown]

@Boogie,

I saw some posts that were talking about vaccines, so I was just responding to that.


However regarding what you say, I absolutely agree. Trump should get credit for jump starting the vaccination development and getting The drug companies on board. That was a clear victory in the long run which he does not get credit for. I am not a Trump fan as you may know, but I agree that this was one of his major accomplishments.

but I think if your inquiry is specifically regarding masks, You’d have to be sure to compare apples and apples. I think you would have to look at a group of vaccinated persons wearing a mask versus those who do not, as well as a group of unvaccinated persons who wore masks versus those who do not, to see if their rate of developing Covid is different or not in each group. Like vaccines, masks are not 100% effective based on many factors. I do not know if such studies have been done.

Hee Haw???

Hey Kenneth! Thanks for a nonabrasive response. You sound like a person of reason , hard to be in these times !

The mask wearing has so many variables for effectiveness and most of it depends on wearing them correctly which is another thing I'd like to see from a study: the percentage of those that do wear them correctly! 10%?--- 70% ----.0352%? Even at their best i think the most accurate response is they are "better than nothing" and actually even that is debatable....how many people "think" they're actually achieving anything as their nose sticks out of some flimsy blue mask ? Wiping your hand on your pants after opening a door is "better than nothing " too!.

If it weren't Trump at the helm , we'd probably still be waiting for the vaccines to pass through all the hoops ...who knows , we do know they got to us quickly through him.
Thanks again Kenneth , my hee haws are meant to make it clear i ain't mad at nobody .....

have a good one

----

How much credit should Trump get ?? Yes scientists are who did the work, so of course credit them above all. In the same way as how much credit should Obama get for Obama care as he personally constructed none of the content that was years in the making .....

[TheMotownManiac]

@Boogie,

I saw some posts that were talking about vaccines, so I was just responding to that.


However regarding what you say, I absolutely agree. Trump should get credit for jump starting the vaccination development and getting The drug companies on board. That was a clear victory in the long run which he does not get credit for. I am not a Trump fan as you may know, but I agree that this was one of his major accomplishments.

but I think if your inquiry is specifically regarding masks, You’d have to be sure to compare apples and apples. I think you would have to look at a group of vaccinated persons wearing a mask versus those who do not, as well as a group of unvaccinated persons who wore masks versus those who do not, to see if their rate of developing Covid is different or not in each group. Like vaccines, masks are not 100% effective based on many factors. I do not know if such studies have been done.

Hee Haw???

Trump had nothing to do with the vaccinations being started by the drug companies. They have made that perfectly clear. The drug companies, being for profit organizations, went full steam ahead when they saw the mammoth profits a vaccine would make. No one had to tell them, suggest or even hint that it would be a good idea to look for a vaccine. They had dollars in their eyes and worked like hell to make those dollars. And I think most people are grateful that they did. What Trump does get credit for, is dismantling the pandemic preparatory offices that had been part of the United States government for decades. It left us even more vulnerable than we would have been. He does get credit for that.

[thanxal]

Trump had nothing to do with the vaccinations being started by the drug companies. They have made that perfectly clear. The drug companies, being for profit organizations, went full steam ahead when they saw the mammoth profits a vaccine would make. No one had to tell them, suggest or even hint that it would be a good idea to look for a vaccine. They had dollars in their eyes and worked like hell to make those dollars. And I think most people are grateful that they did. What Trump does get credit for, is dismantling the pandemic preparatory offices that had been part of the United States government for decades. It left us even more vulnerable than we would have been. He does get credit for that.

You are absolutely correct MM and I forgot about that!
Here's the link [trigger warning- reading is required]:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/polit...rus/index.html
So USAID has a zoonotic PANDEMIC prediction program and the Trump administration went ahead and closed it, even though it could have been renewed under emergency funding authorization for a third contract period.

[Boogiedown]

"more vulnerable" define 'more' , define vulnerable, in what way ....

masks 'help reduce' exposure...define 'reduce', by how much?


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/10/fact-check-white-house-didnt-fire-pandemic-response-2018/3437356001/
Fact check: White House didn't fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018


Tim Morrison, a former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the NSC, wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post that he "inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate" when he joined in July 2018.
"This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020," he wrote.

He also said that the reorganization of the NSC was necessary after the "bloat that occurred" under Obama, when the staff quadrupled to nearly 400 – a figure that even members of the Obama administration agreed was too large.


Tim Morrison, March 16, No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.

[kenneth]

I am aware that Trump didn’t actually start the vaccination program, so perhaps “jumpstarting“ was the wrong term. But I believe he did have a lot to do with accelerating it and forging the alliance between the drug companies to avoid unnecessary competition at what was during the time of a major national crisis.


I never thought I’d be in the business of defending Trump, and I am not, but I do believe in giving credit when it’s due and I don’t think it hurts to give him credit for helping get that all off the ground. Yes, he certainly mismanaged the rollout of equipment, PPE, tests, etc. etc., Leaving it to the states to outbid each other on what they needed for their populations to remain healthy, and people like Jared Kushner saying things like “they’re our ventilators,” or that it was mainly blue states who were affected by the pandemic. It created a terrible schism in which it seemed that whether you were vaccinated or not, or wore a mask or not, was more of a way to identify your political leanings than it was a health and safety measure. That is unfortunate and led to the loss of many lives.


We’ve all heard stories, and I’ve known a few people whose relatives refused to be vaccinated because of all the disinformation and ended up dying. And as I mentioned earlier, today most people who are hospitalized are those who remain unvaccinated.

Certainly few things are black and white and I don’t believe this issue is either, but judging by the few times that Trump has actually endorsed the vaccine, and sometimes quickly backs away from suggesting that people should get it, I agree we would be in a far worse position today had we not had a change in the administration. But because of his enormous influence over a good portion of the population, I don’t understand why he chose to oppose the science as much as he did. It’s mystifying. Had he not done so, I am sure he would’ve been reelected easily. But I think Trump, as well as many Republicans today in Congress, are afraid of their base, so it seems to be a case of as they say, the tail wagging the dog.

[thanxal]

"more vulnerable" define 'more' , define vulnerable, in what way ....

masks 'help reduce' exposure...define 'reduce', by how much?


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/10/fact-check-white-house-didnt-fire-pandemic-response-2018/3437356001/
Fact check: White House didn't fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018


Tim Morrison, a former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the NSC, wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post that he "inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate" when he joined in July 2018.
"This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020," he wrote.

He also said that the reorganization of the NSC was necessary after the "bloat that occurred" under Obama, when the staff quadrupled to nearly 400 – a figure that even members of the Obama administration agreed was too large.


Tim Morrison, March 16, No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.

Fact check: They most certainly did close that USAID program. They were directly asked to renew the funding and refused. The USAID program was NOT disbanded in 2018.

That article, which you clearly didn't read, has nothing to do with the NSC. It has to do with USAID.

Your requests for definitions are distractions, much like your unwillingness to read the evidence provided. It is a classic dodge and distract strategy when you've lost the argument.

[Boogiedown]

OK so I see your article was from all truth and nothing but the truth, CNN , who wrote it Don Lemon? [the false proclaimers of 'Russia Russia Russia collusion, collusion, collusion day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, ]

who knew definitions were distractions!

If we really want to point fingers, how's about CNN's star attraction during the Cuomo era,Mr. Fauci and his Wuhan connection... eh , let's not.

this is way beyond the DRAT forum chatter , should stay within parameters, like should Diana Ross insist on six feet of separation while singing reach out and touch ....

And I don't want you to pass out from correctly wearing your N95 mask snugly [after keeping it in a brown paper bag for 48 hours] while blowing all that hot air.


Should we just agree to disagree as clearly we do .

stay healthy.

hee haw.

[thanxal]

OK so I see your article was from all truth and nothing but the truth, CNN , who wrote it Don Lemon? [the false proclaimers of 'Russia Russia Russia collusion, collusion, collusion day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, ]


who knew definitions were distractions!

If we really want to point fingers, how's about CNN's star attraction during the Cuomo era,Mr. Fauci and his Wuhan connection... eh , let's not.

this is way beyond the DRAT forum chatter , should stay within parameters, like Diana Ross insisting on six feet of separation while singing reach out and touch ....

And I don't want you to pass out from correctly wearing your N95 mask snugly [after keeping it in a brown paper bag for 48 hours] while blowing all that hot air.


Should we just agree to disagree as clearly we do .

stay healthy.

hee haw.

My N95 fits nicely and prevents ~95% droplet transmission so I will breathe easily.

Since you clearly refuse to accept new information or information that conflicts with your worldview or information that doesn't provide you 100% certainty, I agree we should end this conversation.

I just hope everyone reading this thread goes to the data sources provided, which show an overwhelming risk reduction of between 70-95% from mask wearing, read about the error term for each study, and understand that masks are not 0 or 100% and that even incorrect usage, while not recommended, drastically reduces risk over wearing no mask.

In addition, and very relevant to the DRATS ghetto, I would hope everyone would demand evidence when a spurious/misleading claim is made. We often read real garbage about one of the Supremes and too many people are all too eager to accept such misinformation because it comports with their already existing world view - something we call confirmation bias and something that clearly plagues this thread.
Thanxal

[Boogiedown]

cool. if you believe your mask prevents 95% transmission , you should have no worries by my not wearing mine .

win / win

[thanxal]

cool. if you believe your mask prevents 95% transmission , you should have no worries by my not wearing mine .

win / win

from me. you're still spouting 100% of your droplets. You really don't get it at all, but we agreed to stop so I'll hold to my end of the bargain.

even simpler for you

[vgalindo]

All I know. Is that since I have been wearing a mask. I haven’t gotten a cold or the flu. That’s almost 3 years. I have friends and family that say the same thing. In fact even when there is no covid. I will probably wear a mask in crowds indefinitely!

[jobeterob]

All I know. Is that since I have been wearing a mask. I haven’t gotten a cold or the flu. That’s almost 3 years. I have friends and family that say the same thing. In fact even when there is no covid. I will probably wear a mask in crowds indefinitely!

My whole office of 20 people all say the same thing

[PeaceNHarmony]

All I know. Is that since I have been wearing a mask. I haven’t gotten a cold or the flu. That’s almost 3 years. I have friends and family that say the same thing. In fact even when there is no covid. I will probably wear a mask in crowds indefinitely!

Agreed. But then again I've always been more likely to take health & medical advice from medical & science professionals rather than game show hosts and comedians. Silly me! But I didn't even vote for the prior guy, so I sure won't die for him. I wonder: do the anti-maskers ask their medical professionals to remove their masks during medical appointments? Anyhoo ... as usual ... The Diana Juggernaut continues forward!

[Boogiedown]

from me. you're still spouting 100% of your droplets. You really don't get it at all, but we agreed to stop so I'll hold to my end of the bargain.

even simpler for you

Oh dear thanxal,
your scientific cartoons don’t match up!

which is it I wonder,
the one that says even with your mask the transmission is 70 % [that sucks]
or the one that says with your mask you block 70-97 % of transmission [fantastic , although that’s a curiously vague and wide range , maybe it’s factoring in the effectiveness depending on how correctly the mask is being worn , >>IF << you wear yours right , then no worries about forcing me to wear one while you wear yours]

Also I know you don’t like to be bothered with definitions but :

what’s the definition of droplets. Tricky term being used. covid is found in particles much smaller than ‘droplets’.

[thanxal]

Oh dear thanxal,
your scientific cartoons don’t match up!

which is it I wonder,
the one that says even with your mask the transmission is 70 % [that sucks]
or the one that says with your mask you block 70-97 % of transmission [fantastic , although that’s a curiously vague and wide range , maybe it’s factoring in the effectiveness depending on how correctly the mask is being worn , >>IF << you wear yours right , then no worries about forcing me to wear one while you wear yours]

Also I know you don’t like to be bothered with definitions but :

what’s the definition of droplets. Tricky term being used. covid is found in particles much smaller than ‘droplets’.

All defined in the studies you refuse to read. Your obstinance is no excuse for ignorance.

[kenneth]

All I know. Is that since I have been wearing a mask. I haven’t gotten a cold or the flu. That’s almost 3 years. I have friends and family that say the same thing. In fact even when there is no covid. I will probably wear a mask in crowds indefinitely!

I think that will be how many people will adapt [[hopefully soon) to the "new normal," whatever that is. I believe it will be one of the things which will become commonplace in the future, such as avoiding shaking hands, less hugs between friends, and so on.

In China, people have worn masks for years, mostly due to urban pollution. I believe that practice has been fairly common for quite some time.

I would like to think we all won't turn into germophobes [[sp?) but I don't think we really know yet how much this pandemic will affect us all on a permanent basis going forward.

Somehow, last year, I still managed to catch a good old fashioned "cold" which lasted about a week. Go figure!

[Boogiedown]

My whole office of 20 people all say the same thing

You must not work for a trucking company

[Boogiedown]

All I know. Is that since I have been wearing a mask. I haven’t gotten a cold or the flu. That’s almost 3 years. I have friends and family that say the same thing. In fact even when there is no covid. I will probably wear a mask in crowds indefinitely!

I support YOUR CHOICE to do so 100%.
Personally I enjoy breathing unencumbered and the thought of my remaining breaths on earth being stifled beneath a smothering mask strikes me as a bit of a less than satisfying conclusion to a fully lived life.