Motown's harshest edit

[rovereab]

Just been listening to the single edit of Diana Ross' Reach Out I'll Be There and the edit at 00:54 has got to be Motown's harshest edit.

What do you all think is the harshest?

[mysterysinger]

Jimmy Ruffin - "World So Wide, Nowhere To Hide" on the original CD releases. They miss out the first chorus entirely and the jump in then sounds rather odd.

[ralpht]

I'll assure you it wasn't my brother Russ's edit. The dude could splice vowels.

[mowsville]

The Four Tops “ Simple Game” for sure.

[BayouMotownMan]

The stereo edit of I Can't Dance To That Music You're Playing. At the last verse before the fade Martha is edited in right in the middle of the word soon

[bradburger]

Just been listening to the single edit of Diana Ross' Reach Out I'll Be There and the edit at 00:54 has got to be Motown's harshest edit.

What do you all think is the harshest?

According to the DM number on the 45 [Mono Mix] version, it was BG who did the mix, and therefore most likely the edit as well!

I note that the red vinyl promo [one side a stereo mix, and the other side a mono] were done by Russ Terrana.

Cheers

Paul

[bradburger]

Well, having listened to all the single mixes, all of them have the same edit at 0:54 seconds, so a decision by QC or even the boss perhaps?

Cheers

Paul

[reese]

I don't know if it is harsh but the single edit of Gladys Knight and the Pips' ALL I NEED IS TIME is disappointing. Some songs don't lend themselves to be edited and should be left alone.

[rovereab]

The Four Tops “ Simple Game” for sure.

Is this for the USA or UK single?

[mysterysinger]

Often wondered about Tammi's version of "This Old Heart Of Mine" right at the start which seems to have been edited in some way. Dunno if the Funks could set a pace like that from a standing start [[but it's a really good track).

[Graham Jarvis]

The Jimmy Ruffin on "World So Wide, Nowhere To Hide" it is a fantastic Record, however a CD not able to complete the whole of one of Jimmy's greatest is stupid to cut it short!
Thanks for letting us.


PS. if you are also interested as to Tammi's records I can leave it for you.

[Woodward's 3/16/2025 Thread: In loving memory of Tammi]

[mowsville]

I think it’s the U.K version.

[bradburger]

What do you all think is the harshest?

Your initial post did remind me of another Diana Ross tune - the 45 edit of 'Ain't No Mountain High Enough' which I think beats the one her version of 'Reach Out I'll Be There'.



The edit at 0:51 always jumped out a mile to me [the flute part is suddenly cut off], whilst the edit at 2:52 isn't too bad.

This mix and edit [DM-A1-S1-K-T2 803M01] was also used on the double sided Long/Short white label promo :



It was also used on the double sided red vinyl demo that had a note about the edited version:

https://www.discogs.com/release/2029...in-High-Enough

Cheers

Paul

[Graham Jarvis]

Well done with both, I have the red vinyl's and the two 45's covers for the Detroit "MOT 1169" to go with them. Including the Canada 45 separate version.

There are quite a few more 45's in "Red Vinyl" Aug -70 & Oct -70 being Four Tops [Still Water] & Supremes [Stoned Love] & another Diana Ross [Remember Me] another in Red Dec-70 and are many more.

[rovereab]

I generally regard the single edit of Love Hangover to have been very good but the slight lag at 2:18 "don't need it....don't want it" always gets me!

[midnightman]

The stereo edit of I Can't Dance To That Music You're Playing. At the last verse before the fade Martha is edited in right in the middle of the word soon

I finally got to hear the original version of the song with Martha singing the chorus and I don't know what was on their mind putting that other version out!

[BayouMotownMan]

I am referring to the original stereo mix included on the British MR&TV Greatest Hits Vol 2

[Sotosound]

If you want to hear some harsh edits then there are loads of them on Invictus singles, some including awkward pitch changes.

Just saying....

[BayouMotownMan]

If you want to hear some harsh edits then there are loads of them on Invictus singles, some including awkward pitch changes.

Just saying....

True, the last of Freda's Deeper and Deeper is massacered.

[gman]

True, the last of Freda's Deeper and Deeper is massacered.

My all time fav Freda song....like Stoned Love, it has a "needle drop" intro!

[Graham Jarvis]

Martha Reeves is one her greatest records "No One There" Try It! [if not]
It was one of the track from the U.S. "Black Magic Album" 1972 , from memory it was only the UK 45 only for the UK track. I brought three 45 copies and kept one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOtaJRG9DU

[Starguard4]

Martha Reeves is one her greatest records "No One There" Try It! [if not]
It was one of the track from the U.S. "Black Magic Album" 1972 , from memory it was only the UK 45 only for the UK track. I brought three 45 copies and kept one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOtaJRG9DU

What's all that got to do with a "HARSH EDIT" ??? So, do you not understand what an EDIT is ???

Perhaps try reading the topic before you post.

[Sotosound]

What's all that got to do with a "HARSH EDIT" ??? So, do you not understand what an EDIT is ???

Perhaps try reading the topic before you post.

That was unnecessary and not nice at all.

People come here to talk about music and not to be told off for making a mistake like every other human being does.

Graham has probably forgotten more about classic Motown than most of us will ever know.

[mysterysinger]

My all time fav Freda song....like Stoned Love, it has a "needle drop" intro!

Ah the unhooked generation. I was one - but got hooked on Freda - never tire of listening to so many of her Invictus recordings. But those edits - wow. Headphones at the ready.

[Sotosound]

Just been listening to the single edit of Diana Ross' Reach Out I'll Be There and the edit at 00:54 has got to be Motown's harshest edit.

What do you all think is the harshest?

I reckon that "You" by Marvin Gaye is up there.

There are some vicious edits in it.

[rovereab]

I reckon that "You" by Marvin Gaye is up there.

There are some vicious edits in it.

Please share where you hear the edits. Thanks.

[Sotosound]

Please share where you hear the edits. Thanks.

In the single mix at 1:35 and 1:42.

The stereo mix doesn't seem to have these edits, and it makes me wonder why the mono single mix does as I can't hear any other differences in the run up to or the exit from the middle break.

Weird!

[lockhartgary]

No necessarily vicious but the single version of "Mickey's Monkey" at the 2:19 mark.

[rovereab]

In the single mix at 1:35 and 1:42.

The stereo mix doesn't seem to have these edits, and it makes me wonder why the mono single mix does as I can't hear any other differences in the run up to or the exit from the middle break.

Weird!

Just listened to this stereo version and the song is running in the same way as the mono version but the edits are smoother. Could there be another reason for the harsh edit at 1:35?

https://youtu.be/SwjjnUa3xNw?feature=shared

[Sotosound]

Just listened to this stereo version and the song is running in the same way as the mono version but the edits are smoother. Could there be another reason for the harsh edit at 1:35?

https://youtu.be/SwjjnUa3xNw?feature=shared

I wondered whether or not they decided to stitch together the best parts of multiple mixes but ended up dropping a couple of stitches in the process.

[floyjoy678]

After hearing the unedited version of Floy Joy on the pink box set I definitely notice it when I listen to the single version.

[Sotosound]

After hearing the unedited version of Floy Joy on the pink box set I definitely notice it when I listen to the single version.

The unedited stereo version turned up on the original 1972 vinyl release of Motown Chartbusters Volume 7, but the CD reissue of that album used the "single edit" of the stereo mix.

[rovereab]

The Temptations' Masterpiece has a harsh edit at 1:04 - a sudden change of volume which kinda jars.

Eddie Kendricks' Keep On Truckin' has a harsh edit at 2:01 with the crashing symbols that seems to have been added to the single edit.

Trying to think of some more!

[Sotosound]

The Temptations' Masterpiece has a harsh edit at 1:04 - a sudden change of volume which kinda jars.

Eddie Kendricks' Keep On Truckin' has a harsh edit at 2:01 with the crashing symbols that seems to have been added to the single edit.

Trying to think of some more!

My understanding regarding "Keep On Truckin'" is that the album version didn't lend itself well to being edited down to single length, so Motown used that noise to cover up what would otherwise have been an absurdly harsh edit.

Indeed, this might be the harshest ever edit since, in reality, it simply cannot be missed.

Having said all that, when I listened to the album version for the first few times I missed that noise.

[TomBairdFan]

You want a harsh edit? Listen to the 'two minute' version of ''Take Me In Your Arms And Love Me'' by Gladys Knight and The Pips on the ''Everybody Needs Love / If I Were Your Woman 2 All Time Great Classic Albums'' 1986 MCD08031MD CD release! Someone took a razor blade and went 'chop, chop, chop' to the original 2:56 version, eliminating lyrics and instrumental breaks here there and everywhere, making what is normally a sensuous, slow-burner that reaches its climax in three minutes into a soulless ditty. The cuts may have been made because of time limitations, but they certainly weren't for artistic reasons. If you're used to the original song, this edit is a real mess!

[BayouMotownMan]

Also the mono single version of Martha's I'm Ready For Love. Jarring edit just before the Vandellas sing I'm Ready...Right Now