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    So sick of all the predictable assorted card playing these days.

    Diana Ross is a perfect example of an American success story, never mind putting any other slant on it.
    She most certainly has earned every penny in the process. Can you agree to the sentiment, "Well played Diana!", Circa?

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    Boogie--thank you! What in the hell is going on these days with these ridiculous identity politics? I don't get it at all. We should all love each other. Some of us are trying to.
    Last edited by BobbyC; 06-08-2020 at 02:08 PM.

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    Diana Ross' gender is a huge part of her story, including the fact that a lot of the grief she gets for being "difficult" or a "diva" or "controlling" or just generally "not nice" is tied to her vagina, because men in the industry are simply not judged by the same standards. Sure, there are men who get labeled as difficult when they don't show up on time or are drunk or stoned. And obviously the business is full of men who have reps for not being the nicest people. But when Diana takes charge of her career, when she says she wants it this way and not that, when she refuses to settle for what she may think of as "any old thing", she's a bitch. How dare she boss people around. And let's not talk about how highly people think of David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, and Marvin Gaye, even though one was a woman beater, one wasn't paying his child support, and the other was having sex with an underage girl knowingly. You could have conversations about those three for days without anyone mentioning any of that. But Diana had spats with her singing partners and various other females during her youth, not to mention she had the gall to enter into a romantic relationship with her boss, a single man. And for some folks there is no conversation about Diana Ross unless you include this negative stuff. That anybody would think none of this has to do with her gender is naive at best, and a flat out liar at worst.

    We all want the world to be a better place, but it'll never get there if people pretend we don't have real time problems. Just because you aren't a racist/sexist/xenophobe/otherphobes/otherists does not mean someone else isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Diana Ross' gender is a huge part of her story, including the fact that a lot of the grief she gets for being "difficult" or a "diva" or "controlling" or just generally "not nice" is tied to her vagina, because men in the industry are simply not judged by the same standards. Sure, there are men who get labeled as difficult when they don't show up on time or are drunk or stoned. And obviously the business is full of men who have reps for not being the nicest people. But when Diana takes charge of her career, when she says she wants it this way and not that, when she refuses to settle for what she may think of as "any old thing", she's a bitch. How dare she boss people around. And let's not talk about how highly people think of David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, and Marvin Gaye, even though one was a woman beater, one wasn't paying his child support, and the other was having sex with an underage girl knowingly. You could have conversations about those three for days without anyone mentioning any of that. But Diana had spats with her singing partners and various other females during her youth, not to mention she had the gall to enter into a romantic relationship with her boss, a single man. And for some folks there is no conversation about Diana Ross unless you include this negative stuff. That anybody would think none of this has to do with her gender is naive at best, and a flat out liar at worst.

    We all want the world to be a better place, but it'll never get there if people pretend we don't have real time problems. Just because you aren't a racist/sexist/xenophobe/otherphobes/otherists does not mean someone else isn't.
    #micdrop !!!!

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    No kidding. The card playing is so tedious. All it does is shut down conversation. Plus who in the hell thinks Diana Ross didn't earn her money? I've never heard that, not even once. I think this is one of those "made up" problems so popular online these days.

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