Tossing out random thoughts: Gladys Knight & The Pips: "Everybody Needs Love"

[WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance]

I was playing this today and recalled how much I LOVED this song when I heard it at 13. Precisely, the thing I loved was the sparseness of it all. The song didn't overwhelm you with "theatrics." It was basically a guitar, a bass, drums and those very cool finger snaps. Oh and strings. It was one of the few songs I thought I could actually play on my dad's guitar. On the verses and choruses, it's incredible how little musically is going on, allowing plenty, PLENTY of room for the voices to carry the record. I also, was thinking of how, in another thread here, the issue came up about the Andantes being used with the Pips on "Just Walk In My Shoes." I forgot the Andantes are also on "Everybody Needs Love." It's very, VERY subtle- in the video below, if you go to this spot: 1:16 and 2:28, you'll hear the Andantes singing, what sounds like, "Love, love, you need sweet love", starting just a millisecond before the Pips finish their "doo-doo-doo-doo" riff. The words may not be exact, but the point is there are two sets of vocals on this record. It's a fascinating bit of mixing because if you didn't think about it, you'd just assume the Pips singing all in falsetto. Even though their contributions seem to be fairly minimal here, for whatever reason, [[maybe Quality Control) it was decided to blend in the Andantes' voices.

[Motown Eddie]

II forgot the Andantes are also on "Everybody Needs Love." It's very, VERY subtle- in the video below, if you go to this spot: 1:16 and 2:28, you'll hear the Andantes singing, what sounds like, "Love, love, you need sweet love", starting just a millisecond before the Pips finish their "doo-doo-doo-doo" riff. The words may not be exact, but the point is there are two sets of vocals on this record. It's a fascinating bit of mixing because if you didn't think about it, you'd just assume the Pips singing all in falsetto. Even though their contributions seem to be fairly minimal here, for whatever reason, [[maybe Quality Control) it was decided to blend in the Andantes' voices.

I've been listening to "Everybody Needs Love" ever since in came out in '67 and never noticed The Andantes work on the song until now. Thanks for the info Watching!

PS: Despite good takes on this song by The Temptations & The Velvelettes, Gladys Knight & The Pips' version of "Everybody Needs Love" is my favorite.

[reese]

I've been listening to "Everybody Needs Love" ever since in came out in '67 and never noticed The Andantes work on the song until now. Thanks for the info Watching!

PS: Despite good takes on this song by The Temptations & The Velvelettes, Gladys Knight & The Pips' version of "Everybody Needs Love" is my favorite.

Mary Wells did a nice version as well.

[BayouMotownMan]

Actually I don't hear the Andantes here at all. Was nothing subtle about their voices

[WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance]

Actually I don't hear the Andantes here at all. Was nothing subtle about their voices

I had kinda figured I'd just drop it, but there was a new post here so I'll say the same thing here that I said elsewhere; I pretty much expected that not many would hear it so that's why I went into all that detail about exactly where and when I was distinctly hearing 2 sets of backing vocals and what the Pips were singing while another set of voices were singing something else behind Gladys. Could it have been that the Pips overdubbed a second vocal part? Maybe, but I do hear 2 sets of vocals at the parts I detailed in the first post. But music is like that- some ears will pick out a flat note or mechanical glitch while others will hear something else, or hear nothing at all. But I'm pleasantly surprised that everyone DID chime in here

[westgrandboulevard]

I had kinda figured I'd just drop it, but there was a new post here so I'll say the same thing here that I said elsewhere; I pretty much expected that not many would hear it so that's why I went into all that detail about exactly where and when I was distinctly hearing 2 sets of backing vocals and what the Pips were singing while another set of voices were singing something else behind Gladys. Could it have been that the Pips overdubbed a second vocal part? Maybe, but I do hear 2 sets of vocals at the parts I detailed in the first post. But music is like that- some ears will pick out a flat note or mechanical glitch while others will hear something else, or hear nothing at all. But I'm pleasantly surprised that everyone DID chime in here

WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance.....

This interesting thread, and the various opinions raised here, is ample proof that Soulful Detroit is still a great place to visit!

It would also be very interesting to know what the studio session notes state for 'Everybody Needs Love'.

I agree that additional background voices seem to have been overdubbed in places, to add fullness of sound to the recording.

To my own ears, yes, those additional voices are those of The Pips.

I can think of a reason why The Andantes could originally have been added to the vocals. But I can also think of a reason why they actually were not....

In the clip you have posted here [and also by listening to CD with headphones], I have to say I do not hear the voices of The Andantes, either singing in harmony - or singing in unison as, for example, on 'I'll Keep Holding On' by The Marvelettes.

That said, Gladys's contralto singing voice is quite similar to that of Jackie Hicks, who usually took the lowest notes whenever The Andantes did sing in harmony.

Is it possible that Gladys is actually singing background here with The Pips, if only on selected lyric lines? Much in the same way that she did when they all sang background on 'You' by Marvin Gaye?

If that is indeed true, then while Gladys's voice here is low in the mix when singing background with The Pips, it just might have been sufficiently audible for your ears to register a female voice in there, and lead you to think you are actually hearing The Andantes?

To my own ears, there are a very few places in 'Everybody Needs Love' [for example, on the chorus) where Gladys's voice does seem to be momentarily double tracked, and where her 'second' voice in the background can be identified apart from the voices of The Pips.

But this thread simply proves that not only is each one of us influenced by what we think we hear....but, quite often, what we want to hear.

[Motown Eddie]

Mary Wells did a nice version as well.

Yes she did and I completely forgot about it [and Mary Wells' version of "Everybody Needs Love" was the first one to be completed]. And I also forgot that Jimmy Ruffin & Smokey Robinson and The Miracles did the song as well.

[mysterysinger]

The Velvelettes version is most similar to that of Gladys Knight & The Pips. Maybe worth a comparison?.

[Philles/Motown Gary]

Loving The Andantes as I do, I don't hear their voices nor their vocal blend at all on Gladys' version.

[WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance]

Loving The Andantes as I do, I don't hear their voices nor their vocal blend at all on Gladys' version.

I pretty much expected that not many would hear it so that's why I went into all that detail about exactly where and when I was distinctly hearing 2 sets of backing vocals and what the Pips were singing while another set of voices were singing something else behind Gladys. Could it have been that the Pips overdubbed a second vocal part? Maybe, but I do hear 2 sets of vocals at the parts I detailed in the first post. But music is like that- some ears will pick out a flat note or mechanical glitch while others will hear something else.

[Philles/Motown Gary]

I pretty much expected that not many would hear it so that's why I went into all that detail about exactly where and when I was distinctly hearing 2 sets of backing vocals and what the Pips were singing while another set of voices were singing something else behind Gladys. Could it have been that the Pips overdubbed a second vocal part? Maybe, but I do hear 2 sets of vocals at the parts I detailed in the first post. But music is like that- some ears will pick out a flat note or mechanical glitch while others will hear something else.

Waiting, I went to the two spots that you recommended for verification of The Andantes' presence. In fact, I was actually hoping to hear what you were hearing. [[You know, like one of those "After all these years, how did I ever manage to miss that?" moments! But, I've gotta say I'm still not hearig it. The Pips' vocals may have been overdubbed a couple of times, but I didn't pick up the special blend that the Andantes possess.

As long as we're on the subject, I love Gladys/Pips "Everybody Needs Love" album, but my preferred version of the "Everybody Needs Love" song is the version I heard and immediately loved upon my first hearing which is The Temptations' version. I'm a sucker for an uptempo Motown shuffle-beat with strings! Always have been, and always will be. That's why I love The Tempts' version so much. Mary Wells' rendition is my 2nd favorite, but, IMHO, it's screaming for strings which makes it seem unfinished.
I would like Gladys/Pips' version better if it were a bit more uptempo. Same goes for The Velvelettes' version which utilizes the same backing track as Gladys'.

[blackguy69]

I thought they stopped Motown from using the andantes on their records pre 1967

[blackguy69]

I know they were on just walk by shoes but I don’t hear them here

[soulwally]

I've just had chance to listen, it's a song I absolutely love. To me, there are what i'd describe as 'choral sounds', which may not be the Pips. Gladys's lead vocals usually slay me, but I'm a sucker for the Pips' back-ups, they have a really distinctive sound. I think the high voice in the group was Ed Patten, but all three can hit the high notes when required, I've found.