Will President Obama be re-elected?

**jobeterob** · 10-19-2012, 07:28 PM

I know this is a mainly Democratic audience..........but......

Is he gonna make it?

It looks increasingly tight.

**soulster** · 10-19-2012, 08:04 PM

God I hope so! If Romney Hood and Lyin' Ryan get in, this country will be in a world of shit, and that ain't no lie! Today's republiKKKans and anti-Black, anti-immigrant, anti-diversity, anti-woman, anti-jobs, anti-gay, anti-middle-class, anti-poor, anti-anything except evangelical christian, anti-truth, anti-youth...I could go on.

I could really believe Romney is the antchrist! This time, it fits.

**Jerry Oz** · 10-19-2012, 08:35 PM

I'm bummed by the fact that somehow this race is tight when the only true constituency for Romney is the top 5% money controllers. The total lack of logic that the president's detractors have used to relative success is perplexing, to say the least. I believe the president will be re-elected, but it's close enough that all of the dirty dealing is a concern. There have been reports of destroyed voter registration cards, official boards of election giving false election dates to citizens in Democratic areas, and Republican state representatives going to the ends of the Earth to disenfranchise Democratic voters. They're trying way too hard to win and I don't think settle for anything other than their guy winning, even if he doesn't.

**ralpht** · 10-19-2012, 09:53 PM

I'm still contending that it will be a land slide for the President.

**soulster** · 10-20-2012, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

I'm bummed by the fact that somehow this race is tight when the only true constituency for Romney is the top 5% money controllers. The total lack of logic that the president's detractors have used to relative success is perplexing, to say the least. I believe the president will be re-elected, but it's close enough that all of the dirty dealing is a concern. There have been reports of destroyed voter registration cards, official boards of election giving false election dates to citizens in Democratic areas, and Republican state representatives going to the ends of the Earth to disenfranchise Democratic voters. They're trying way too hard to win and I don't think settle for anything other than their guy winning, even if he doesn't.

You have a lot of "low information" voters out there who don't keep up with what's going on in the election, or much of anything at all. They see a few things, listen to a few people, and make snap decisions based on that.

I will say that I will never...NEVER vote for any republiKKKan again! First, they don't want my vote, and have done nothing to convince me to vote for them. They have managed to insult me, and everyone else. They are liars, cheaters, greedy with no ethics or morals, and bigots, and those are not the kind of people I want in any office. I'm not saying that there are Democrats like that, but the gop is the absolute worst.

I socially align myself with Libertarians, but will have nothing to do with their views on economics, which is pretty much aligned with the republicans. They are the ultimate free-market nuts who would reduce everyone to pretty much slaves.

**soulster** · 10-20-2012, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by ralpht

I'm still contending that it will be a land slide for the President.

I pray you're right, because it's pretty split right now. I just hope the voter suppression doesn't work. Tonight on MSNBC, I saw that some young guy has been arrested for throwing away registration forms. Guess which party he is an operative for?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1983384.html

**robb_k** · 10-20-2012, 12:44 AM

Neither party represents the main bulk of the population in USA. But The Democrats at least throw a few bones to the people, now and then. The Republicans are downright cruel to all but the richest 7-8% of the population. So, I'd rather have The Democrats in than The Republicans. Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who MIGHT represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in USA within 20-30 years. I hope I'm not around to see that happen, even if I'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that The Americans will take over Canada and ruin it. I hope that IF all of that will happen, it will occur after I'm long gone from this Earth.

**soulster** · 10-20-2012, 03:08 AM

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Neither party represents the main bulk of the population in USA.

These days, the Democrats do indeed represent the interests of the majority of U.S.. It's popular these days to slag off both parties and declare independence, but even independents lean one way or the other. That's just what you get with a dominant two-party system.

Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who MIGHT represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

There are several parties, some of whom are in congress today. The majority of the others are Libertarians. But, they still don't represent the majority of people.

All of the parties have something attractive about their current platform. It's all that other crap that is offensive to someone. With the republican platform as it is today, I am not anywhere near them. The Libertarians are pretty bad too in many ways. Everyone is just too extreme. It seems the further you pin to one side or the other, the more you are respected, the more votes you get, and if you try to come down the middle and meet the other side half-way, you are considered weak, a traitor. Oh, everyone says they want cooperation in Washington, but they just meat that they want the other side to see things their way.

You also have the Green Party, and the Socialist Party, among others, but they get no real traction.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in USA within 20-30 years. I hope I'm not around to see that happen, even if I'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that The Americans will take over Canada and ruin it. I hope that IF all of that will happen, it will occur after I'm long gone from this Earth.

If Willard Mitt Romney Thurston Howell the IV gets in, that may happen sooner than you think. You better start building your fence on your border with us!

**Jerry Oz** · 10-20-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by soulster

I pray you're right, because it's pretty split right now. I just hope the voter suppression doesn't work. Tonight on MSNBC, I saw that some young guy has been arrested for throwing away registration forms. Guess which party he is an operative for?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1983384.html

In Arizona, the Maricopa County Board of Elections mailed voting fact sheets to registered voters. It listed November 6 as the voting date in English on one side and November 8 as the date in Spanish on the other.

I'm sure it was just a coincidence, though. [[Sarcasm off)

**Jerry Oz** · 10-20-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by robb_k

Neither party represents the main bulk of the population in USA. But The Democrats at least throw a few bones to the people, now and then. The Republicans are downright cruel to all but the richest 7-8% of the population. So, I'd rather have The Democrats in than The Republicans. Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who MIGHT represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in USA within 20-30 years. I hope I'm not around to see that happen, even if I'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that The Americans will take over Canada and ruin it. I hope that IF all of that will happen, it will occur after I'm long gone from this Earth.

Without a third party, 90% of the people will continue to be held hostage by fringe elements of the right and left. I am typically conservative fiscally, but progressive socially and I don't have anyone who will move to the center to represent my interests. If I'm Republican, I have to be for their far-right platform and if I'm Democrat, I have to buy in 100% to what they stump for. I'm closer to the Democrats than the Republicans, but I have no voice regardless of who I vote for.

With that said, it will be a dark day if Romney is elected.

**timmyfunk** · 10-20-2012, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by ralpht

I'm still contending that it will be a land slide for the President.

That's a pretty bold statement, Ralph. Let's hope you are correct.

**arrr&bee** · 10-20-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by robb_k

neither party represents the main bulk of the population in usa. But the democrats at least throw a few bones to the people, now and then. The republicans are downright cruel to all but the richest 7-8% of the population. So, i'd rather have the democrats in than the republicans. Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who might represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in usa within 20-30 years. I hope i'm not around to see that happen, even if i'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that the americans will take over canada and ruin it. I hope that if all of that will happen, it will occur after i'm long gone from this earth.

haaaaaaaaaaa,hey robb,didn't america try that back in[1812]and didn't ya'll kick the crap out of em??no my friend america ain't stupid they will need all the help they can get from canada when the mexican drug cartels storm the borders and head north!!

**marv2** · 10-20-2012, 05:21 PM

I sincerely hope so. Things are not great right now, but we cannot afford to take huge steps backwards as I feel we as a nation would if Romney/Ryan are elected. I do believe that Pres. Obama has the most interest in improving things for the majority of America.

**robb_k** · 10-20-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by arrr&bee

Haaaaaaaaaaa,hey Robb,didn't America try that back in[1812]and didn't ya'll kick the crap out of em??No my friend America ain't stupid they will need all the help they can get from Canada when the Mexican drug cartels storm the borders and head north!!

The Mexican cartels will not be the problem. It will be millions of starving Latin Americans, and possibly other millions of Asians and Africans.

The British in Canada were able to hold off The Americans in 1812, as the US had only perhaps twice the population of Canada back then[[perhaps only 1-2 million more), and The US armed forces were, perhaps roughly the same size as the British military forces in North America. Now, USA has 300 million people to Canada's 32 million [[TEN TIMES the size). The US armed forces is probably at least 5-7 times as large, and their industrial capability [[which won them World War II) has got to be MANY times as large as Canada's. If USA wants to conquer Canada,they could do it easily, unless Canada gets most of the rest of The World as allies. EVEN with that, those allies, being far removed, would be powerless to help in the first wave invasion [[as Britain and France could not help Poland against Germany in WWII).

**soulster** · 10-20-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by timmyfunk

That's a pretty bold statement, Ralph. Let's hope you are correct.

I know other people who have said this. But I think they give people too much credit for being intelligent and properly informed.

I hope they are right.

**soulster** · 10-20-2012, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

I sincerely hope so. Things are not great right now, but we cannot afford to take huge steps backwards as I feel we as a nation would if Romney/Ryan are elected. I do believe that Pres. Obama has the most interest in improving things for the majority of America.

The one thing I really wish the democrats and Obama would stress is that we need a filibuster-proof House and Senate majority. It's not enough to get Obama re-elected, but to have a congress that will work with him and won't obstruct. We need to get rid of these red-dog democrats and tea-bagger republiKKKans. If we can do all three, then this country will fully recover.

The problem with Democrats is that they get too positive and complacent when things look like they could go their way. they really don't like to think that the voters can really be that stupid, but we have seen time and time again that they can be and often are. The Democrats should be leaving NOTHING to chance. Fight with all their might, and beware of the republiKKKan lies, divisiveness, and intimidation tactics. They always work. We can't let it work. Like that little "mistake" on the Spanish side of the Maricopa County ballots, where they state that election day is the 8th instead of the 6th. Little things like that hurt. All those billboards in Black and poor communities in Ohio? There should be forces out battling this, person by person.

**marv2** · 10-20-2012, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by soulster

The one thing I really wish the democrats and Obama would stress is that we need a filibuster-proof House and Senate majority. It's not enough to get Obama re-elected, but to have a congress that will work with him and won't obstruct. We need to get rid of these red-dog democrats and tea-bagger republiKKKans. If we can do all three, then this country will fully recover.

The problem with Democrats is that they get too positive and complacent when things look like they could go their way. they really don't like to think that the voters can really be that stupid, but we have seen time and time again that they can be and often are. The Democrats should be leaving NOTHING to chance. Fight with all their might, and beware of the republiKKKan lies, divisiveness, and intimidation tactics. They always work. We can't let it work. Like that little "mistake" on the Spanish side of the Maricopa County ballots, where they state that election day is the 8th instead of the 6th. Little things like that hurt. All those billboards in Black and poor communities in Ohio? There should be forces out battling this, person by person.

I agree wholeheartedly. Even with an abundance of sources for news and information, there are many in the U.S. that are uninformed about the proposed policies of the two candidates and their respective parties. It frustrates me to no end.....

**jobeterob** · 10-20-2012, 08:36 PM

We it seems there is no hope of a democratic congress and there likely will be a democratic senate. And who knows who will be President. So there will probably be continued Gridlock. It seems a terrible system to me.

RealClearPolitics shows Obama ahead by 1/10th of one percent in their poll of polls and he has gone from a healthy lead in the Electoral College to being barely ahead at all. If another healthy sized state slips, like Ohio, he'll be losing.

For Canadians, it is astonishing.

**marv2** · 10-20-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

We it seems there is no hope of a democratic congress and there likely will be a democratic senate. And who knows who will be President. So there will probably be continued Gridlock. It seems a terrible system to me.

RealClearPolitics shows Obama ahead by 1/10th of one percent in their poll of polls and he has gone from a healthy lead in the Electoral College to being barely ahead at all. If another healthy sized state slips, like Ohio, he'll be losing.

For Canadians, it is astonishing.

You can forget that shit! I am in Ohio visiting right now and Obama will win here in Ohio.

**jobeterob** · 10-21-2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

You can forget that shit! I am in Ohio visiting right now and Obama will win here in Ohio.

Well if he can hold Ohio and win Florida, he'll make it.

**soulster** · 10-21-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

We it seems there is no hope of a democratic congress and there likely will be a democratic senate. And who knows who will be President. So there will probably be continued Gridlock. It seems a terrible system to me.

What makes you think that? The Senate is already Democratic controlled, and I don't see that changing, the way these tea-bagger senators are fighting for their jobs right now. It's the house that we really have to worry about. That needs to go back to the Democrats, as the tea-baggers have hurt that too.

RealClearPolitics shows Obama ahead by 1/10th of one percent in their poll of polls and he has gone from a healthy lead in the Electoral College to being barely ahead at all. If another healthy sized state slips, like Ohio, he'll be losing.

Well, you know, it ain't over 'till it's over! The election is two weeks away, and a lot of things can happen in that time. It's probably down to Florida and Ohio, as for now, 'ol money-bags's campaign has pulled out of North Carolina. Also, early voting has shown to be heavily in favor of Obama.

Obama effed up when he did badly in that first debate. There's another one tomorrow night, and he has one last chance to reel in the undecideds.

And, stay away from Fox news! They lie!

**funky_fresh** · 10-21-2012, 07:46 PM

[QUOTE=soulster;127895]

These days, the Democrats do indeed represent the interests of the majority of U.S.. It's popular these days to slag off both parties and declare independence, but even independents lean one way or the other. That's just what you get with a dominant two-party system.
/QUOTE]

Not even close to being true.

Republican: 36.8%
Democrat: 34.2%
Other [[Independent, Libertarian, Green, etc): 29.0%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ty_affiliation

[QUOTE=soulster;127895]
There are several parties, some of whom are in congress today. The majority of the others are Libertarians. But, they still don't represent the majority of people.
/QUOTE]

Honestly, do you just make this stuff up? See the link below for the make up of the house and senate.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

Originally Posted by soulster

All of the parties have something attractive about their current platform. It's all that other crap that is offensive to someone. With the republican platform as it is today, I am not anywhere near them. The Libertarians are pretty bad too in many ways. Everyone is just too extreme. It seems the further you pin to one side or the other, the more you are respected, the more votes you get, and if you try to come down the middle and meet the other side half-way, you are considered weak, a traitor. Oh, everyone says they want cooperation in Washington, but they just meat that they want the other side to see things their way.

You also have the Green Party, and the Socialist Party, among others, but they get no real traction.

If Willard Mitt Romney Thurston Howell the IV gets in, that may happen sooner than you think. You better start building your fence on your border with us!

The two party system is a sham as it is really one party controlled by corporate money and foreign interests. There will NEVER be change in this country unless we abolish the two party system and elect government officials on their personal resume and beliefs rather than by party platform. The "D" and "R" should be removed from all ballots to force people to actually learn about who they are voting for.

Neither Obama nor Romney intend on putting this country on a path to true change and progress. We will have nothing more than empty promises and partisan rhetoric.

I am afraid that by the time most Americans wake up from the Dem vs. Rep bad dream things may be too late.

**Jerry Oz** · 10-21-2012, 09:56 PM

It's too late, F_F.

**soulster** · 10-22-2012, 12:25 AM

Funky,

The only people who are looking at party labels are the republicans and their tea-bagger offshoot. None of them vote for anyone on the middle or left of the middle. It's all about ideology to them. I am not fooled.

When I do look at what a candidate represents , and I don't see what party they are affiliated with, as in state/local elections, I can tell what their party affiliation is anyway, and I am am always right when i dig for the info. If I look at a candidate's record and find that they go against the people, or have big business' interests, or harp on about "small government", They are republican, libertarian, and likely a tea-bagger. I am always proved correct.

The fact that republicans/tea-baggers have repeatedly played the racial card, played on racial fears and stereotypes, gone against women's rights, and attempted to deny the rights of ALL people, regardless of sexual orientation, usually in the name of their religion, has caused me to never, ever vote for them ever again!

**splanky** · 10-22-2012, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

It's too late, F_F.

I'd have to agree, Jerry...

Let me get back to you guys, I'm at work right now...

**soulster** · 10-22-2012, 05:47 PM

I'll take the Democrats over the extremist republiKKKan party any day. And, yes, their policies, and it's candidates, are extremists in the worst way. All it will take is for them to actually be elected for their ignorant, hate-filled, and wealthy supporters to realize it. I just hope it doesn't come to that. And, the only ones who would benefit are the wealthy. If that happens, this country will have a civil war on it's hands.

**Jerry Oz** · 10-22-2012, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by soulster

I'll take the Democrats over the extremist republiKKKan party any day. And, yes, their policies, and it's candidates, are extremists in the worst way. All it will take is for them to actually be elected for their ignorant, hate-filled, and wealthy supporters to realize it. I just hope it doesn't come to that. And, the only ones who would benefit are the wealthy. If that happens, this country will have a civil war on it's hands.

I don't think it'll come to civil war in the U.S. for another 10 or 15 years, but I honestly believe we're headed for conflict at some point. If the GOP takes over, it'll be because a bunch of the poor folks who the president has proposed to help flipped him off and told that boy they don't need his help. I state it that way because that seems to be the attitude. I believe him to be one of the most remarkable Americans in history but I get the impression [[from talking to some of his detractors) that there's nothing that he can do to get their vote or their support. If he walked on water to save a drowning baby, the headline would read "Obama can't swim". It's sad, but they'll get what they want if he loses. Best for them to get nothing from Romney than have to say "thanks" to Obama.

**jobeterob** · 10-23-2012, 12:02 AM

Agree with Jerry. The black vote, the Latino vote and the female vote has all moved away from Obama somewhat; their commitment has wavered for some reason.

If he wins, tonights debate will have helped him.

**soulster** · 10-23-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

Agree with Jerry. The black vote, the Latino vote and the female vote has all moved away from Obama somewhat; their commitment has wavered for some reason.

What alternate universe do you two live in?

**Jerry Oz** · 10-23-2012, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by soulster

What alternate universe do you two live in?

Don't lump me in with that. The people I was referring to was not Latinos or African-Americans, but generally middle class Americans, and caucasions in specific. In fact, Obama is still strong with these blocs and females. Curiously, it is the poor, working class white males that seem to think that he's a poor choice and this happens to represent the most significant voting bloc.

**jobeterob** · 10-23-2012, 11:48 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-own-me-video/

**tommy good** · 10-23-2012, 04:04 PM

At least 90% of white males vote republican, what are they worried about?. Well here's one white man who voted for Obama in 2008 and just voted for Obama again. I've never felt better about my vote than right now. Obama, his wife and children have brought class back to the White house, and yes, I do believe I'm better off than I was 4 years ago. I cannot vote for a party who got us in to this terrible situation, and now wants another crack at the presdency. Romneys faults are to numerous to mention. He's just the wrong person to be running our country. Everyone please vote.

Tommy Good

**marv2** · 10-23-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by jobeterob

Agree with Jerry. The black vote, the Latino vote and the female vote has all moved away from Obama somewhat; their commitment has wavered for some reason.

If he wins, tonights debate will have helped him.

That is not true at all.

**Roberta75** · 10-23-2012, 06:21 PM

As well as posting your opinions on this here forum I hope everyone is working real hard for the Obama re-election campaign. They need folks to work the phone banks calling swings states to tell peoples that the President needs their vote.

It's real easy. click on this link and type in your zip code and you'll see where you can volunteer. Again I stress preaching here is preaching to the converted, so please help to reelect President Obama by working at your local phone bank.

http://www.barackobama.com/gotv#!/gbxbvq

The Supreme court is at stake and we need to work real hard to keep President Obama in office.

Thank you in advance.

Roberta

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Curiously, it is the poor, working class white males that seem to think that he's a poor choice and this happens to represent the most significant voting bloc.

You got any evidence of that?

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by tommy good

At least 90% of white males vote republican, what are they worried about?. Well here's one white man who voted for Obama in 2008 and just voted for Obama again. I've never felt better about my vote than right now. Obama, his wife and children have brought class back to the White house, and yes, I do believe I'm better off than I was 4 years ago. I cannot vote for a party who got us in to this terrible situation, and now wants another crack at the presdency. Romneys faults are to numerous to mention. He's just the wrong person to be running our country. Everyone please vote.

Tommy Good

You mean you don't wanna put the "white" back in the white house?

The reality is that women are driving this election. Young white women are the voters Obama needs to win.

Obama had the electoral votes to win right now. There, he is far ahead of Romney-hood. Even if Romney-hood wins the popular vote, he may not have the numbers to win. This is why the republiKKKan voter-suppression and intimidation is so important to the GOP. They know it is the last chance they really have of their guy winning if it comes down to that.

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by marv2

That is not true at all.

Jobetrob is probably watching Fox news. Heh!

**marv2** · 10-24-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by soulster

Jobetrob is probably watching Fox news. Heh!

He must be watching something that I am not! LOL!!!!

**marv2** · 10-24-2012, 10:38 AM

Does anyone know which States if any upheld their new voter suppression laws?

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

Does anyone know which States if any upheld their new voter suppression laws?

Florida and Colorado republiKKKans are still trying. The courts have either stuck all of the other ones down, or put a hold on them for this election. Just a day or two ago, Mississippi backed down on their lying about theirs.

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by marv2

He must be watching something that I am not! LOL!!!!

I don't know where he's getting his information from, but it's not even close to being accurate.

**Jerry Oz** · 10-24-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by soulster

You got any evidence of that?

Just a link:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...rs-124550.html

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

Just a link:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...rs-124550.html

First of all, did you happen to notice the DATE of that Politico article? And, since last MAY, Obama has picked up support by White WOMEN.

Jobeterob says he is losing support with Blacks and Latinos. Also very wrong.

smark21 · 10-24-2012, 08:03 PM

The challenge for the Obama campaign will be ensuring high turnout of the Black and Latino vote. I don’t think there’s much worry that a significant percentage of each group will vote for Romney, but there is concern they may not turn out at the same rate as 2008, thanks to voter suppression attempts and admittedly Obama no longer being the same charismatic force and symbol of hope and change that he was in 2008.

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 08:42 PM

Obama according to a latest poll, [[sorry, I didn't catch the name of the organization) is five points ahead above Romney-Hood across the nation.

As long as the Romney-Hood/Lyin' Ryan surrogates keep saying offensive things about women and rape, and playing on White racial hatred, Obama will look better and better.

**soulster** · 10-24-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by smark21

The challenge for the Obama campaign will be ensuring high turnout of the Black and Latino vote. I don’t think there’s much worry that a significant percentage of each group will vote for Romney, but there is concern they may not turn out at the same rate as 2008, thanks to voter suppression attempts and admittedly Obama no longer being the same charismatic force and symbol of hope and change that he was in 2008.

That is very questionable. Ever since the Biden/Ryan debate, and the last two presidential debates, Obama got his mojo back, and it's having an effect of raving up the base. The supporters know we can change, and the change is starting to happen. According to a news report this morning, even the Mexican illegals are starting to sneak back! The supporters know that it has been the republiKKKans historical number of filibusters that has been holding back much of the progress. The union-busting attempts has had a huge effect in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio.

**Jerry Oz** · 10-24-2012, 10:23 PM

If the election was held today, I'm convinced that Obama would win the electoral college. [[Anybody besides me notice the evening news only shows the popular polls, not the electoral college polls? Wonder why?!)

With GOP-led boards of election sending out campaign literature with the wrong date and polling information, billboards threatening imprisonment for "voter fraud", tons of lies broadcast non-stop on local and national television, and party-sponsored surrogates going to mostly Democratic voting sites to challenge voters, who knows what will happen in two weeks.

**jobeterob** · 10-24-2012, 10:51 PM

RealClearPolitics shows Obama would win today with 284 electoral college votes.

CNN says if the bleed continues at the same rate, Romney will win on election day.

If the world voted, it would be Obama by a landslide.

Astounding.

Obama needs to have the black, Latino, female vote come out like it did in 2008 and it seems there is some lack of enthusiasm there. There also may be some regret there in a couple weeks if they don't get the spirit again.

I hope the last debate turns the tide a little bit but am not holding my breath for it to happen.

**Jerry Oz** · 10-25-2012, 12:13 AM

Romney went out of his way to play a game of "hey, I can follow his lead on foreign policy". He hopes that the lack of contrast between his views [[modified greatly during the debate) and the president's nullifies the one area that the president clearly holds the upper hand. If people were worried that Paul "War Hawk" Ryan's debate meant that we were going to have another war in the next four years, Willard tried to put those fears to rest.

Don't believe for a minute that the main reason he'd increase military spending is anything other than so he can have a war to help him get re-elected. That way, it won't increase the deficit because the snake has already built it into the budget.

**soulster** · 10-25-2012, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Jerry Oz

If the election was held today, I'm convinced that Obama would win the electoral college. [[Anybody besides me notice the evening news only shows the popular polls, not the electoral college polls? Wonder why?!)

Both CNN and MSNBC do show the electoral collage numbers on a regular basis.

With GOP-led boards of election sending out campaign literature with the wrong date and polling information, billboards threatening imprisonment for "voter fraud", tons of lies broadcast non-stop on local and national television, and party-sponsored surrogates going to mostly Democratic voting sites to challenge voters, who knows what will happen in two weeks.

Somehow, though, I do not think too many people will be fooled by announcing the wrong voting day this time.