IS SDF Turmning Into a You Tube Promo arena

[copley]

I love posts with music links as sometimes it may be the 1st occasion that I have ever heard the song or seem the video. SDF is a music forum and videos are a part of the discussion.

[soulster]

Then perhaps you should consider using your work computer for WORK. I'm a member of several message boards, music and non music related, and this is the first time I've EVER heard complaints about embedded youtube videos. I mean, if they didn't pertain to the conversation, i'd understand that.. but they always do, as far as I can see.

Then you'd better go back and read the entire thread, because I have the same complaints as Motown_M-1056. But, I don't surf the internet on a work computer. I want discussion, not a bunch of gratuitous YouTube vids with no explanation.

I understand it's a new novelty to some people, but i've been on message boards for over a decade, and having constant links to stuff is annoying.

Now, I started two threads with AUDIO links of songs to discuss. Neither one of them got any responses whatsoever. I finally removed the sound sources. But, if they had been video links, i'll bet they would be sizable threads. Why? It seems that, despite this being a forum about MUSIC, most of our active readers are visually oriented. I blame MTV and the dominance of home video for this. I remember the days when people didn't need no stinkin' visuals to understand music.

Then you better not do anything at work to make your bosses want to fire you, because if they decide they no longer want you around, they will look at your work computer internet usage and notice you're on the internet at a music forum making posts and playing videos when you should be working and they'll use it as a documented cause to let you go.

Consider that the person my have his/her own business and can do whatever on their work computer.

I love posts with music links as sometimes it may be the 1st occasion that I have ever heard the song or seem the video. SDF is a music forum and videos are a part of the discussion.

How about AUDIO-omly links?

[Motown_M_1056]

Them you'd better go back and read the entire thread, because I have the same complaints as Motown_M-1056. But, I don't surf the internet on a work computer. I want discussion, not a bunch of gratuitous YouTube vids with no explanation.

I understand it's a new novelty to some people, but i've been on message boards for over a decade, and having constant links to stuff is annoying.

Now, I started two threads with AUDIO links of songs to discuss. Neither one of them got any responses whatsoever. I finally removed the sound sources. But, if they had been video links, i'll bet they would be sizable threads. Why? It seems that, despite this being a forum about MUSIC, most of our active readers are visually oriented. I blame MTV and the dominance of home video for this. I remember the days when people didn't need no stinkin' visuals to understand music.




Consider that the person my have his/her own business and can do whatever on their work computer.





How about AUDIO-omly links?

Thanks Soulster, very well put. Audio-only links would be cool or references to where members can find the CD or album on Amazon.com. We should be discussing music more, expressing why we like something. Instead we get too many posts that say: "This is a cool record..." followed by a YouTube link.
usually ask: "OK, But why do you like it? and "Why do I need to see a video on Vicki Carr or the Cowsills on Soulful Detroit?"

My work computer is for that purpose: WORK. It doesn't have FLASH and other bells & whistles for game playing and video & movie watching. It has the internet because I need to check stocks, weather conditions, etc.

[smark21]

Thanks Soulster, very well put. Audio-only links would be cool or references to where members can find the CD or album on Amazon.com. We should be discussing music more, expressing why we like something. Instead we get too many posts that say: "This is a cool record..." followed by a YouTube link.
usually ask: "OK, But why do you like it? and "Why do I need to see a video on Vicki Carr or the Cowsills on Soulful Detroit?"

My work computer is for that purpose: WORK. It doesn't have FLASH and other bells & whistles for game playing and video & movie watching. It has the internet because I need to check stocks, weather conditions, etc.

Wow--your business must be doing poorly if you can't afford to buy better computers for yourself and your employees. Hopefully the economy will improve and things will get better for you. Though you may want to consider investing in upgrading your technology or your business may be left in the dust. As it stands right now [[I'm only speculating as I don't know what field you're in), you may very well not be securing clients because your tech is behind the times.

[smark21]

[QUOTE=Motown_M_1056;19181]

You know what they say about assuming things you don't know. You basically make an ASS out of you, yourself and you too. LOL I see I have another ass for my ignore list. BOOP!

Oh boo hoo hoo...I'm on your ignore list! And honey, I might have made some presumptions, but you're the one who pretty much admitted that your computers at work are behind the times and that you have plenty of spare time at your business to post here at SDF during business hours. This forum was finally upgraded to allow for posting of embedded links. Perhaps Ralph should set up a low tech sub-forum here for people like yourself whose technology is obsolete. The only thing permissible at the low tech forum would be typing messages...no links, no pics, no sound, no embedded youtube. We could call it the Dinosaur room.

[soulster]

You Tube vids do not tax my computer. I've got good broadband, a powerful processor, plenty of memory, use Chrome and Firefox, and good security. My complaint is that people post vids with no context or opinion. And they do clutter up the screen and distract from discussion.

It is a waste of my time when a whole thread is started with only a video as the first post. There is usually no indication of this in the thread title. Granted, I started my audio threads in the same way, but I also intended for there to be some discussion about the song. Videos seem to somehow remove the need for much musical. Sometimes, the thread turns into a discussion about the visual aspects, or what someone was wearing, what concert venue it was, ect. I guess the difference with me is that i'm old school. When it comes to music, I don't need to SEE it to enjoy it.

Again, I am not anti-video or anti-YouTube. I have posted one or two here to make points or to show examples when no other means were available. I do prefer those YouTube vids that do not have any active vids with the music, maybe just a photo of an album cover, record label, or printed words is good for me. That way, I concentrate on the music.

[Motown_M_1056]

You Tube vids do not tax my computer. I've got good broadband, a powerful processor, plenty of memory, use Chrome and Firefox, and good security. My complaint is that people post vids with no context or opinion. And they do clutter up the screen and distract from discussion.

It is a waste of my time when a whole thread is started with only a video as the first post. There is usually no indication of this in the thread title. Granted, I started my audio threads in the same way, but I also intended for there to be some discussion about the song. Videos seem to somehow remove the need for much musical. Sometimes, the thread turns into a discussion about the visual aspects, or what someone was wearing, what concert venue it was, ect. I guess the difference with me is that i'm old school. When it comes to music, I don't need to SEE it to enjoy it.

Again, I am not anti-video or anti-YouTube. I have posted one or two here to make points or to show examples when no other means were available. I do prefer those YouTube vids that do not have any active vids with the music, maybe just a photo of an album cover, record label, or printed words is good for me. That way, I concentrate on the music.

Soulster, don't bother defending or explaining what you have technology wise) to some people. I understood your view, particularly the part about not having to see some video to enjoy the music.

Notice the ones who responded to our posts; the ones smarting off at their keyboards - are the ones most guilty of the offense.

I'm amazed they didn't throw in another YouTube link to help them make their point or express themselves like they always do.

[soulster]

I just remember when this forum started and there were a lot of people saying how immature using the ignore feature is, yet all sorts of people are using it.

[Motown_M_1056]

I just remember when this forum started and there were a lot of people saying how immature using the ignore feature is, yet all sorts of people are using it.

I know I am. There are just some people that I don't need to hear from ever in life. Isn't Democracy cool? Another nice thing about the ignore feature is that it works both ways or for everybody. Using it makes your time on the forum a lot more pleasant.

[soulster]

I have three people blocked. Too bad we can't remove the annoying reminder that someone is blocked. Some forums completely and totally remove the existience of an ignored member. It's so cool! Even their profile and quotes from others disappear.

[jillfoster]

You Tube vids do not tax my computer. I've got good broadband, a powerful processor, plenty of memory, use Chrome and Firefox, and good security. My complaint is that people post vids with no context or opinion. And they do clutter up the screen and distract from discussion.

It is a waste of my time when a whole thread is started with only a video as the first post. There is usually no indication of this in the thread title. Granted, I started my audio threads in the same way, but I also intended for there to be some discussion about the song. Videos seem to somehow remove the need for much musical. Sometimes, the thread turns into a discussion about the visual aspects, or what someone was wearing, what concert venue it was, ect. I guess the difference with me is that i'm old school. When it comes to music, I don't need to SEE it to enjoy it.

Again, I am not anti-video or anti-YouTube. I have posted one or two here to make points or to show examples when no other means were available. I do prefer those YouTube vids that do not have any active vids with the music, maybe just a photo of an album cover, record label, or printed words is good for me. That way, I concentrate on the music.

I understand what your'e saying, soulster... but I tend to always have accompanying comments with mine. I use it for demonstration purposes. I understand your issue with threads started with embedded youtube and no accompanying type. I've never done that, to be sure. This next part is not directed at you, soulster... as far as me posting a Cowsill's video, it was in a thread I started about teen artists with voices beyond their years.. and most the videos I posted in that thread were unique TV appearances, not just the record posted over generic crap. And in the case of the Cowsills video, a song performed on Barbara McNair's show, and never appearing on record. And I did an audio link only to Vikki Carr, not a youtube video, to compare her and the Surpemes version of "I Keep It Hid". In a thread about Motown covers, that link would be interesting to some, because that SAME album also has a cover of "Ain't No Mountain high Enough". This has always been a music forum, and all genres are discussed, and YES... sometimes non-soul artists cover songs made popular by soul artists. And "I Keep It Hid" Isn't soul music anyway... it was a pop ballad written by Jimmy Webb. Are we supposed to not discuss that, either? If you don't have something as simple as a flash player on your computer... something that the front page of many regular websites use... I don't know what to tell you.

[Motown_M_1056]

I have three people blocked. Too bad we can't remove the annoying reminder that someone is blocked. Some forums completely and totally remove the existience of an ignored member. It's so cool! Even their profile and quotes from others disappear.

That would be cool, total elimination forever. Like I said, ignore works both ways. I don't get how some people see your user name beside a thread and they know they don't agree with anything you have to say, but they open the thread and post a dumb comment behind you anyway.
If I get on your nerves that much, ignore me, put me on your ignore list and.don't follow me around on the forum.

But if they didn't follow me or be so interested in me and what I've said, they'd have absolutely nothing to say or to contribute
.

[jobeterob]

One day I will decide to fire me from my job for looking in at SD during my breaks; sometimes a secretary comes in and looks knowingly over her glasses at me. I have heard a story of an accountant looking at porn on his computer when an articled student walked in ~ the guy says "Whew, lucky it was only you.............to the student."

[jillfoster]

haha, Rob... the thing is, nearly every modern message board on the net is equipped with the the youtube embed function. If it's something that should never be used, why do nearly all message boards have it? Now, a recipe forum wouldn't use youtube nearly as much as a music forum would, I'd think it depends on the nature of your forum, and what you discuss. That's why I think soulster's assertions are reasonable, while Motown_M_1056's are not. I think using youtube videos for demnstration purposes, and ALWAYS with some accompanying comment is reasonable. But bringing the entire forum back into the stone ages because you refuse to have flash player on your computer is patently ridiculous.

[soulster]

That would be cool, total elimination forever. Like I said, ignore works both ways. I don't get how some people see your user name beside a thread and they know they don't agree with anything you have to say, but they open the thread and post a dumb comment behind you anyway.
If I get on your nerves that much, ignore me, put me on your ignore list and.don't follow me around on the forum.
.

Oh, no, you're cool with me!

[Motown_M_1056]

Oh, no, you're cool with me!

As you are with me, Soulster. And no way was I referring to You or Grapevine, who has a thread of YouTube items. I know you guys are passionate about music and like discussing it and can describe or explain why you dislike or like something without a YouTube video.
No way was I saying ban all YouTube links, but many times they aren't really needed because most of us have vast music libraries and we know who some artist is and what they've recorded. We don't need the video reenforcement.

[jillfoster]

That would be cool, total elimination forever. Like I said, ignore works both ways. I don't get how some people see your user name beside a thread and they know they don't agree with anything you have to say, but they open the thread and post a dumb comment behind you anyway.
If I get on your nerves that much, ignore me, put me on your ignore list and.don't follow me around on the forum.

But if they didn't follow me or be so interested in me and what I've said, they'd have absolutely nothing to say or to contribute
.

Just because two posters are always interested in Supremes threads, that certainly does not mean that one is following the other. As a Matter of fact, acting like it's a problem is simply one person's feeble attempt to eliminate anyone else challenging them on their BS by keeping them out of the threads they post in. Your'e not fooling anybody here. Nobody is following you, just like Marv and Topdiva aren't following me because we have the same intrests and post in the same threads. And any of these same people you claim "follow" you post in other threads you never look at...and you don't know this because well... you never look at them. And for the record, if embedded youtube is loading too slowly for anyone, all you have to do is hit the red X at the top of your browser, which stops loading the page. All the text in the posts will load, and the embedded youtube will just be little red X's.

[marxthespot]

[QUOTE=Motown_M_1056;19167]

Then you better not do anything at work to make your bosses want to fire you, because if they decide they no longer want you around, they will look at your work computer internet usage and notice you're on the internet at a music forum making posts and playing videos when you should be working and they'll use it as a documented cause to let you go.[/QUOTE[



One of the benefits of owning a business is that I can do exactly as I please. I don't have to worry about someone else checking my work computer to see what I'm doing. Who's gonna let me go? Me? Not hardly. I AM THE BOSS!
It is a pain and costly constantly relying on my computer techs to make things right again because of errors and other problems caused by YouTube links.
Thank you very much.

Maybe the computer techs should be the ones running the business....

[Kamasu_Jr]

[QUOTE=marxthespot;19562]

Maybe the computer techs should be the ones running the business....

Why are people still commenting on something that doesn't effect them? Motown_M_1056 made his point days ago and moved on. Seems he was also right about some people following him around on the forum. Some nosey people need to spend more time in their own business than they do meddling in somebody else's.

[tamla617]

if someone checked?cause for sacking?
are we still talking about youtube vids on sdf?
not sure how many people can stand a good checking/100%.thats perfection [[no chance) the words cast,1st and stone spring to mind

[marybrewster]

It's getting out of hand.

[robbert]

Why are The S... dragged into this thread, too?

In the discussion about Don't Mess With Bill and about The Marvelettes/Wanda Rogers and Ian Levine, I threw in a YouTube vid of that song with better sound and pic quality than the one the original poster used. Simple as that... sometimes you can enhance the quality of a discussion with an appropriate piece of music, snippet or more.
I don't see any harm in the occasional YouTube vid, or an URL to it [[that's what I mostly use).
Occiasionally...