The supremes lady is a tramp may 67

**TomatoTom123** · 07-28-2017, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by John G. Stumpf

No my Uncle did. He wants nothing to do with the music industry anymore. He played a big role in Sheena Easton's career. He has all of these great pictures that I used to look at when I used to stay at his house. There was a big party to celebrate the success of Diana Ross' One Woman Collection and she was there. He is waiting to verify Bluebrock's name on the company roster before he will send them to me. He is very cynical and thinks everyone is a fraud or a con artist. I guess you can't be too careful these days. I think you are very nice and I hope to have a good time here.

As soon as I get Bluebrock's name and my Uncle can verify his identity I can share the photos so tell him to hurry up!

Welcome John! Actually, can I ask, are you the actual John G. Stumpf, former chief executive of Wells Fargo, or just a fan of his? Or are you someone else who is called John G. Stumpf which means it's just a coincidence?!

Forgive my stoopid questions, lol

**TomatoTom123** · 07-28-2017, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

No, here is where Roberta tried disparaging people from buying Al Abrams book "Hype & Soul". He could have just said that he was not interested, but no. He goes on and on about it is not worth the money [[before ever even seeing the book) and that he should spend his money on a pedicure instead and then went on and on and on about waiting for it at his local library, while encouraging others to do so.. Now was all that necessary? No! All of Roberta's bullshit hurt and angered Al. He did not understand why Roberta was doing that to him and his book!

Check it out if you like:

https://soulfuldetroit.com/showthrea...ight=Hype+Soul

Hey Marv, I wasn't around for that thread and don't know much about it, but from reading though it, Roberta doesn't seem too rude or disrespectful towards Al or his book. $75 is quite lot of money that was probably the point she was trying to make, not that the book is not worth it. And Roberta does still want to read it, just in her local library.

Forgive me for putting words in your mouth Roberta... BTW did you ever find a copy of the book in your library? Did you get to read it? Looks good.

**marv2** · 07-28-2017, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by TomatoTom123

Hey Marv, I wasn't around for that thread and don't know much about it, but from reading though it, Roberta doesn't seem too rude or disrespectful towards Al or his book. $75 is quite lot of money that was probably the point she was trying to make, not that the book is not worth it. And Roberta does still want to read it, just in her local library.

Forgive me for putting words in your mouth Roberta... BTW did you ever find a copy of the book in your library? Did you get to read it? Looks good.

Roberta75 was very rude and tried to get people not to buy Al Abrams book. Luckily not many people liked or respected what Roberta had to say about it and bought it any way. It is a great book and one of my treasures. You weren't around like you said, so you don't know everything about that situation.

**Roberta75** · 07-28-2017, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by TomatoTom123

Hey Marv, I wasn't around for that thread and don't know much about it, but from reading though it, Roberta doesn't seem too rude or disrespectful towards Al or his book. $75 is quite lot of money that was probably the point she was trying to make, not that the book is not worth it. And Roberta does still want to read it, just in her local library.

Forgive me for putting words in your mouth Roberta... BTW did you ever find a copy of the book in your library? Did you get to read it? Looks good.

You are correct my dear TomatoTom. My post speak for themself and I stand by them and yes I did read mr Abrams book and it was a lovely book with Motown Record press releases and press clippings.

Given Mr Abrams rich history and decades in the music publicity business I doubt I hurt his feelings in anyway. Thats just another fabricattion by the resident sh*t stirrer.

**Roberta75** · 07-28-2017, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

sHe was very rude and tried to get people not to buy Al Abrams book. Luckily not many people liked or respected what Roberta had to say about it and bought it any way. It is a great book and one of treasures. You're weren't around so you don't know everything about that situation.

oh stop it. My posts in the thread you posted are not rude and I didnt try to get people to not buy it. Your making stuff up again dear.

**RanRan79** · 07-29-2017, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by antceleb12

Exactly. And, as it has been pointed out, Florence's family was never objective about what she relayed to them. As Mary pointed out, Diana's mother would often put her in her place if she saw Diana do something wrong. Mother Ross was never one to take sides. However, Florence's family always seemed to support Florence's resentment and not provide a balance to her ever-growing resentment [[which, understandably, was probably aimed to shield her, considering her rape).

In regards to the Ballards you have to keep in mind that whatever they had to say about what Flo was going through was based off of what Florence told them, not necessarily anything they witnessed themselves. Sure Mrs. Ross was impartial when she saw Diana getting out of line, but I can't imagine she was any more quick than Mrs. Ballard would have been had she ever witnessed any of Florence's out of line moments. If Flo was painting herself as this victim of Motown to her family I would think it would be hard for them to hear her side and decide to remain impartial, as it would for any family.

Originally Posted by antceleb12

I would tend to agree, but by the seventies Florence was so beaten down she was fully willing to not step foot on a stage again. While I believe her heart wanted to, I think her spirit was beat and I'm wondering if her dismissal from the group was the beginning of the end. I would also point out that yes Florence was fired, but she also never put up a fight about being fired, either. Both times. In fact, earlier that year, she was taken home after an incident in Tennessee and it's interesting to note that, while on the road, Florence was miserable and depressed. However, after each time she was sent home - Tennessee, her initial dismissal at Gordy's in April '67, and her final dismissal in Vegas - Florence actually left rather passively. As much as I don't think she wanted to leave the Supremes, I think she knew she had to, but was unwilling to quit. My guess is she knew it was for the best. While I know she loved to sing, I also know Florence would rather have been close to her family [[who was always close). That's why I don't think Florence was necessarily yearning for that type of stardom again. I truly believed the massive success of the Supremes burnt her out.

Florence was beaten down because she decided to fight a losing battle. She knew she made a mistake signing with ABC the minute she met the label head and he tells her he's a friend of Gordy's and it's not good to switch record labels. When she was dropped by ABC I think Flo would have made another attempt with another record label. But finding out the lawyer had stolen her money and then believing that Motown still owed her money, she enters into this all consuming legal battle, all the while having marital problems [[with a husband who surely wasn't good for her thought process), an alcohol problem [[which is known to effect a person's decision making), and raising kids [[also known to effect a person's decision making, LOL). Who wouldn't have been beaten down by all of that? That's a lot for a young woman to take on. I don't think she was tired of singing, but I do think she lost her voice [[in a metaphorical sense) in the midst of all of this. And again, when she began to get things back on track it was singing she knew she needed and where her mind was at.

As for the times she was fired I don't think she felt like there was anything more she could do. Gordy held all the power and the two people who held some power in the situation- Diana and Mary- refused to speak up for her. According to everything I've read, Florence was very vocal about how she felt in regards to the way things were going in the group. If Gordy heard her and still said "fuck Flo", what good would Florence speaking up have done at the meeting when she was fired the first time? Sure, Gordy had enough home training not to get crazy with Mrs. Ballard sitting there, but his sentiment would've still been the same: he didn't care what Florence thought or what she wanted. If she wasn't going to ride the train without an opinion, he'd shove her ass off. Lol What's a girl to do in that situation?

During the Vegas firing, according to Flo she did tell Gordy she wasn't leaving the group and she was going on stage. In the end she didn't [[boy wouldn't that have been something for folks to talk about!), probably because she knew it would do no good. The only reason Flo was even allowed back after the first firing was so Gordy could work out Cindy's contract situation at Atlantic. When that was done he just waited on the moment- any moment- that he could tell Flo to take a hike for good. There was nothing Florence could've done to get him to change his mind that night. Only possible prayer she had was Diana and Mary hemming Gordy up Brewster Project style and demanding Florence be allowed to stay. And we know that wasn't about to happen...by either Diana or Mary.

**RanRan79** · 07-29-2017, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by John G. Stumpf

No my Uncle did. He wants nothing to do with the music industry anymore. He played a big role in Sheena Easton's career. He has all of these great pictures that I used to look at when I used to stay at his house. There was a big party to celebrate the success of Diana Ross' One Woman Collection and she was there. He is waiting to verify Bluebrock's name on the company roster before he will send them to me. He is very cynical and thinks everyone is a fraud or a con artist. I guess you can't be too careful these days. I think you are very nice and I hope to have a good time here.

As soon as I get Bluebrock's name and my Uncle can verify his identity I can share the photos so tell him to hurry up!

I'm a bit confused, but why would your uncle need Bluebrock's real name in order to allow you to post pics of a Diana Ross party? I could understand if your intention was to send the photos to Bluebrock privately and keep it all a private matter, but if your intention is to post the photos here on this public forum, what does Bluebrock even have to do with it? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I speak for everyone when I say we're all a little ill at ease when someone requests personal information on the internet.