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    Quote Originally Posted by RossHolloway View Post
    No worries my friend. Do you. I still wonder why you [[and the other fakes) don't spell Marvin's last name GAY or refer to Stevie as Steveland or call the Miracles, William Robinson and the Miracles....I mean if you can respect Marvin, Stevie and Smokey enough to call them by their well known entertainment/stage name I wonder why DianA can't be afforded the same respect....very curious. But your silence pretty much answers my question for me. That is all. Carry on.
    You are hilarious...

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    I would have that the name change was because it rolled off the tongue easier for DJs.

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    Can we PLEASE get back to the COPA and stop all this nonsense?!

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    Does the original master still exist of the performance Before Diana went in and overdubbed the entire performance for release ? apparently Gordy didnt think her vocal was up to scratch so she went into a studio and resang the performance note for note to bring it up to standard..Im imagining she had the original recording in her headphones to give her the cues for someone like Diana singing in harmony with a play back of the show would be very easy....

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    Is that fact or urban legend?

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    comes from J Randy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    Growing up in Detroit, most of us who followed the Sups referred to her as 'Diane.' I still do. It isn't out of disrespect, but more familiarity, a kind of feeling that we grew up with her, that she was one of us, so to speak, being from the same town.

    I believe her given name is Diana, actually, not Diane. I think of 'Diane' as more a term of endearment, like a nickname, more than anything else.
    Kenneth, it is the other way around. Her real name is DIANE. Her father named her that. The way the "story" goes is that although her given name by her Dad is indeed Diane, there was a typographical error at the hospital and the name "Diana" was typed on the birth certificated instead. Now according to her, she did not find out about that until she was one of the Supremes and working in show Business. I can't even type this without laughing LOL! True, she was always called Diane in Detroit and in Toledo for that matter. People know who you mean using either name. Only the guys on the internet make out like you are cursing at her when you refer to her as Diane. They haven't even met her. I don't care you see and she doesn't either to honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    You are hilarious...
    Totally hilarious! hehehehehehe......!

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    Any way....."At the Copa" was a nice album. Very popular at the time. I haven't listened to it in well over 25 years,but the one song I liked best was "Back In My Arms Again". I think it was a fine album for it's times the sixties. I remember seeing it in a lot peoples homes when I was a kid.

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    lord have mercy..ive been away from SDF for a year and folks are still debating the "Diane" thing !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    Kenneth, it is the other way around. Her real name is DIANE. Her father named her that. The way the "story" goes is that although her given name by her Dad is indeed Diane, there was a typographical error at the hospital and the name "Diana" was typed on the birth certificated instead. Now according to her, she did not find out about that until she was one of the Supremes and working in show Business. I can't even type this without laughing LOL! True, she was always called Diane in Detroit and in Toledo for matter. People know who you mean using either name. Only the guys on the internet make out like you are cursing at her when you refer to her as Diane. They haven't even met her. I don't care you see and she doesn't either to honest.
    Leave it to you to know the story behind the birth certificate! Thanks Bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constantin View Post
    Isn't "Diana" a misprint on her birth certificate and "Diane" the name originally chosen by her parents?
    That is correct or how the story goes.

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    Does the original master still exist of the performance Before Diana went in and overdubbed the entire performance for release ? ....
    The Supremes at the Copa provides Hipo a very interesting choice of directions with this "re-look:"
    This is a very iconic album for the group and much loved just as it was as first available on vinyl..so should the re-issue present just that recording in a rematered digital form? It was stated by J Randy that Diana went in & over dubbed her leads in the studio. It [[literally) sounds quite likely.
    Or can we get the "real deal?" Will they provide an audio time capsule of what it was like to hear the Supremes live at the Copacabana in July of 1965? Can they provide both? That's my preference! I LOVED the orignal album..I know that album note for note. It was my second Supremes album that I got in 1967 and I played it to death! I have also always wanted to hear what the actual performance was like..without the constraints of vinyl two sided recording. What would we get to hear? What did we miss [[not get) on the vinyl? Is there more stage patter, more interaction between the girls? Some more zingers from Flo?? I'm also interested in hearing the Copa performance from 1967. I heard a "bootleg" of a May 1967 performance. As I recall it sounded pretty bad in audio quality, also it sounded as if Diana had a cold. The Rogers & Hart Complete had one live cut from that Copa run included in that set, it sounded pretty terrific! I'm really curious to find out which direction this will go or, perhaps, Andy & George will be able to accomodate all of these options...I hope so!
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    That's a great suggestion. I like that a lot.

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    Hip-O treated the special edition of James Brown "Live at the Garden" [[actually the Latin Casino) in a similar way to what you suggest. They have the whole program as originally recorded, including the numbers by the band and with all undubbed vocals, and then the original LP program with great cleaned up audio [[which did include some studio recordings I believe with fake applause). It's an awesome release. I imagine they'll do great by this one, too.

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    On a day that had a paucity of laughter, I am glad I looked at this thread. We went to an intense discussion of Ms. Ross first name, from a theme of the Supremes Live @ the Copa being rereleased.

    As a lad wanting to play the drums, but with a drum set out reach for my parents budget, when the LP first came out, I always dug the drummer in the background, sitting high, and proud. At the time, the show tunes left me cold, I was 10 at the time. But thank you Berry, for via your artists I was introduced to a different genre that I would not have been exposed to. If artists that I dug, such as The Supremes, and later, The Tempts, and Tops and others had not recorded these songs, who knows when I would have come across this music. If you are going to listen to for example, Climb Every Mountain, wouldn't you rather have Levi do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motown4Ever518 View Post
    On a day that had a paucity of laughter, I am glad I looked at this thread. We went to an intense discussion of Ms. Ross first name, from a theme of the Supremes Live @ the Copa being rereleased.
    Careful, or you'll revive the whole kerfuffle all over again!

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    i think this is a major album for the Supremes and a deluxe edition will be another classic reissue.looking forward to this

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    Kenneth,

    Thats OK, I now have the biggest smile going on right now. I am looking forward to the release.

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    Me too I love the live albums even better when expanded since we have moved beyond space restrictions on LPs so much more to add.

    Looking forward to the day we have an expanded Supremes A Go Go!
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    so exciting; an expanded 2.0 "At The Copa"!.. I get to be an active Supremes fan again

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    Leave it to you to know the story behind the birth certificate! Thanks Bro.
    You have to know these things Kenneth! How else will you make your way in the World? hehehehehehehe..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motown4Ever518 View Post
    On a day that had a paucity of laughter, I am glad I looked at this thread. We went to an intense discussion of Ms. Ross first name, from a theme of the Supremes Live @ the Copa being rereleased.

    As a lad wanting to play the drums, but with a drum set out reach for my parents budget, when the LP first came out, I always dug the drummer in the background, sitting high, and proud. At the time, the show tunes left me cold, I was 10 at the time. But thank you Berry, for via your artists I was introduced to a different genre that I would not have been exposed to. If artists that I dug, such as The Supremes, and later, The Tempts, and Tops and others had not recorded these songs, who knows when I would have come across this music. If you are going to listen to for example, Climb Every Mountain, wouldn't you rather have Levi do it?
    To me, Levi did the definitive version of "Climb Every Mountain" as well as "MacArthur Park"! He was a beast!

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    I believe J Randy is correct those track listings at the end of his last biography on her are meticulous and all tracks that have come out on Hip O in the last two years were all faithfully published there for the first time..I mean there wasnt room at the Copa to swing a cat let alone have a good audio rehersal before taping the show..could have been a faulty mic on the night that couldnt fixed..it was after all one of the most important milestones of Motowns story..regardless of wether the show catalog leaves you unimpressed would be interesting to hear how they matched her retake vocal with Flo and Marys volume..i

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbell View Post
    As far as The Supremes at The Copa, it was recorded in September 1965
    I believe it was recorded in July of '65 when they actually appeared at the Copa.

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    Incidentally, I've just started a threat on musical director and bassist, Jimmy Garrett containing info new to me. Although the Supremes were backed on this album by the Copacabana Orchestra, they had their own rhythm section, consisting of Jimmy on bass, Napoleon Allen on guitar and Curtis Kirk on drums.

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    Hello everyone,

    Copa is on the way. Just a few finishing touches. No release date I can give at this time, but I hope it is before summer. Yes, we address the overdubbing issues. Yes, there is more music. Yes, there is more patter. No, these are not the musicians who back the girls, but for the first time, you will find out who! All will be revealed soon...

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    Oops. OK. Thanks Andy. I always thought it looked like Bob Cousar on durms, but that's probably wrong too.

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    Bob Cousar is correct! But I'd better stop now before I give any more away! :-)

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    This is gonna be great!

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    Thanks, Andy! And, in case you don't know it, you have one of greatest jobs I can imagine...cheers!

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    Kenneth or Ross..........one of you asked why Diana is not accorded the same respect as Stevie [[doesn't get called Steveland) and Marvin [[doesn't get called Gay).

    The answer, jokingly and seriously is because..........."she's the greatest star, she is by far"! And so the detractors go crazy [[as you see).

    And as others that followed her have found, for example, Madonna and Beyonce, this is what happens.

    As Mae West apparently said once: "I have not met, nor have I any intention to meet, this Miss Madonna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    As Mae West apparently said once: "I have not met, nor have I any intention to meet, this Miss Madonna.
    Apparently, that must've been awfully difficult to hear; Mae West died in 1980 and Madonna first broke on the scene in 1982.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    Kenneth or Ross..........one of you asked why Diana is not accorded the same respect as Stevie [[doesn't get called Steveland) and Marvin [[doesn't get called Gay).

    The answer, jokingly and seriously is because..........."she's the greatest star, she is by far"! And so the detractors go crazy [[as you see).

    And as others that followed her have found, for example, Madonna and Beyonce, this is what happens.

    As Mae West apparently said once: "I have not met, nor have I any intention to meet, this Miss Madonna.
    Please...don't get that dust-up started again...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danman869 View Post
    Apparently, that must've been awfully difficult to hear; Mae West died in 1980 and Madonna first broke on the scene in 1982.
    Ok stop it! hehehehehehe! LOL!

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    Mae West commenting on "Miss Madonna" made me laugh out loud. Mae died in December, 1980 and Madonna didn't hit the national scene till two years later. Mae loved the beat of R&B music, and in fact Van McCoy wrote music for her last film, "Sextette." West was 86 when she starred in this film, based on a play she had performed on stage. A young Timothy Dalton played her husband in this film, which totally ignored the many decades difference in their ages. Tarred and feathered by reviewers at the time of release for this, West could now be heralded at the original "cougar." In my forthcoming biography "In Search Of Mae West, I am going to examine the musical aspect of her career and the jazz musicians she insisted back her in musical numbers in her early 1930's films. Readers will be astonished how forward thinking Mae West was, by including as many African American performers in her films as she could, given the reluctance of studio bosses to do so. Racism ran rampant in Hollywood then, and some may argue that it still does.
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    Many people on this site have asked if there are other pictures of the Supremes performance at the Cave supper club in Vancouver, Canada, circa 1967. I am going to post them, but it may have to be on a one by one basis. I met someone who had seen the original Supremes at an earlier Cave performance and had a wonderful story to share.
    The west end of Vancouver, located in the downtown area, adjacent to the world famous Stanley Park, saw a huge building boom of high rise towers in the mid 1960's. A fan who lived in the Georgian Towers threw a cocktail party for the Supremes in his apartment, and Mary, Diana and Florence attended. Evidently their fur coats were placed in a bedroom and somehow, a cigarette accidently started a fire, which was quickly put out by the quick minded host with ice cubes. The fur coats luckily were not harmed.

    The next evening at the Cave, during one of their songs, Florence squinted into the audience and noticed that their host the previous evening was sitting at a table near the stage. She elbowed Mary and whispered loud enough for the fans sitting at the table to hear, "there is that guy who saved us from the fire last night!" The three women sang the rest of that song to the table, delighting the fans. In the early days, the three were a lot of fun and obviously enjoyed the love and hospitality of fans. Of course those days are l-o-n-g over, but what a magical thing to have happen. I love their harmonies on C&W to this day!Name:  Supremes in Vancouver #3.jpg
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    Mary and Cindy leaving the stage after a set at the Cave in Vancouver, Canada circa 1967.

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    I call her Miss Ross.

    Penny

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    The Supremes' Vancouver date at the Cave is significant: that's when the opening act was, under another name, the group that became Bobby Taylor & the Vancouvers. Mary and Flo stayed for the after-hours show, when the Cave became a hip nightclub called the Elegant Parlor and the Vancouvers transformed into the local main attraction. Mary and Flo liked what they saw and heard, called Berry Gordy, who flew in to see the band – and signed them. M&F = talent scouts.

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    and thanks to Mary & Flo finding Bobby Taylor, Bobby went on to find;....THE JACKSON 5!!!.....wow

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    Hello hwume;
    I have to admit I never personally saw the Supremes at the Cave in 1967, but I did see Little Richard perform there in December, 1969. I still have the receipt for a Coke for $1.25 [[!!!) in my scrapbook, which absolutely shocked me as being expensive as a 18 year old.I was a student in Edmonton, Alberta at the time, and flew in to see Little Richard.

    I stayed with a friend whose girl friend was a "dancer" at the " Parlor," which I must have confused with the "Elegant Parlor."
    An online search uncovered that The "Elegant Parlor" was located in the basement of a ballroom located near the corner of Davie Street and Burrard in the westend. The ballroom underwent many transformations and has been a gay disco for the past several decades. One of the original members of the Vancouvers states, "The Elegant Parlor’s landlord had sold
    the building it had been in, so in early 1969 I moved the Parlour to the back of The Shanghai Junk at 205 East Pender Street and Main in Chinatown." Clearly there really wasn't much about either "palor" that could be truly considered "elegant!"

    Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers may have opened for the Supremes at the Cave in 1967, but their record "Does Your Mama Know About Me," wasn't released until 1968. I will try to find a review or advertising pertaining to The Supremes' Cave performance to determine if in fact there was an opening act. It is my understanding that Mary and Flo saw The Vancouvers perform during an earlier Cave booking in 1966. Unfortunately this era of Vancouver musical history is not well documented, but I will go through old newspaper files. I can state with confidence however, that the Cave and the Elegant Parlor are two entirely different establishments.

    Vancouver, being so close to Seattle had musical acts that did not tour much in Canada, and R&B acts like James Brown and the Ike & Tina Turner Review played venues like "Isy's Supper Club," which was competing with the Cave. In the later 1970's Isy's morphed into a strip club.

    I've never had a reason to look up this information before, but thanks to this thread, I'm glad now I did, because this is interesting stuff, which unfortunately gets buried in the sands of passed time. As a relatively new and "junior" member of SDF, I appreciate the wisdom and knowledge of long time members and am committed to posting correct information as my contribution. Thanks for your acceptance!

    This photo appeared recently in the Vancouver Sun to mark the 100th anniversary of the newspaper's publishing run. The B&W photo reproduction seemed underexposed to me, and when I made a digital copy, it didn't look very good. I played around with the the digital copy on iPhoto, and came up with this. I didn't take the original, but as a tribute to the artistry of Sun photographer Ken Oakes, as seen in the other shots of this concert, I humbly offer this up. Hopefully he won't be offended. ATTACH]4553[/ATTACH]
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    You are correct - it may have been an earlier date at the Cave. Taylor & the group arrived at Motown in summer 1967.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwume View Post
    The Supremes' Vancouver date at the Cave is significant: that's when the opening act was, under another name, the group that became Bobby Taylor & the Vancouvers. Mary and Flo stayed for the after-hours show, when the Cave became a hip nightclub called the Elegant Parlor and the Vancouvers transformed into the local main attraction. Mary and Flo liked what they saw and heard, called Berry Gordy, who flew in to see the band – and signed them. M&F = talent scouts.
    Exactly! Mary and Bobby Taylor have both retold that story many times. Just to think, had Mary and Flo not "discovered" Bobby & the Vancouvers, we may never have had "The Jackson Five", Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, "Cheech & Chong" or Rae Dawn Chong [[ok, ok, I may be stretching things abit with that last one hehehehehehe!).

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    R. Mark Desjardins, Bobby Taylor talks about this time and meeting Mary and Florence in detail in a fairly recent interview from Hong Kong that was link to this site a while back. I'll look for it and repost it if I find it.

    Marv

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    Marv, that would be wonderful if you could find a link to that Bobby Taylor interview. Cheers. Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Mark Desjardins View Post
    Marv, that would be wonderful if you could find a link to that Bobby Taylor interview. Cheers. Mark
    Mark, I found the thread with the link in it and bumped to the top of the forum earlier today. I'll do it again now

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Mark Desjardins View Post
    Marv, that would be wonderful if you could find a link to that Bobby Taylor interview. Cheers. Mark
    Mark. It's done. Look now at the thread called "Bobby taylor interview"

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    The Supremes at the Copa is a gem of an album, it wasn't just about Diana it was about the three of them all of them contributed to the success of that engagement and the album as well, it was their most successful live release as the Supremes at #11 it wasn't the end of the Supremes at this point it was just beginning, and Diana's emergence of course continued to spark with each new release afterward. Diana has said in interviews that people started pitting us against each other picking their favorite supreme which eventually would be the start of supremes rivalries. Diana has said some very nice things in her 1976 Diana CD release about her partners Mary & Flo and it should always be cherished fans will always try to tear it apart.

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    I wonder if any video was taken at these shows, Would be nice to have a cd/dvd package.

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