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    RTL 2000 Could it have been fixed in the middle of the tour?.

    I saw the RTL Tour in Phila. opening night, along with friends, June 2000. Loved the show. Bought tickets for a later show. Then, fate cancelled it
    Were there any further negotiations midway during the tour? Sadly, nobody could turn the beat around to finalize an agreement. I would have a rotating line up and also include the later hits.
    Last edited by TNSUN; 01-13-2021 at 05:37 PM. Reason: Error typo

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    i thought that the tour promoters, after a few dates, wanted to drastically scale things back in order to balance costs. This would have meant that some crew, musicians or whomever would have been cut.

    supposedly Diana said no to this but offered to somehow reduce her fees or help offset things by adjusting what she got. she was thrilled that so many people were employed as part of the tour and she was grateful to everyone's dedication and hard work. she didn't want to just toss people aside.

    unfortunately, the entire tour was cancelled so then everyone was out.

    i don't know the backroom dealings to know what or why this was done. some cities had sold very well. others not so much. I don't know if the proposed cost reductions would have really helped. if the above story is true, it's certainly commendable to Diana that she was willing to adjust or reduce her compensation in order that others could remain.

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    Diana with Scherrie and Lynda were scheduled to play the Target Center in Minneapolis, which seats just short of 20,000. There's no possible way they would have been a sellout. I remember looking for tickets and they were in the neighborhood of $250, but came with a free "Stolen Moments" VHS. I'm not kidding.

    The venues were WAY TOO BIG. The clips I've seen of MSG, Scherrie and Lynda are standing about a city block away from each other. Then there were the dancers. Not needed whatsoever.

    If things had been scaled back from the beginning there might have been more success. But the concept of a circus; something that CHER was doing at the time, failed and failed miserably.

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    I didn't see any of the shows on RTL. Scherrie Payne is possibly my favorite female singer, but $250 per ticket? I've seen hundreds of stadium shows over the years and never paid more than $50 per show. Seemed kind of abusive to the fans to me. I make a great living and am very lucky, but not everybody has money to burn. I've seen clips from some of dates and MaryBrewster is right--Scherrie and Linda looked so small on those stages that if you didn't already know they were there, you probably wouldn't even recognize them.

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    First ...250.00 ...I think the tour was to raise money for a charity but if those seats were selling drop the price.
    Now I was supposed to see the show in md....but it was cancelled last minute.
    Not sure who cancelled what.some say Diana cancelled after the promoters cancelled.
    No one will say really but if some venues were to big..cut back.
    Fleetwood mac performed here and did not sell out but no big deal.
    when FM fired one of their members there was hardly any negative feedback even after LG suffered a heart sttack

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    Saw the show in NYC and it was great. Couple of things Iíd like to address. Regarding ticket prices, that price was no different then any other high profile big tour. That $250 that people always reference was for the VIP, seats closest to the stage. Very common. If you couldnít afford that, or didnít want to sit/stand that close there were other price options. Also itís always mentioned, Scherrie and Lynda looked so small on stage, or you could land an airplane between them and Diana. Well, that stage was huge. They at different times throughout the concert had to be spaced out so audience members could have a good view of a Supreme, and work the entire stage. They were constantly on the move rotating positions, and many times were side by side with Diana. Throughout the whole concert on the projection screens it was projected in a way where the camera focused on Scherrie and Lynda was shown together with the camera on Diana so that the audience saw them together. The moments they were standing side by side were magical. But wasnít necessary for the whole concert with a stage that big, and from a practical point of view would not have made sense.

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    Khan--will you please explain who these artists are whose tickets were $250? I've never heard of that--certainly not at any show I ever went to. I can't even think of any artist worth that much money. I guess what I was trying to say was this tour was for the fans and to put it in that price range was certain to alienate half of them. The Jacksons pulled that crap in the 80's, against Michael's wishes, and the public turned on them. IMO deservedly so.

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    I wanted to see the show so bad in Philly but couldn't afford the tickets at the time. I kept hinting to my family and friends it would make a great birthday gift. But no one got the hint 😒

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    Awww--so sorry, Floy. I know the feeling. I was a big 5th dimension fan as a kid, and the group came to Buffalo in 1974 to Melody Fair, right before they split up. I wasn't old enough to drive, nor did I have any money, but my parents couldn't be bothered to take me to see them. Even though it's ancient history I still sort of resent them for it. Seeing them at that age would have been the high point of my life

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    Many years later, I saw Diana solo; my 2nd row ticket was about $80. So $250.00 was a very hefty price.

    When you think about the stages and the venues the Supremes played in the 60's; these year 2000 venues were simply too big. MSG might have sold out, but that's New York. You'd be hard pressed to sell 20k seats to a Supremes show in the Midwest. If they had played something like the Orphum (3k seats approx.) it would have been perfect.

    It was just too much and over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khansperac View Post
    Saw the show in NYC and it was great. Couple of things Iíd like to address. Regarding ticket prices, that price was no different then any other high profile big tour. That $250 that people always reference was for the VIP, seats closest to the stage. Very common. If you couldnít afford that, or didnít want to sit/stand that close there were other price options. Also itís always mentioned, Scherrie and Lynda looked so small on stage, or you could land an airplane between them and Diana. Well, that stage was huge. They at different times throughout the concert had to be spaced out so audience members could have a good view of a Supreme, and work the entire stage. They were constantly on the move rotating positions, and many times were side by side with Diana. Throughout the whole concert on the projection screens it was projected in a way where the camera focused on Scherrie and Lynda was shown together with the camera on Diana so that the audience saw them together. The moments they were standing side by side were magical. But wasnít necessary for the whole concert with a stage that big, and from a practical point of view would not have made sense.
    Hi Khan, I'm new here but just wanted to say that I was at the MSG show and it was incredible. The ladies were all in amazing voice and it was worth the price just to hear and see Diana sing Reach Out, I'll be There and Forever Came Today.

    Regarding ticket prices, I also agree that the prices were not unusual for premium seats. I have regularly paid $125 plus for Diana at various NYC venues and NJ casinos over the last 15-20 years. As for other artists, always purchased at Ticketmaster: $750 per ticket for Madonna's Reinvention Tour and regularly $300 plus for other tours. Janet over $150 for not great seats at the 1993 Janet Tour. Paid $325 for Justin Timberlake Man of the Woods Tour and about the same for the 20/20 tour. Even tickets for good seats for Maroon 5 were $235. Barbra's return to touring in 1994 was also over $300. Great seats just keep getting more and more expensive.

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    Deepdishus2001 thanks for providing that info, and welcome to the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khansperac View Post
    Deepdishus2001 thanks for providing that info, and welcome to the forum.
    Thank you for the welcome Khansperac. Iíve been reading the posts for well over 4 years. I recognize a lot of the posters from the old Yahoo! International Diana Ross Fan Club or Ultimate Fans Club. A lot of interesting information and opinions here.

    I have loved going to concerts since I was 17. My first Diana concert, believe it or not, was Central Park, the rainy one. 🤣 I have seen here about 30-35 times since then.

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    Deepdishus is right about ticket prices. They really tend to vary, depending on the artist, city and venue. Bigger cities tend to be more pricey. Ticket prices have also skyrocketed in the last five years, pre-pandemic, of course. To score tickets within the first few rows for Diana's Vegas show, which is in a much more intimate venue, is over $200. I think the last time I saw her in Toronto during summer of 2019, we also paid just over $200 CAD for third row. Well worth it!

    I also saw her in Toronto during the RTL tour and we had seats in the lower bowl, not super close to the stage, but I guess what you would consider to be 'mid-tier'. Those were about $120 CAD each. For the year 2000, the prices were in the higher range for tours of that calibre. It was one glitzy, expensive show, and quite amazing!

    The most I ever paid for a show was to see Barbra Streisand during her last tour in 2016. I paid $500 to sit in the fifth row. I knew it could possibly be my only chance to see her, and I have no regrets!

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    Hello Carlo, yes the big cities, especially NYC, are very expensive for tickets. I have seen Madonna in Miami and Houston and Diana in Houston and the tickets were also expensive and Celine in Vegas was a bundle also.

    I understand regrets, never got to see Michael or Prince. My biggest concert regrets.

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    Hi Deepdishus, welcome to the forum! I also have some concert regrets as well. I think my biggest one was not seeing Tina Turner on her last tour in 2008. Circumstances at the time didn't allow for me to go, but at the very least, we have the DVD's and footage available to us.

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    My guess is 'yes', with less expensive tickets and, perhaps, for the shows in the contemporary future smaller venues. After Wilson's 'How insulting to MEEEE!' tirade most of the public (who had no idea of who she was) would have been on-board at a lower ticket price and smaller (6,000 or so seats) venues. And a cut in production values if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceNHarmony View Post
    After Wilson's 'How insulting to MEEEE!' tirade most of the public (who had no idea of who she was)
    I would think the majority of people interested in getting Supremes tickets at the time had a good idea of who Mary Wilson was. Few would have been able to name Scherrie or Lynda however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Hi Deepdishus, welcome to the forum! I also have some concert regrets as well. I think my biggest one was not seeing Tina Turner on her last tour in 2008. Circumstances at the time didn't allow for me to go, but at the very least, we have the DVD's and footage available to us.
    Thank you so much Carlo. I love love love Tina too. Got to see her twice, once with Chris Isaak as the opening act and the other time with Cyndi Lauper. If I recall, it was so long ago, it was at the time the Private Dancer album was starting to make inroads in the U.S. The show was at Radio City Music Hall. My biggest non-regret, if it can be termed that way, was getting to see George Michael on his US 25 Live tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi Stubbs Tears View Post
    I would think the majority of people interested in getting Supremes tickets at the time had a good idea of who Mary Wilson was. Few would have been able to name Scherrie or Lynda however.
    Agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deepdishus2001 View Post
    Thank you so much Carlo. I love love love Tina too. Got to see her twice, once with Chris Isaak as the opening act and the other time with Cyndi Lauper. If I recall, it was so long ago, it was at the time the Private Dancer album was starting to make inroads in the U.S. The show was at Radio City Music Hall. My biggest non-regret, if it can be termed that way, was getting to see George Michael on his US 25 Live tour.
    The Tina Turner tour featuring Cyndi Lauper that had an engagement at Radio City was the supporting tour for the Wildest Dreams album. (Cyndi also had a new lp, Sisters of Avalon). This took place in July of '97. Chris Isaak opened for Tina's 1993 What's Love tour, which was in support of the movie and soundtrack lp. I've been lucky to see Tina in every tour that has stopped in the NYC metro area since the legendary April '71 Carnegie Hall Ike & Tina Revue tour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Hi Deepdishus, welcome to the forum! I also have some concert regrets as well. I think my biggest one was not seeing Tina Turner on her last tour in 2008. Circumstances at the time didn't allow for me to go, but at the very least, we have the DVD's and footage available to us.
    That final tour was good, yet featured some serious (in my opinion) missteps. But Tina looked good, sounded great (at least at the performance I attended) and seemed happy. Highlights were the red-curtain-goddess-descending-to-earth intro and an all-too-brief rendition of the Stones' Jumpin' Jack Flash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceNHarmony View Post
    The Tina Turner tour featuring Cyndi Lauper that had an engagement at Radio City was the supporting tour for the Wildest Dreams album. (Cyndi also had a new lp, Sisters of Avalon). This took place in July of '97. Chris Isaak opened for Tina's 1993 What's Love tour, which was in support of the movie and soundtrack lp. I've been lucky to see Tina in every tour that has stopped in the NYC metro area since the legendary April '71 Carnegie Hall Ike & Tina Revue tour!
    Thanks, it was so long ago I just couldnít remember which tour it was. Wildest Dreams is my favorite post Private Dancer Tina album. Wasnít that crazy about Cyndiís Sisters of Avalon. I much preferred Hatful of Stars. Also got to see Cyndi along with Wild Orchid open for Cher on the Believe tour. It was at the Jones Beach Theater in July and it was a 1000 degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marybrewster View Post

    The venues were WAY TOO BIG. The clips I've seen of MSG, Scherrie and Lynda are standing about a city block away from each other. Then there were the dancers. Not needed whatsoever.
    And let's add to that...and the extra background singers standing in back of Sherrie and Lynda who were not needed either.
    Last edited by jobucats; 01-16-2021 at 05:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobucats View Post
    And let's add to that...and the extra background singers standing in back of Sherrie and Lynda who were not needed either.
    As much as I respect Scherrie and Lynda and their talents, I think those extra background singers were needed in order to fill out the sound. They needed fuller sounding background vocals on that tour, in order to match the big sound of the orchestra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    As much as I respect Scherrie and Lynda and their talents, I think those extra background singers were needed in order to fill out the sound. They needed fuller sounding background vocals on that tour, in order to match the big sound of the orchestra.
    That's a good point; and the orchestra did have such a big sound. My perspective was that I was expecting more of a concert/performance like back in the day where they didn't have extra singers in their venues. I was expecting to the purity of three singers alone performing. Btw, the orchestra and those singers were extremely good.

  27. #27
    Like many posters are recognizing, the tour could have been fixed - reduced in several ways - but I donít believe Diana was willing - so that was the end.

    They could have included other Supremes as Diana had said - but I doubt Jean would have joined - nor Mary if Supremes other than Diana and Cindy were involved

    But sure could have worked

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    Jean turned this down. She felt insulted that she'd have to audition.

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    I saw Tina's Private Dancer tour at the NJ Meadowlands indoors....huge venue. Thank God for the screens...we were 3 rows off the back wall, very top, and without the screens they could have put any black woman in a blondish wig up there to recorded tracks and told me it was Tina Turner....she was also the LOUDEST concert I ever went to...and that includes Pink Floyd, Mountain and many more "Hard" rock bands....she was great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyC View Post
    Jean turned this down. She felt insulted that she'd have to audition.
    no supreme ever had to audition for RTL. That is a complete lie and any supreme who said that they had to audition is guilty of that. Every supreme was invited to participate in the show regardless of what shape their voice was in. The reason that tapes were requested was so that the arrangers Would know what they had to work with. It was nothing more than reconnaissance so that they could plan. Cindy’s voice was not in good shape and Diana knew that, plus she had seen Sherry and lynda the year before on stage, she had no idea how to Susaye and Jean sounded, but there was never any indication whatsoever that they would not be included if they didn’t sound well.

    it is all a moot point however, because Mary had absolutely no intention of getting on the stage with Jean lynda, Scherrie or Susaye - Naty wanted DMC and DMC only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyC View Post
    Khan--will you please explain who these artists are whose tickets were $250? I've never heard of that--certainly not at any show I ever went to. I can't even think of any artist worth that much money. I guess what I was trying to say was this tour was for the fans and to put it in that price range was certain to alienate half of them. The Jacksons pulled that crap in the 80's, against Michael's wishes, and the public turned on them. IMO deservedly so.
    both Santana and Crosby, Stills & Nash were charging 250 top.

    I agree that the dancers, as used, we’re completely unnecessary and overblown. I could see if there was a point in the show where the girls needed to be upstate for a few minutes that they could’ve had a few dancers come out and do an incredible routine, but the mess that they had with all those costume changes….to quote Livia Soprano, “uuuueeeuuuucccckkk”

    I didn’t care how much the tickets were, because after I saw the first show I had to see it again and again. My partner Cared a great deal how much the tickets were, however. There were reasonably priced seats in the upper bowl’s that went down to $39 in many cities but I think in New York and Las Vegas the cheapest tickets were $49, but don’t quote me on that. I know they were charging between 80 and $125 at Madison Square Garden to sit behind the curtain when everything else was sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNSUN View Post
    I saw the RTL Tour in Phila. opening night, along with friends, June 2000. Loved the show. Bought tickets for a later show. Then, fate cancelled it
    Were there any further negotiations midway during the tour? Sadly, nobody could turn the beat around to finalize an agreement. I would have a rotating line up and also include the later hits.
    that’s the million dollar question: could the tour have been revamped with Mary & Cindy?

    I know that Mary wanted to do the tour for the 4 million, and Cindy always wanted to do the tour and would have accepted the first offer. I don’t know, but I think at that point Mary would’ve been amenable to being on stage with Sherry and lynda and the others if they were going to be others.

    By then the problem was Diana, who was fed up with Mary’s mouth…. - yet again. After being called selfish and other stuff on 20/20, and that awful veiled comment about Flo’s passing and Diana’s part in it, I’m sure she wrote Mary off for good and nothing could ever ever ever get her onstage with Mary again. Even at the Motown musical, it was very clear Diana wanted zilch to do with Mary - she and Berry wouldn’t even arrive until Mary was told to get off the red carpet and go inside. I witnessed that.

    For a little while in the past few years, they were communicating a bit, but that isn’t happening anymore - At least with any regularity.

  33. #33
    There are many reasons that this tour never succeeded, but from the filmed performance I've watched everyone in the audience were enjoying reliving the music and the essence of the Supremes, all 3 ladies on the staged played their part in the legacy of the group. If this tour had continued and came to Europe I believe there could of been a chance that it would of had more support and we could of even got the release of the rumoured Return to love track.
    A DVD of the tour would be a welcome release for the 60th anniversary of the Supremes

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    We all rehash it because there was such promise - "reflections of a time that could have been"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac View Post
    that’s the million dollar question: could the tour have been revamped with Mary & Cindy?

    I know that Mary wanted to do the tour for the 4 million, and Cindy always wanted to do the tour and would have accepted the first offer. I don’t know, but I think at that point Mary would’ve been amenable to being on stage with Sherry and lynda and the others if they were going to be others.

    By then the problem was Diana, who was fed up with Mary’s mouth…. - yet again. After being called selfish and other stuff on 20/20, and that awful veiled comment about Flo’s passing and Diana’s part in it, I’m sure she wrote Mary off for good and nothing could ever ever ever get her onstage with Mary again. Even at the Motown musical, it was very clear Diana wanted zilch to do with Mary - she and Berry wouldn’t even arrive until Mary was told to get off the red carpet and go inside. I witnessed that.

    For a little while in the past few years, they were communicating a bit, but that isn’t happening anymore - At least with any regularity.
    And, really, who could find fault with Diana? The snark never ended, and as we recall from "Secrets of a Sparrow' Wilson was given to talking behind Diana's back, even when Diana's back was not turned. It was the snark, not the $ or the particularities of the tour, that lead Diana to say 'answer: no'. Let us recall the other thread, the one for 'Farewell', wherein difficulties in obtaining clean takes were caused by the barbs of one Supreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac View Post
    no supreme ever had to audition for RTL. That is a complete lie and any supreme who said that they had to audition is guilty of that. Every supreme was invited to participate in the show regardless of what shape their voice was in. The reason that tapes were requested was so that the arrangers Would know what they had to work with. It was nothing more than reconnaissance so that they could plan. Cindy’s voice was not in good shape and Diana knew that, plus she had seen Sherry and lynda the year before on stage, she had no idea how to Susaye and Jean sounded, but there was never any indication whatsoever that they would not be included if they didn’t sound well.

    it is all a moot point however, because Mary had absolutely no intention of getting on the stage with Jean lynda, Scherrie or Susaye - Naty wanted DMC and DMC only.
    Then it was not made clear to several Supremes that "sending tapes" was not an audition. Because that's exactly what they said.

    I mean , do you think Telma and Joyce have to send tapes when Tony reunites with Dawn?

    The biggest misconception about this entire thing is that it was a reunion. It was not, from day 1. No musical artists signs contracts and negotiates first without even knowing what the concept or expectation is. Diana herself said "all that had to do was show up". She forgot this was 2000 and not 1970. She alone holds no power over the Supremes.

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    Diana had no clue what the fans were willing to pay money to see.
    Mary was totally untrustworthy and thus had to be ruled out.

    It was dead in the water before the first ticket was sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marybrewster View Post
    Then it was not made clear to several Supremes that "sending tapes" was not an audition. Because that's exactly what they said.

    I mean , do you think Telma and Joyce have to send tapes when Tony reunites with Dawn?

    The biggest misconception about this entire thing is that it was a reunion. It was not, from day 1. No musical artists signs contracts and negotiates first without even knowing what the concept or expectation is. Diana herself said "all that had to do was show up". She forgot this was 2000 and not 1970. She alone holds no power over the Supremes.
    I dont think Diana was saying all Mary had to do was show up as a negative comment or acting like she was in charge of Mary. She was saying that there was nothing being demanded of Mary. She wanted Mary to be on the tour and that she did not have to do anything but show up and all would be done for her. Afterall, Mary is an original Supreme.
    NOW....If your the type that always looks for an opportunity to make Diana the bad person in every scenario...you would take that comment and any other comments she could make as that of being mean to Mary.

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    Well I have to admit that I was taken in by Mary back in the 80's when I read her books. Now that I am older, I see the situation between her and DR very differently. Every time I hear Mary saying of DR "I love the woman" I cringe. I find DR to be much more honest about the relationship and I respect that. I think I'd like DR if I met her

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyC View Post
    Well I have to admit that I was taken in by Mary back in the 80's when I read her books. Now that I am older, I see the situation between her and DR very differently. Every time I hear Mary saying of DR "I love the woman" I cringe. I find DR to be much more honest about the relationship and I respect that. I think I'd like DR if I met her
    With Ms Ross it is a case of what you see is what you get. She can be extremely challenging to say the very least. She is very demanding and expects everyone to give 101% just as she does, but on the other hand she is very loyal and very kind to a fault. Not many see that side of her. I have very rarely heard her criticise anyone in public. She tends to leave that to other people. I have nothing but love and respect for the lady. I really do think you would like her if you met her.

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    I heard Mary say at beginning of the tour that it was about the fact that her input was not considered and all she had to do was show up and as a founder member she wanted her opinion heard. After the tour she said it was the money and that she was not being compensated properly.

    If this were the case why didn't Mary just say here is what its going to take for me to do the tour or why didn't Diana's people just ask what's it going to take to do this tour. I agree that there was too much personal BS involved in this.

    However, I am glad the tour never happen with Mary and Diana. Can you just imagine the backlash we would have got from this tour ?

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    I agree, Blue. DR tends to take the high road. I doubt she would have even come forward on RTL had Mary not forced her into it. I love Mary but how she goes about things is a mystery to me. Back in 1974 when the Supremes didn't even have a contract with Motown, she decided it would be a good idea to basically tell Berry off, saying she was going to read her contract "very carefully." She had zero bargaining power at that point but acted like she did. It's bizarre. I don't get it. What was she trying to achieve by going to the press about RTL? Calling Scherrie and Lynda fakes? She alienated everybody--that's about all she achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyC View Post
    I agree, Blue. DR tends to take the high road. I doubt she would have even come forward on RTL had Mary not forced her into it. I love Mary but how she goes about things is a mystery to me. Back in 1974 when the Supremes didn't even have a contract with Motown, she decided it would be a good idea to basically tell Berry off, saying she was going to read her contract "very carefully." She had zero bargaining power at that point but acted like she did. It's bizarre. I don't get it. What was she trying to achieve by going to the press about RTL? Calling Scherrie and Lynda fakes? She alienated everybody--that's about all she achieved.
    I have my own opinions about Mary and how she sometimes conducts herself in public, but we do not want ww3 to erupt on here so i shall not pursue that topic, but i do agree with you that Diana would have maintained a dignified silence had Mary not gone running to the press about RTL.
    Last edited by Bluebrock; 01-29-2021 at 02:51 AM.

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    I am semi-new to this forum and have never seen anybody get nasty. These stars are fallible as we all are. I don't idolize any of them--I just enjoy their talent.

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    That has been mentioned on here numerous times over time. I’ve learned to take most criticisms with a grain of salt seeing that a lot will give their opinions without facts to back it up. I enjoy all of the ladies and will never knock one down to make another great. They’re human and should be treated that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyC View Post
    I am semi-new to this forum and have never seen anybody get nasty. These stars are fallible as we all are. I don't idolize any of them--I just enjoy their talent.

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    i've heard a variety of interpretations as to what was being asked of Mary/what she was allowed to do.

    As an original Supreme, i do agree that Mary had a right to be involved in the planning of the show. her input and perspective as to song content, set list, stage dialog, look, etc. Mary put in the most work and longest tenure as a Supreme and therefore none of this would have been out of line to expect

    on the flip side, Mary was not fronting the tour and was also to receive a flat salary. the costs of the gowns, the band, the construction costs for the sets, the development of the music charts - none of that was being paid for upfront by Mary. And regardless of whether shows were sold out or not, she would get her money.

    Diana was not paid a flat salary but a %. so she take from the shows could vary.

    in the press, Mary said she was being told "just show up and sing" and how disrespectful. Diana was (before the real shit storm started) was saying Mary needed to first come to a finalized agree with the promoters and THEN the two of them would work on the details. it's probably a situation where both AND neither are correct lol. yes before Mary could work on details and help lead the show, she would have to finalize her contract with the promoters. so her line about being excluded really isn't true YET. until she was contracted, she wouldn't be part of the proceedings

    now once she DID sign, the question becomes how much would Diana really relinquish? this could potentially mean a LOT of working hours laying out the plans and everything between her and Mary. was she REALLY going to do that? let Mary take charge of some things? share? i don't know how much Diana would do this with anyone, much less mary wilson

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    The problem from the get go is Diana shouldn't have been fronting the reunion. Regardless of anything, Mary was not going to be of Diana's employ. So not even equal in any way imaginable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marybrewster View Post
    The problem from the get go is Diana shouldn't have been fronting the reunion. Regardless of anything, Mary was not going to be of Diana's employ. So not even equal in any way imaginable.
    The problem is. This was Diana Rossí tour. So she was fronting it. The promoters wouldnít have done the tour without Diana Ross. As you can see there is no interest by any promoter to finance and plan a tour with Mary Wilson fronting a Supremes concert or tour.
    Last edited by vgalindo; 01-29-2021 at 03:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgalindo View Post
    The problem is. This was Diana Ross’ tour. So she was fronting it. The promoters wouldn’t have done the tour without Diana Ross. As you can see there is no interest by any promoter to finance and plan a tour with Mary Wilson fronting a Supremes concert or tour.
    Certainly so. That's probably why Wilson (sans Covid) does not tour with the Supremes touring group.

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