The Gaye family wins

[midnightman]

Robin always wanted to be Marvin...

[marv2]

Robin always wanted to be Marvin...

True dat! He even recorded a song that sounds very much like "Trouble Man".

[marv2]

Marv, did you listen to the piano version of “Blurred Lines” that I posted? Did you hear anything remotely similar in the melody that resembles the melody of “Got To Give It Up?”

No I haven't. I will Brad thanks.

[PeaceNHarmony]

Then again I've heard it said that the Gaye family should pay Thicke & Pharrell for raising interest in a decades-forgotten, lesser MG song ...

[marv2]

Marvin Gaye Estate Wins “Blurred Lines” Appeal, Pharrell & Robin Thicke Need To Cut The Check!

http://hiphopwired.com/747712/marvin...cut-the-check/

[marv2]

Then again I've heard it said that the Gaye family should pay Thicke & Pharrell for raising interest in a decades-forgotten, lesser MG song ...

I don't know where you're from but here in America, Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" was one of his greatest hits, not a lesser song. It was a Billboard number one Pop hit and and number one R&B hit. The album it was pulled from was "Live at the London Palladium" and it went to number 3 on the Billboard Hot 100 album chart and number 1 on Billboard's R&B album chart! It was huge it. It is now a classic.

[marv2]

The album also became one of his most commercially successful albums during his tenure at Motown.

[marv2]

Just to refresh your memory....................

[marv2]

The people on the jury were not a panel of musical experts nor have knowledge in musical composition.

Listen to this. Take away the cowbells, bass, instruments. Listen to the melody. Does it sound anything like "Got To Give It Up?"

This does not even make sense. You're talking about stripping the song completely down and removing the parts that not only sounded very similar to Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" , they were also the parts that caused "Blurred Lines" to sell! If this was issued as a commercial recording, I can promise you it would not sell 5 copies. Nice try though.

[marv2]

The 2013 hit single "Blurred Lines" by Robin Thicke, Pharrell Williams and song co-writer T.I. was the subject of a lawsuit for allegedly copying "Got to Give It Up". Thicke originally told the public both he and Pharrell were in the recording studio and suddenly Thicke told Pharrell "Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove" and they wrote the song in less than an hour. However, Thicke later claimed this was all a lie and the song was entirely written by Pharrell.[4] Thicke stated "I was high on Vicodin and alcohol when I showed up at the studio."[5] On March 10, 2015, a federal jury found "Blurred Lines" infringed on "Got to Give It Up” and awarded nearly $7.4 million to Gaye's children. Jurors found against Pharrell and Thicke, but held harmless the record company and T.I - Wikipedia

[midnightman]

Then again I've heard it said that the Gaye family should pay Thicke & Pharrell for raising interest in a decades-forgotten, lesser MG song ...

Say what?

Now you KNOW I gotta defend my boy! How is that song a forgotten, lesser known song in his catalog? That was one of the biggest hits of his career! LOL

[MIKEW-UK]

Charlie Wilson has seen it all and is careful who he performs with..... I think is excellent...

[marv2]

Charlie Wilson has seen it all and is careful who he performs with..... I think is excellent...

Charlie Wilson is one of our very, very few Classic artist that remains or should I say allowed to remain relevant in America today. It is all bizarre to me when I think about all that talent that gets shut out now.

[MIKEW-UK]

Marv,

Truest words you ever said. Couldn't agree more

Mike

[bradsupremes]

This does not even make sense. You're talking about stripping the song completely down and removing the parts that not only sounded very similar to Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" , they were also the parts that caused "Blurred Lines" to sell! If this was issued as a commercial recording, I can promise you it would not sell 5 copies. Nice try though.

This is what I’m talking about, Marv. The song is the melody and chord structure. That is what the piano is playing - the melody and chords. That is the song and that’s what is disputed. Is the melody that the piano is playing the same melody of “Got To Give It Up?” A song is not the groove and arrangement. You are confusing arrangements as the song. It’s not. It’s a sound and you can’t copyright a sound.

[marv2]

This is what I’m talking about, Marv. The song is the melody and chord structure. That is what the piano is playing - the melody and chords. That is the song and that’s what is disputed. Is the melody that the piano is playing the same melody of “Got To Give It Up?” A song is not the groove and arrangement. You are confusing arrangements as the song. It’s not. It’s a sound and you can’t copyright a sound.

I will have to hear the melody and chord structure for "Got to Give it Up" in order to make a real comparison then.

[RanRan79]

I don't know where you're from but here in America, Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" was one of his greatest hits, not a lesser song. It was a Billboard number one Pop hit and and number one R&B hit. The album it was pulled from was "Live at the London Palladium" and it went to number 3 on the Billboard Hot 100 album chart and number 1 on Billboard's R&B album chart! It was huge it. It is now a classic.

You got that right. "Got to Give It Up" is not only a party staple, but it's constantly used in television shows and movies of all genres. That song is legend. Some folks need to stop with the bullshit.

[marv2]

You got that right. "Got to Give It Up" is not only a party staple, but it's constantly used in television shows and movies of all genres. That song is legend. Some folks need to stop with the bullshit.

I agree with you 1000%! Cut the B.S. and all will be right with the World!

[PeaceNHarmony]

If they ever end up with any money I'll revise my opinion if they donate it ALL to Black Lives Matter or another similar group. Otherwise ...

[TomatoTom123]

You got that right. "Got to Give It Up" is not only a party staple, but it's constantly used in television shows and movies of all genres. That song is legend. Some folks need to stop with the bullshit.

I agree with you 1000%! Cut the B.S. and all will be right with the World!

Ah I love this place...

[Encyclopedia Mack]

I agree. But things get complicated with these things. The thing is the family needs to iron things out on their own. Marvin's music rights can be settled if the family can agree. I listened to Marin's BBC special and one of Marvin's producers said that Marvin completed an album after Midnight Love that is ready to be released. The producer said the album probably will not see the light of day because the families are fighting each other and are going through several lawsuits. So this madness has nothing to do with Robin. They need to handle this on their own.

[marv2]

I agree. But things get complicated with these things. The thing is the family needs to iron things out on their own. Marvin's music rights can be settled if the family can agree. I listened to Marin's BBC special and one of Marvin's producers said that Marvin completed an album after Midnight Love that is ready to be released. The producer said the album probably will not see the light of day because the families are fighting each other and are going through several lawsuits. So this madness has nothing to do with Robin. They need to handle this on their own.

I thought "Sanctified Lady" was recorded after "Midnight Love".

[midnightman]

I agree. But things get complicated with these things. The thing is the family needs to iron things out on their own. Marvin's music rights can be settled if the family can agree. I listened to Marin's BBC special and one of Marvin's producers said that Marvin completed an album after Midnight Love that is ready to be released. The producer said the album probably will not see the light of day because the families are fighting each other and are going through several lawsuits. So this madness has nothing to do with Robin. They need to handle this on their own.

Marvin had a current BBC special? And if the families are fighting, it's Janis, Marvin III, Nona and Frankie vs. Zeola and Jeanne.

[jobeterob]

So typical; if there’s any chance of any money for nothing, the families swarm, fight to the death, give the money to the lawyers and come out with nothing

Didn’t Mary say she finally got tired of fighting and paying lawyers?

Bad stuff

[marv2]

So typical; if there’s any chance of any money for nothing, the families swarm, fight to the death, give the money to the lawyers and come out with nothing

Didn’t Mary say she finally got tired of fighting and paying lawyers?

Bad stuff

So typical of whom? Money for nothing? Could you explain yourself?

[midnightman]

I still remember a few years ago, Zeola argued that they wouldn't receive any of the money and they were [[dead) broke or whatever. But if I know anything about family is that some wanna leech off of you. Marvin's sisters definitely rub me the wrong way. Zeola mostly from what she said about that fateful day on April 1, 1984.

Jeanne & Zeola may also be the reason why there's a hold up on that documentary and mini-series that are being planned about Marvin's life [[projects that got the okay of MG's publishing company and Motown).

[jobeterob]

Generally your heirs are spouses and children and siblings would come below them and parents

Did Marvin have a will!

How did siblings get mixed up in this?

[midnightman]

Marvin didn't leave behind a will. They had to force his 17-year-old son to be executor of his estate because he didn't write one. But I imagine if he had a will, none of his siblings would've been included and his mother was dying at the time. And when the estate was formed, Jeanne, Zeola and Frankie Sr. weren't included. I imagine they included just Marvin III, Nona [[when she was grown) and Lil Frankie [[when he got grown) because that's his estate basically. His siblings shouldn't jump in anyway. They got no business to ask for any of that change.

By the way, all of Marvin's grandkids [[the ones known anyway) are grown [[not sure about Lil Frankie, who looks JUST LIKE MARVIN btw, but I don't think he has kids).

[antceleb12]

If you don't hear the similarity between BL and GTGIU, you are in the minority. It doesn't take a degree or years of musical experience to hear that the resemblance is beyond striking and hardly coincidental.

Yes, many songs borrow the same chord structure and harmonies, but with BL, its the sum of all of its parts that add up to a Marvin Gaye-rip off.

At best, BL is a lazy spin-off of a Marvin Gaye classic. At its heart, its a lazy attempt at a vintage soul revival with horribly distasteful lyrics that overtly disregards sexual consent, as sung by a washed-up creep who's probably taken one too many Viagra.

Personal opinions aside, Thicke and Pharrell - for the music biz veterans that they are - were stupid not to have learned anything from the mess that was the George Harrison v. Bright Tunes [["My Sweet Lord" v. "He's So Fine") fiasco.

[marv2]

If you don't hear the similarity between BL and GTGIU, you are in the minority. It doesn't take a degree or years of musical experience to hear that the resemblance is beyond striking and hardly coincidental.

Yes, many songs borrow the same chord structure and harmonies, but with BL, its the sum of all of its parts that add up to a Marvin Gaye-rip off.

At best, BL is a lazy spin-off of a Marvin Gaye classic. At its heart, its a lazy attempt at a vintage soul revival with horribly distasteful lyrics that overtly disregards sexual consent, as sung by a washed-up creep who's probably taken one too many Viagra.

Personal opinions aside, Thicke and Pharrell - for the music biz veterans that they are - were stupid not to have learned anything from the mess that was the George Harrison v. Bright Tunes [["My Sweet Lord" v. "He's So Fine") fiasco.

All I will say to that is Uh huh, YEP! LOL!!!! Write that check Pharrell and Robin the Boy Wonder...... LOL!

[midnightman]

If you don't hear the similarity between BL and GTGIU, you are in the minority. It doesn't take a degree or years of musical experience to hear that the resemblance is beyond striking and hardly coincidental.

Yes, many songs borrow the same chord structure and harmonies, but with BL, its the sum of all of its parts that add up to a Marvin Gaye-rip off.

At best, BL is a lazy spin-off of a Marvin Gaye classic. At its heart, its a lazy attempt at a vintage soul revival with horribly distasteful lyrics that overtly disregards sexual consent, as sung by a washed-up creep who's probably taken one too many Viagra.

Personal opinions aside, Thicke and Pharrell - for the music biz veterans that they are - were stupid not to have learned anything from the mess that was the George Harrison v. Bright Tunes [["My Sweet Lord" v. "He's So Fine") fiasco.

I agree with you, ant [[by the way long time no see).

You know what's so funny about the whole thing, Robin Thicke basically threw Pharrell under the bus during that whole thing, he tried to pin the whole thing on Pharrell, which exposes him too because it shows all he can do is write lyrics [[and by the way he wrote that song, it was horrible anyway; that song was an anthem for the douchebags).

We know "Happy" ain't all original either. And I know Stevie tried to stick up for him, but God dammit if "Frontin'" didn't sound like "I Can't Help It"...

[Encyclopedia Mack]

Marvin had a current BBC special? And if the families are fighting, it's Janis, Marvin III, Nona and Frankie vs. Zeola and Jeanne.

Not current. They replay it on the BBC website often.

[jobeterob]

If there is no Will, the heirs are the spouse [and there can be more than one] and the children; but if one of the children predeceased Marvin, their children would take the predeceased child’s share.

That’s what intestate legislation [no will] nearly always provides.

Siblings are never involved unless there is no spouse and no children

So something else is being argued here

Who were the writers and producers of Got To Give It Up? They will be in on this.

I suspect the only real money coming in is from the use of the songs in commercials and movies - because they aren’t selling much anymore

[marv2]

If there is no Will, the heirs are the spouse [and there can be more than one] and the children; but if one of the children predeceased Marvin, their children would take the predeceased child’s share.

That’s what intestate legislation [no will] nearly always provides.

Siblings are never involved unless there is no spouse and no children

So something else is being argued here

Who were the writers and producers of Got To Give It Up? They will be in on this.

I suspect the only real money coming in is from the use of the songs in commercials and movies - because they aren’t selling much anymore

I don't know where you got your information , but thank goodness "Blurred Lines" made a
lot of money!

Blurred Lines the total profits made were US$16.67 million [[A$21.3 million).

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...733ff681d02a9a

[midnightman]

If there is no Will, the heirs are the spouse [and there can be more than one] and the children; but if one of the children predeceased Marvin, their children would take the predeceased child’s share.

That’s what intestate legislation [no will] nearly always provides.

Siblings are never involved unless there is no spouse and no children

So something else is being argued here

Who were the writers and producers of Got To Give It Up? They will be in on this.


I suspect the only real money coming in is from the use of the songs in commercials and movies - because they aren’t selling much anymore

Marvin was the sole writer. Art Stewart is credited as the producer. But Marvin due to having EP powers on his London Palladium album [[as well as being a producer of the live album) still gets royalty cuts from producing even now.

GTGIU was in several soundtracks over the years. Shoot, in the future, it could be used for commercials. God knows how many times Let's Get It On has been used in the past. Every Easter week, the Reeses commercial featuring LGIO continues to air to this day.

Blurred Lines was a multi-million dollar song.

[marybrewster]

Robin always wanted to be Marvin...

And Marvin always wanted to be Martha. Or Mary. Or Diana.

[midnightman]

And Marvin always wanted to be Martha. Or Mary. Or Diana.

LOL you got jokes.

[jobeterob]

LOL you got jokes.

Not sure how much of a joke this is anymore, as things get revealed.

If there is some money flowing down the pipe, you would think that the family would have some interest in resolving things between themselves - so they get some of it while they are all alive.

Some of this just makes no sense.

[RanRan79]

His siblings shouldn't jump in anyway. They got no business to ask for any of that change.

I agree that this fight- whether I actually agree with the fight or not- is the business of the estate, and it seems like the estate would be Marvin's descendants, not his siblings. But I wouldn't say the siblings have no right to ask for anything. If Marvin were my brother [[or my sister) I'd like to think I would get broke off a little something, especially if it were a large amount.

[RanRan79]

Not sure how much of a joke this is anymore, as things get revealed.

If there is some money flowing down the pipe, you would think that the family would have some interest in resolving things between themselves - so they get some of it while they are all alive.

Some of this just makes no sense.

That's the sad thing about a lot of these situations. And I'm not even talking strictly rich and famous. I see this played out in families that have no riches at all. The money becomes more important than the relationships. I like to think that I'd tell my family to take the money and stick it up their asses rather than me spend time fighting or begging for a cut. So many folks place an importance on money. As my grandmother would say, when you die you can't take it with you. So what's the point?

[midnightman]

Not current. They replay it on the BBC website often.

You mean that one from a few years ago? I know of the Stubborn Kinda Fellow one [[as well as the 1994 documentary that aired on the BBC)...

[midnightman]

Not sure how much of a joke this is anymore, as things get revealed.

If there is some money flowing down the pipe, you would think that the family would have some interest in resolving things between themselves - so they get some of it while they are all alive.

Some of this just makes no sense.

Well I think there's still some bitterness because, remember, Zeola Gaye released her memoirs and basically called Janis trash and that's a reason Marvin's kids no longer communicate with her and the rest of the Gay/Gaye family, I imagine. That's not something that can be easily forgiven.

[Encyclopedia Mack]

You mean that one from a few years ago? I know of the Stubborn Kinda Fellow one [[as well as the 1994 documentary that aired on the BBC)...

I believe that was it. It was broken up into 4-5 parts. That's all I'm saying is it looks hypocrite for the family. No disrespect. But don't whoop and holler about your father's/husband music with Blurred Lines. But then they can't get together amongst each other to preserve Marvin's legacy. They have been going at this for almost 4 decades. Who do we go to about that?

[marv2]

I agree that this fight- whether I actually agree with the fight or not- is the business of the estate, and it seems like the estate would be Marvin's descendants, not his siblings. But I wouldn't say the siblings have no right to ask for anything. If Marvin were my brother [[or my sister) I'd like to think I would get broke off a little something, especially if it were a large amount.

I do know that Marvin Gaye very much loved his siblings, especially Sweetie aka Zeola. I had the opportunity to see his brother Frankie perform after Marvin had passed. Frankie could have been Marvin's twin. His experiences in Vietnam were Marvin's inspiration for the album "What's Going On?".

[marv2]

Well I think there's still some bitterness because, remember, Zeola Gaye released her memoirs and basically called Janis trash and that's a reason Marvin's kids no longer communicate with her and the rest of the Gay/Gaye family, I imagine. That's not something that can be easily forgiven.

Janis was what Zeola Gaye said she was. It was the truth and i don't have problem with it.

[midnightman]

I believe that was it. It was broken up into 4-5 parts. That's all I'm saying is it looks hypocrite for the family. No disrespect. But don't whoop and holler about your father's/husband music with Blurred Lines. But then they can't get together amongst each other to preserve Marvin's legacy. They have been going at this for almost 4 decades. Who do we go to about that?

It is quite messy.

[marv2]

I believe that was it. It was broken up into 4-5 parts. That's all I'm saying is it looks hypocrite for the family. No disrespect. But don't whoop and holler about your father's/husband music with Blurred Lines. But then they can't get together amongst each other to preserve Marvin's legacy. They have been going at this for almost 4 decades. Who do we go to about that?

Maybe Berry Gordy could step in there. He is after all a relative. He's Marvin III's uncle and Marvin Gaye's former brother in law.

[Roberta75]

Maybe Berry Gordy could step in there. He is after all a relative. He's Marvin III's uncle and Marvin Gaye's former brother in law.

Thats just bullcrap. The things that you make up. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Mr Gordy is 88 and isnt interested in getting into and Gaye sibling family fightin.

[RanRan79]

Thats just bullcrap. The things that you make up. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Mr Gordy is 88 and isnt interested in getting into and Gaye sibling family fightin.

What's made up? Berry Gordy is Marvin III's uncle. Marv suggested Gordy might step in, not that Gordy had stepped in. And I don't think it's a bad idea if Gordy cares to do it.

[Roberta75]

What's made up? Berry Gordy is Marvin III's uncle. Marv suggested Gordy might step in, not that Gordy had stepped in. And I don't think it's a bad idea if Gordy cares to do it.

IMO Bery Gordy aint getting involved in no Gaye sibling family drama imo.