Classic Soul JAMS!

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

The lead singer of GQ must have been a huge Billy Stewart fan because they covered a few of his song. Everybody remembers their version of "I Do Love You". This is one of the best of those covers.

I agree on both those points, Jerry.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Charlie Wilson was pure personality back then. He absolutely sold the Gap Band's records with his energy and ad libs. Every fast track was just fun.

And now another generation is reveling in "Uncle Charlie's" brilliance; thanks to R. Kelly's, "First Name Charlie, Last Name Wison." Even rappers love Uncle.Charlie! At one point, he was singing on most hip-hop records & award shows!!

Maybe someone should start a thread on R. Kelly's positive attributes: resurrecting funk & r&b acts; Charlie Wilson [[Uncle Charlie), Ron Isley [[Mr. Big), etc.

Oh. Before I go, whatever happened to the rest of the GAP Band? Didn't they all hail from the same home town? Hence the group's name was an acronym of the streets of that town.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by nativeNY63

And now another generation is reveling in "Uncle Charlie's" brilliance; thanks to R. Kelly's, "First Name Charlie, Last Name Wison." Even rappers love Uncle.Charlie! At one point, he was singing on most hip-hop records & award shows!!

Maybe someone should start a thread on R. Kelly's positive attributes: resurrecting funk & r&b acts; Charlie Wilson [[Uncle Charlie), Ron Isley [[Mr. Big), etc.

Oh. Before I go, whatever happened to the rest of the GAP Band? Didn't they all hail from the same home town? Hence the group's name was an acronym of the streets of that town.

Robert died in 2010. He was only 53.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guit...on-dies-271758

The last I heard about Ronnie was when he sued Charlie, who prevented him from using the Gap Band name in local gigs around their hometown of Tulsa. Messy situation that probably has a very ugly back story.
https://eurweb.com/2015/11/25/gap-ba...harlie-wilson/

Music industry is a meat grinder.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Another Babyface record. This was before the Deele. I'm not sure if it led to the Deele signing with SOLAR.

One of the Calloways went to my high school in ATL. He was a couple years ahead of me, though.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

"All aboard!"

"Don't miss that train. Don't miss the party train!"

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

And when Teddy Pendergrass left Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, he was the hottest soul artist in the world. He was selling out concerts for ladies only! Yeah, his light waned much too soon and it was sad how it flickered out, but this brother was fire. He's still a first-name-only star. Michael. Diana [[yes). Teddy. RIP.

"I think I'd better let it go. Looks like another love tko!"

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Ronald Isley might be the most underrated soul singer of all since he was part of a family ensemble. But have no doubt, the Isley Brothers were great as a band - really, really great in my opinion - but Ronald's voice made a great band even better. I'm a huge fan of the T-Neck years.

Still can't believe he was once married to the gorgeous 👼 Winbush! [[Angel- Rene & Angela) Talk about musical royalty!!

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

This song was sublime. I don't think there's another Isley song with a similar arrangement and Ernie's guitar solos knock it out of the park. People in my neighborhood played this out but it didn't get played a lot on the radio. I'm not even sure it was a single.

Ernie Isley's guitar riffs are underrated.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Boz Scaggs' "Jojo" might not be considered a soul song, but if not then I think of it as such. He toed the line between pop and soul in my opinion.

Jerry, add "Dirty Lowdown" to that same consideration.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by TomatoTom123

I have to say Jerry that is quite impressive, the level of openness you have to music... your collection must be huge and quite varied! I can never stray too far from the R&B/Soul/Funk genre unfortunately... I enjoy some Rock, but it has to be funky or soulful or jazzy, and I enjoy some jazz, but again it has to be soulful or funky jazz. If things get too rocky or too jazzy they lose me... and I don't even bother with genres like country or metal, which is probably quite closed-minded of me, but there you go.

I try and be open to modern "pop" music as well and as long as it is real and soulful, it’s A-OK on my list. Bruno Mars, Jess Glynne, Charlie Puth, Meghan Trainor, they're all good. Sometimes I do question this, but I think at the end of the day it's OK just to enjoy a bit crossover pop music for what it is!!!!

I read a really strange article recently. Teddy Riley was being honored at the Apollo. And this writer insinuated that Bruno Mars' was the rebirh of Teddy's New Jack Swing sound.

Jerry, Marv, any thoughts on that premise?

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by nativeNY63

I read a really strange article recently. Teddy Riley was being honored at the Apollo. And this writer insinuated that Bruno Mars' was the rebirh of Teddy's New Jack Swing sound.

Jerry, Marv, any thoughts on that premise?

Personally, I think there are a bunch of sounds interwoven in Bruno's music. I like him because he is the first to throw credit to his predecessors and influences. When other artists grumble that he cribbed sections of their songs, he has given them credit and a share of royalties. That's respectful. Regarding New Jack Swing, I might get a little of it from the vocals but Bruno Mars uses "real" instruments in a lot of his songs - bass and electric guitars, live drums, etc. Teddy Riley used almost all synths and drum machines, if I recall correctly. I'd like to read that article but for my thin understanding of music composition, NJS would be a very minor part of how Bruno fashions his songs.

That young woman who went viral for protesting Bruno Mars' "cultural appropriation" needs to shut up, by the way. If someone suggested that Prince's rock songs [[or Lenny Kravitz) were cultural appropriation, there would have been a civil war breaking out.

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 08:14 PM

Some heavy, kickin' deep Soul here :

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 08:15 PM

My baby!!!

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 08:20 PM

Back when being "cool" was everything! Watch the video children. LOL!

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:13 PM

And this one:

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

And this one:

When I hear those two songs, I immediately think 1981, Junior year in college and still not really a care in the World! What happened to them?

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:15 PM

There were a lot of great outfits in the '90s that got off to hot starts before disapearing. I always wondered why Soul 4 Real never followed up their album with more hits. They seemed to be a talented family.

**nativeNY63** · 06-26-2019, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

There were a lot of great outfits in the '90s that got off to hot starts before disapearing. I always wondered why Soul 4 Real never followed up their album with more hits. They seemed to be a talented family.

They were on The Breakfast Club [[YouTube) recently. Seems as if they're going the hip-hop route. The cut was not memorable. Trap Soul, no doubt.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:16 PM

This was the follow up, which I thought was better.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:18 PM

Montell Jordan had a low-key good career. His ego wrecked his personal life and that railroaded his professional life. That's too bad.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:20 PM

This was such a smooth cut. Almost jazz in its rendering.

It kind of reminds me of...

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:23 PM

I Can't Help It by Michael Jackson, which ranks among my favorite songs by him. I wish he would have focused on more diverse music because he typecast himself with the pop output. His range in the end was seriously limited and it didn't need to be. I'm convinced he grew to appreciate his celebrity more than his music.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:24 PM

How in the world is this song not considered one of his better records? I've heard everything else on the radio 100 times but haven't heard this since 1989. That's too bad.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:26 PM

Of course, Siedah Garrett never had the career that her voice should have commanded. Here she is in Dennis Edwards' biggest hit [[without the Temptations).

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Of course, Siedah Garrett never had the career that her voice should have commanded. Here she is in Dennis Edwards' biggest hit [[without the Temptations).

Jerry, this is the 3rd time this one has been posted here. LOL! IT is an all time JAM!

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:28 PM

Another duet with another underappreciated voice [[Syreeta Wright). I used to chill with this song back in the day but only heard it on my mix tapes. Don't know if it played anywhere else.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:30 PM

And here is the song that should have launched her to something grand:

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

And here is the song that should have launched her to something grand:

It should have. It was out for a very long time. I remember when they debuted it on the Mike Douglas Show very early in 1979. It did not become a top hit until 1980.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

And Freddie Jackson somehow flamed out. This dude should still be all over the radio. The last song I heard from him sounded like somebody who was trying to sound like Freddie Jackson. Such a shame.

Back inaday, when he was comedian, Mark Curry's doppelganger!

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Stacy Lattislaw should have had a much longer career. She sang so well for such a young woman. She was 14 or 15 when this one was recorded. If I recall, Narada produced it.

Cut a great single with Johnny Gill later on.

He of course, is still recording today. His voice finally caught up to his age!![[:

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

This is my favorite song by Donna Summer. She really could sing

onna Summer - There will always be a you [[1979)

I agree, Marv. She could definitely"sang" , as they say. Shortly before her death, the pipes were just as strong as they were back in the '70's.

**nativeNY63** · 06-25-2019, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

I already posted "Keep On" by D-Train. I never heard anybody refer to it, but I'd swear there was a "New York Sound" back in the '80s that was underappreciated. Chic was the embodiment of the best of it, but there was ...something... that a lot of NYC artists were doing that I didn't hear in songs from other areas. This song has it.

And like early Prince, he played all the instruments on his albums! All vocals too! For years, I thought D-Train was a band?

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 07:31 PM

For some reason Youtube took done the copy of this I previously upload:

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 08:13 PM

Here's another person that does not get the recognition he deserves.....Gene Chandler:

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:12 PM

Pauli Carman was like Johnny Wilder, Jr. A great voice who never was noticed as much as the band.

**marv2** · 06-25-2019, 09:27 PM

I always like this one by Michael and Patti Austin.

**Jerry Oz** · 06-25-2019, 09:51 PM

I love song facts. There have been many accidental hits. There are also a bunch of songs that we remember played in clubs and at parties that were not actually hits because they were never released as singles. Sounds like With You I'm Born Again was nearly one of those until somebody finally wised up.

**marv2** · 06-26-2019, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

I love song facts. There have been many accidental hits. There are also a bunch of songs that we remember played in clubs and at parties that were not actually hits because they were never released as singles. Sounds like With You I'm Born Again was nearly one of those until somebody finally wised up.

Exactly. Some of those songs we heard in club were never even commercially released and just made for club play. They had what they called "DJ Pools" that they used to circulate those types of records.