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    Diana Ross’ Eponymous Debut Solo Album ‘Diana Ross’ Turns 50 | Anniversary Retrospect


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    A lengthy glowing review

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    It is a glorious album and my favorite from her.

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    At the time, I didn’t listen to it a lot but in retrospect, it’s a very strong album

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    Great review, I agree with the last paragraph! No one was doing it like Diana Ross. NO ONE.

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    Love it!

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    agreed it's a wonderful set. shows great growth and development as a singer.

    if you compare this to the mediocre albums like Cream of the Crop or Sunshine, the change is startling. although there was strong material being recorded in 68 and 69 that would line up nicely with were she was in 1970 with this album.

    the only nit pick is the include of These Things. it's a fine track but acoustically, just so different from that A&S content. sort of interrupts things.

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    I love this LP....like Surrender, side 1 was instantly likable....side 2 took a longer time to enjoy...but other than Baby It's Me and (GASP!) Ross '78 I did not like a complete LP from the get go....seems I am a side 1 guy: Reflections, Love Child, DR 76, The Boss, Last Time I Saw Him....side 1 got the big approval long before side 2 was played often.

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    Great article and really insightful review of the album. I was pretty young when I first heard the album, and concluded it was a bit too "sedate" for my taste at the time. Although I've grown to appreciate it much more since then, I still think it's a little too "one note" and would have benefited from a couple more upbeat numbers. There's nothing wrong with the album as a mood piece, but I just find some of the songs and arrangements too similar in mood and tone to be a classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
    I love this LP....like Surrender, side 1 was instantly likable....side 2 took a longer time to enjoy...but other than Baby It's Me and (GASP!) Ross '78 I did not like a complete LP from the get go....seems I am a side 1 guy: Reflections, Love Child, DR 76, The Boss, Last Time I Saw Him....side 1 got the big approval long before side 2 was played often.
    ”Baby It’s Me” and Ross 78 mentioned in the same breath...Hmmm lol.
    An Interesting observation about side 1. Although they are all enjoyable, i also prefer the side 1 of all the albums you mention. In the case of LTISH most definitely so. It would appear that often, not always the moe radio friendly songs are put on the opening side. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
    The exception for me is TMITM where I really dig the more adult orientated songs on side 2.

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    yeah....I really enjoy the ROSS '78 LP...with the exception of Together I love the entire Lp. I wasn't that wild about disco by this point, but that LP mix (and only that particular mix) of Lovin' Livin' and Givin' is one of my all time fav DR songs...as far as Baby It's Me..Too Shy to Say and Confide In Me are my 2 least fav songs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
    yeah....I really enjoy the ROSS '78 LP...with the exception of Together I love the entire Lp. I wasn't that wild about disco by this point, but that LP mix (and only that particular mix) of Lovin' Livin' and Givin' is one of my all time fav DR songs...as far as Baby It's Me..Too Shy to Say and Confide In Me are my 2 least fav songs..
    I agree with you about Together (probably my least favorite Michael Masser song) and Lovin' (Ross '78 version is also the only one for me).

    ”Baby It’s Me” and Ross 78 mentioned in the same breath...Hmmm lol.
    Lol. I love all of BIM! Your Love Is So Good For Me had to grow on me. It might have fit better on Ross '78.

    The exception for me is TMITM where I really dig the more adult orientated songs on side 2.
    Yeah, come to think of it, TMITM is definitely one that I prefer Side 2 (but I like the whole album).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
    yeah....I really enjoy the ROSS '78 LP...
    For years I’d heard rumours of some folks enjoyment, but in truth never fully believed it.....Until now that is!!.

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    Hmmm, now I have to ponder if I'm a side 1 or side 2 guy. Time for a new thread...

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    Oh, and about Diana's debut album...meh. Just kidding. While I'm not as wowed by it as so many others obviously are, it was a great debut. Diana hadn't recorded an album that cohesively good since Love Child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Oh, and about Diana's debut album...meh. Just kidding. While I'm not as wowed by it as so many others obviously are, it was a great debut. Diana hadn't recorded an album that cohesively good since Love Child.
    ok Ran - since you're upset that i've been agreeing with you, here ya go lololol

    xoxoxo

    i would say motown hadn't released as cohesively good of an album on Diana Ross since Love Child.

    you and i seem to love playing "producer" with our playlists. Sunshine, Cream and even the Reflections lps get a bit of black eyes since they're so hodge podge with content. if you sat down with all of the tracks available at the time of each lp release, you can shuffle tracks around and make some much stronger albums. and by doing so, some songs that were duds on one set because they seemed so out of place, begin to find a home alongside similar and appropriate content.

    if you take a handful of the Cream tracks, a couple of the tracks from Sun and LC, plus some of the L&F tracks, you can make a wonderful interesting and mature-sounding final album for DRATS.

    and now here's where you and i can start to cross swords lolol - arguing over which tracks to include in our re-produced albums lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    ok Ran - since you're upset that i've been agreeing with you, here ya go lololol

    xoxoxo

    i would say motown hadn't released as cohesively good of an album on Diana Ross since Love Child.

    you and i seem to love playing "producer" with our playlists. Sunshine, Cream and even the Reflections lps get a bit of black eyes since they're so hodge podge with content. if you sat down with all of the tracks available at the time of each lp release, you can shuffle tracks around and make some much stronger albums. and by doing so, some songs that were duds on one set because they seemed so out of place, begin to find a home alongside similar and appropriate content.

    if you take a handful of the Cream tracks, a couple of the tracks from Sun and LC, plus some of the L&F tracks, you can make a wonderful interesting and mature-sounding final album for DRATS.

    and now here's where you and i can start to cross swords lolol - arguing over which tracks to include in our re-produced albums lol
    Ha! Yeah, blame Motown.

    Okay, I have to come back for a producer session of Sunshine/Cream. Don't have the time at the moment.

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    My complaint with this album is sales.
    Great debute but how could an album this good sell only 500 000 copies.
    Touch me sold over one million.
    Seems strange to me but I would concede that BG releasing EIE on top of this album hurt sales.... But even for the long run. What the fudge

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    I cross swords with everyone: I do not care for the Love Child album. From its tepid stereo mix to her hoarse vocals on too many tracks, I have to say, “meh.” I prefer Cream, Reflevtions and maybe even Sunshine ....yes I do. There’s really not one coat on the entire album I ever feel like listening to and that includes that awful stereo mix of the title tune. At least on the other albums, I can pick 12345 songs that I enjoy even if there are some horrible clinkers. On love child, there really aren’t any horrible clinkers, but there’s nothing I find compelling. Next to funny girl, and join the Temptations, it’s the Supremes album I play the least. My problem with it is, that I like commercial sounding songs with a hook and clever Production. I think the fact that the title song sold over 2 million copies and yet the album barely did any better than the reflections album. If word of mouth has been good on this album, it would easily have gone top 10.

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    Perhaps TCB and Join hurt the Love Child LP sales...plus there was the recent LIVE Talk of The Town Lp and Funny Girl....Late '68 there was a lot of recent Supremes stuff around...I was 8 yrs old and a brand new fan at the time...which is why I am partial to Cindy over Flo....AND every time I went and hung out at the new small record store down the street, I kept seeing this WHITE album getting picked up....they always had about 6 copies in the top first bin..and I saw a lot of Tommy James and the Shondells Lp's get taken to the register too....this store had ONE 6 across/6 up vertical record bin...but an entire wall of 8 Track tapes...I remember they sold players, and had some pre recorded Reel to Reel and cassette / mini PlayTapes too...but his big thing was Top 40 singles and 8 tracks. I was his first customer...I got the blue 2 LP Greatest Hits LP and he taped my $5 bill to the wall...I think it was $5.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
    Perhaps TCB and Join hurt the Love Child LP sales...plus there was the recent LIVE Talk of The Town Lp and Funny Girl....Late '68 there was a lot of recent Supremes stuff around...I was 8 yrs old and a brand new fan at the time...which is why I am partial to Cindy over Flo....AND every time I went and hung out at the new small record store down the street, I kept seeing this WHITE album getting picked up....they always had about 6 copies in the top first bin..and I saw a lot of Tommy James and the Shondells Lp's get taken to the register too....this store had ONE 6 across/6 up vertical record bin...but an entire wall of 8 Track tapes...I remember they sold players, and had some pre recorded Reel to Reel and cassette / mini PlayTapes too...but his big thing was Top 40 singles and 8 tracks. I was his first customer...I got the blue 2 LP Greatest Hits LP and he taped my $5 bill to the wall...I think it was $5.99
    Great post. Wonderful story! I love that the iconic, best-selling Greatest Hits album was his first sale. I love that you were 8 years old, with such great taste (and money, too).

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    Question

    There weren't too many (any?) great Supremes albums. Not a surprise that Diana's first album was considered more of a 'concept album' though it wasn't still great. It probably took another 9 years before 'Boss' and then 'diana' could be considered real albums rather than just 'a couple of likely hits plus another few filler tracks on'.

    Of all the Motown artists in the 60s & 70s only songwriters like Marvin or Stevie put out decent albums and often they had to fight against the Motown (singles) quality control panel to gete them released.

    it's actually surprising (considering Berry/Diana had planned her solo career for quite a few years) that this album wasn't better.

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    This Album is very good. Great production, great vocals, and song selection. It stands as one of the best debut albums by a solo artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky2012 View Post
    Great post. Wonderful story! I love that the iconic, best-selling Greatest Hits album was his first sale. I love that you were 8 years old, with such great taste (and money, too).
    @gman I totally agree! You brought back memories of walking into those wonderful record shops back in the day, the sounds and the smells and the ambience when I was discovering this great music. Thank you!
    Last edited by kenneth; 06-29-2020 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi Stubbs Tears View Post
    There weren't too many (any?) great Supremes albums. Not a surprise that Diana's first album was considered more of a 'concept album' though it wasn't still great. It probably took another 9 years before 'Boss' and then 'diana' could be considered real albums rather than just 'a couple of likely hits plus another few filler tracks on'.

    Of all the Motown artists in the 60s & 70s only songwriters like Marvin or Stevie put out decent albums and often they had to fight against the Motown (singles) quality control panel to gete them released.

    it's actually surprising (considering Berry/Diana had planned her solo career for quite a few years) that this album wasn't better.
    I agree that I don’t think the album Was great, but it was a giant step better than the studio albums of 68 and 69. (As was as right on.) I disagree that the other albums were a lot of filler because personally I think touch me in the morning and diana ross 1976 were ideal for the time, and I think their sales indicated that.

    I’m also surprised that more thought and effort was put into her debut album, for that matter her debut single. They took her debut single, wrote “and The Supremes“ on it And there goes her guaranteed number one solo debut record. Instead we got reach out and touch. I don’t think Berry Gordy had been planning for quite a few years, or even quite a few months. I’m shocked that he brought in Bones Howe But the results were interesting and I think the interim would’ve been great on the first album instead of somethings on my mind or keep an eye retread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddh View Post
    My complaint with this album is sales.
    Great debute but how could an album this good sell only 500 000 copies.
    Touch me sold over one million.
    Seems strange to me but I would concede that BG releasing EIE on top of this album hurt sales.... But even for the long run. What the fudge
    Keep in mind that when the album was released, "Reach Out" was the only single. It was another month before "Mountain" was released and still a couple months before it hit #1. I wonder how much of the "official" sales tally came pre and post "Mountain". Also under consideration is would the album have sold better using "Mountain" as the title? And still one more thing to ponder: we die hard Diana fans love to think that the world was waiting with bated breath for her solo arrival, when in fact the world pretty much went "meh" when she did. And that may have extended to the debut album as well. The momentum of the massive success of "Mountain" is slowed by the stupidity that would be Diana's singles and albums schedule up until Lady Sings.

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    Motown was a singles label, it rarely sold many albums. Back in the '60s, the only constant album selling act there were the Supremes, but I believe of those albums:

    Where Did Our Love Go only got as far as over 950,000, whereas The Supremes A Go-Go hovered around the one million mark but not quite getting there, while their Greatest Hits sold around over maybe, what, 1.5 million?

    Whereas other Motown artists were lucky to sell 300,000 copies of an album. This includes established acts like Mary Wells, Marvin Gaye, the Four Tops, the Temptations, etc.

    Even with the "last superstars on the Motown assembly line", the Jackson 5, never had an album sell a million copies in the states, all of their hit albums (namely the first four) hovered between 750,000-900,000 copies each, while their own Greatest Hits album MIGHT have sold a million, if that, whereas their other albums totally flopped afterwards.

    So imagine an album with as much push as Diana Ross in the timeframe of 1970 when barely anyone was selling one million copies an album (and the only ones doing that were Elvis and the Beatles), her debut doing over 500,000 copies was considered a huge success.

    But that stopped being something to brag about once Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder began releasing their own automonous albums and suddenly these acts were selling between 1-5 million copies an album for a time in the 1970s and they both peaked in that timeframe around 1977.

    Diana only had three million-selling albums as a solo artist while at Motown (and one more after she left initially in the early '80s): "Lady Sings the Blues", "Touch Me in the Morning" and "Diana" from '80.

    Whereas more modest releases like Surrender, the 1976 self-titled album and her duet album with Marvin hovered around, maybe, 450,000-700,000 copies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Keep in mind that when the album was released, "Reach Out" was the only single. It was another month before "Mountain" was released and still a couple months before it hit #1. I wonder how much of the "official" sales tally came pre and post "Mountain". Also under consideration is would the album have sold better using "Mountain" as the title? And still one more thing to ponder: we die hard Diana fans love to think that the world was waiting with bated breath for her solo arrival, when in fact the world pretty much went "meh" when she did. And that may have extended to the debut album as well. The momentum of the massive success of "Mountain" is slowed by the stupidity that would be Diana's singles and albums schedule up until Lady Sings.
    Motown was trying too hard with Diana, I think. Instead of building on singles from the 1970 album, they moved quickly to a second album that came out in the end of the year and then another album right afterwards.

    Motown was oversaturating the market with so many LPs that many just didn't really pay attention. Berry Gordy just didn't know what he was doing half the time as far as Diana's music was concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Oh, and about Diana's debut album...meh. Just kidding. While I'm not as wowed by it as so many others obviously are, it was a great debut. Diana hadn't recorded an album that cohesively good since Love Child.
    I always felt Diana could've been a better artist if Motown hadn't released album after album the way they did. They nearly worked that poor skinny girl to death! SMH

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnightman View Post
    Motown was a singles label, it rarely sold many albums. Back in the '60s, the only constant album selling act there were the Supremes, but I believe of those albums:

    Where Did Our Love Go only got as far as over 950,000, whereas The Supremes A Go-Go hovered around the one million mark but not quite getting there, while their Greatest Hits sold around over maybe, what, 1.5 million?

    Whereas other Motown artists were lucky to sell 300,000 copies of an album. This includes established acts like Mary Wells, Marvin Gaye, the Four Tops, the Temptations, etc.

    Even with the "last superstars on the Motown assembly line", the Jackson 5, never had an album sell a million copies in the states, all of their hit albums (namely the first four) hovered between 750,000-900,000 copies each, while their own Greatest Hits album MIGHT have sold a million, if that, whereas their other albums totally flopped afterwards.

    So imagine an album with as much push as Diana Ross in the timeframe of 1970 when barely anyone was selling one million copies an album (and the only ones doing that were Elvis and the Beatles), her debut doing over 500,000 copies was considered a huge success.

    But that stopped being something to brag about once Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder began releasing their own automonous albums and suddenly these acts were selling between 1-5 million copies an album for a time in the 1970s and they both peaked in that timeframe around 1977.

    Diana only had three million-selling albums as a solo artist while at Motown (and one more after she left initially in the early '80s): "Lady Sings the Blues", "Touch Me in the Morning" and "Diana" from '80.

    Whereas more modest releases like Surrender, the 1976 self-titled album and her duet album with Marvin hovered around, maybe, 450,000-700,000 copies.
    If those figures are correct Midnight, that's an excellent point.

  31. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by midnightman View Post
    Motown was trying too hard with Diana, I think. Instead of building on singles from the 1970 album, they moved quickly to a second album that came out in the end of the year and then another album right afterwards.

    Motown was oversaturating the market with so many LPs that many just didn't really pay attention. Berry Gordy just didn't know what he was doing half the time as far as Diana's music was concerned.
    While I much prefer EIE to DR70, I'd be good if it ended up vaulted, and the follow up album had been Surrender. I think Surrender would've done better released when "Remember Me" had peaked and then the title cut was released as a single. Diana should've done some television promoting "Surrender" song. Maybe pull a third cut from the album or let it ride until Lady. The schedule of singles and albums between "Remember Me" and Lady Sings the Blues is absolutely horrible management. Somebody at the label wasn't doing his/her damn job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac View Post
    I cross swords with everyone: I do not care for the Love Child album. From its tepid stereo mix to her hoarse vocals on too many tracks, I have to say, “meh.” I prefer Cream, Reflevtions and maybe even Sunshine ....yes I do. There’s really not one coat on the entire album I ever feel like listening to and that includes that awful stereo mix of the title tune. At least on the other albums, I can pick 12345 songs that I enjoy even if there are some horrible clinkers. On love child, there really aren’t any horrible clinkers, but there’s nothing I find compelling. Next to funny girl, and join the Temptations, it’s the Supremes album I play the least. My problem with it is, that I like commercial sounding songs with a hook and clever Production. I think the fact that the title song sold over 2 million copies and yet the album barely did any better than the reflections album. If word of mouth has been good on this album, it would easily have gone top 10.
    it's always fun to compare! i like the LC album and find nearly all of the tracks well done. but there's such a stylistic and musical variety here that it's an odd album. on other albums there were some tracks that were weaker or needed to be part of the overall album set. Like The Boss lp - sparkle or I'm In The World. perfect within the context of that album. but maybe not so much so in another setting

    LC is where nearly every song is strong but there's such an odd array.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
    Perhaps TCB and Join hurt the Love Child LP sales...plus there was the recent LIVE Talk of The Town Lp and Funny Girl....Late '68 there was a lot of recent Supremes stuff around...I was 8 yrs old and a brand new fan at the time...which is why I am partial to Cindy over Flo....AND every time I went and hung out at the new small record store down the street, I kept seeing this WHITE album getting picked up....they always had about 6 copies in the top first bin..and I saw a lot of Tommy James and the Shondells Lp's get taken to the register too....this store had ONE 6 across/6 up vertical record bin...but an entire wall of 8 Track tapes...I remember they sold players, and had some pre recorded Reel to Reel and cassette / mini PlayTapes too...but his big thing was Top 40 singles and 8 tracks. I was his first customer...I got the blue 2 LP Greatest Hits LP and he taped my $5 bill to the wall...I think it was $5.99
    i think you're right about Join and TCB cutting into LC sales. they were all released right on top of one another.

    as fans, we seem to look for chart success and artistic integrity. At motown though (i'm guessing) they were looking at total revenue and sales

    If you release 1 great album, it might sell 1,000,000 copies

    if you released 3 ok albums, each might sell 400,000. but you've now sold a total of 1,200,000 and made more money

  34. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Levi Stubbs Tears View Post
    There weren't too many (any?) great Supremes albums. Not a surprise that Diana's first album was considered more of a 'concept album' though it wasn't still great. It probably took another 9 years before 'Boss' and then 'diana' could be considered real albums rather than just 'a couple of likely hits plus another few filler tracks on'.

    Of all the Motown artists in the 60s & 70s only songwriters like Marvin or Stevie put out decent albums and often they had to fight against the Motown (singles) quality control panel to gete them released.

    it's actually surprising (considering Berry/Diana had planned her solo career for quite a few years) that this album wasn't better.
    i'd disagree with this a bit. there are some exceptional supremes studio albums (i'm excluding Greatest Hits, anthologies, etc). and while nearly any lp could be improved upon, i'd say these have the quality to stand the test of time

    Where did our love to
    More hits
    Rodger's and hart
    Sam cooke
    Right On
    Touch
    Mary Scherrie & Susaye

    there are other strong lps but IMO these have more than stood the test of time, there's a level of quality throughout and iconic songs. very few WTF tracks

  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by midnightman View Post
    Motown was a singles label, it rarely sold many albums. Back in the '60s, the only constant album selling act there were the Supremes, but I believe of those albums:

    Where Did Our Love Go only got as far as over 950,000, whereas The Supremes A Go-Go hovered around the one million mark but not quite getting there, while their Greatest Hits sold around over maybe, what, 1.5 million?

    Whereas other Motown artists were lucky to sell 300,000 copies of an album. This includes established acts like Mary Wells, Marvin Gaye, the Four Tops, the Temptations, etc.

    Even with the "last superstars on the Motown assembly line", the Jackson 5, never had an album sell a million copies in the states, all of their hit albums (namely the first four) hovered between 750,000-900,000 copies each, while their own Greatest Hits album MIGHT have sold a million, if that, whereas their other albums totally flopped afterwards.

    So imagine an album with as much push as Diana Ross in the timeframe of 1970 when barely anyone was selling one million copies an album (and the only ones doing that were Elvis and the Beatles), her debut doing over 500,000 copies was considered a huge success.

    But that stopped being something to brag about once Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder began releasing their own automonous albums and suddenly these acts were selling between 1-5 million copies an album for a time in the 1970s and they both peaked in that timeframe around 1977.

    Diana only had three million-selling albums as a solo artist while at Motown (and one more after she left initially in the early '80s): "Lady Sings the Blues", "Touch Me in the Morning" and "Diana" from '80.

    Whereas more modest releases like Surrender, the 1976 self-titled album and her duet album with Marvin hovered around, maybe, 450,000-700,000 copies.
    i think your sales figures are off. According to Wikipedia (and i know - that's not an perfect source)

    Where - over 3 million copies
    Liverpool - 850K
    CW&P - 200k
    Sam Cook - 325K
    More - 1.7M
    Copa - 1.4M
    Symphony - 1.9M
    A Go go - 3.5M
    HDH - 1.5M
    R&H - 500K
    GH - 6.2M

  36. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    i think your sales figures are off. According to Wikipedia (and i know - that's not an perfect source)

    Where - over 3 million copies
    Liverpool - 850K
    CW&P - 200k
    Sam Cook - 325K
    More - 1.7M
    Copa - 1.4M
    Symphony - 1.9M
    A Go go - 3.5M
    HDH - 1.5M
    R&H - 500K
    GH - 6.2M
    I would trust my dog before I trust Wikipedia lol

  37. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Keep in mind that when the album was released, "Reach Out" was the only single. It was another month before "Mountain" was released and still a couple months before it hit #1. I wonder how much of the "official" sales tally came pre and post "Mountain". Also under consideration is would the album have sold better using "Mountain" as the title? And still one more thing to ponder: we die hard Diana fans love to think that the world was waiting with bated breath for her solo arrival, when in fact the world pretty much went "meh" when she did. And that may have extended to the debut album as well. The momentum of the massive success of "Mountain" is slowed by the stupidity that would be Diana's singles and albums schedule up until Lady Sings.
    in Wikipedia it says that the album was rereleased under the title of the hit single. I was wondering if anyone had ever seen the album with “ain’t no mountain high enough“ on the cover in addition to Diane‘s name?

  38. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Hmmm, now I have to ponder if I'm a side 1 or side 2 guy. Time for a new thread...
    LOL!! That’s hilarious!

  39. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    in Wikipedia it says that the album was rereleased under the title of the hit single. I was wondering if anyone had ever seen the album with “ain’t no mountain high enough“ on the cover in addition to Diane‘s name?
    I never saw an album with the new title.

    But when it was first released on cd (as a 2fer with SURRENDER), they re-titled it AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH and deleted the tracks "You're All I Need to Get By" and "These Things Will Keep Me Loving You." But the title on the actual album they used for the cover photo was still DIANA ROSS.
    Last edited by reese; 06-30-2020 at 01:43 PM. Reason: corrected song title

  40. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Hmmm, now I have to ponder if I'm a side 1 or side 2 guy. Time for a new thread...
    Its always helpful to know what side one bats for.

  41. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    I never saw an album with the new title.

    But when it was first released on cd (as a 2fer with SURRENDER), they re-titled it AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH and deleted the tracks "You're All I Need to Get By" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough." But the title on the actual album they used for the cover photo was still DIANA ROSS.

    How could they retitle the album and then delete the title track?

    Was "Ain't No Mountain" repeated on the "Surrender" LP? Somehow I think it may have been from my recollection.

  42. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    I never saw an album with the new title.

    But when it was first released on cd (as a 2fer with SURRENDER), they re-titled it AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH and deleted the tracks "You're All I Need to Get By" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough." But the title on the actual album they used for the cover photo was still DIANA ROSS.
    My 2fer has Mountain and omits You’re All I Need and These Things.

  43. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by johnjeb View Post
    My 2fer has Mountain and omits You’re All I Need and These Things.
    You're All I Need and These Things had been released on CD on Diana Ross Love Songs. They considered not omitting these two on the 2fer but would have instead used the single versions of Ain't No Mountain and Reach Out I'll Be There and would still have to edit or fade other tunes early to make everything fit. (I was always disappointed when they did that) Back then no one knew the future of CDs or if we'd ever see these tunes released in their entirety. It seemed smarter to leave off the two that were already available and leave everything else in tact. I never had any power in these decisions but was often consulted.

    When Diana Ross 1970 was first released in contained a white circular sticker saying something like "includes the hit single Reach Out & Touch (Somebody's Hand)." The next pressing had a white square sticker saying "includes the hit singles Ain't No Mountain High Enough and Reach Out & Touch (Somebody's Hand)." The final sticker was clear with white lettering that just said "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" making it look like the title of the album.

    When the CD was released someone decided to call it "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" for the catalog so it wouldn't be confused with Diana Ross 76.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnjeb View Post
    My 2fer has Mountain and omits You’re All I Need and These Things.
    That's what I meant to write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Solomon View Post
    You're All I Need and These Things had been released on CD on Diana Ross Love Songs. They considered not omitting these two on the 2fer but would have instead used the single versions of Ain't No Mountain and Reach Out I'll Be There and would still have to edit or fade other tunes early to make everything fit. (I was always disappointed when they did that) Back then no one knew the future of CDs or if we'd ever see these tunes released in their entirety. It seemed smarter to leave off the two that were already available and leave everything else in tact. I never had any power in these decisions but was often consulted.

    When Diana Ross 1970 was first released in contained a white circular sticker saying something like "includes the hit single Reach Out & Touch (Somebody's Hand)." The next pressing had a white square sticker saying "includes the hit singles Ain't No Mountain High Enough and Reach Out & Touch (Somebody's Hand)." The final sticker was clear with white lettering that just said "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" making it look like the title of the album.

    When the CD was released someone decided to call it "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" for the catalog so it wouldn't be confused with Diana Ross 76.
    george - those are exactly how I recall them - however, I can’t recall the stickers on new ways or mag 7 - I know there was some, but can’t visualize them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac View Post
    george - those are exactly how I recall them - however, I can’t recall the stickers on new ways or mag 7 - I know there was some, but can’t visualize them.
    while not a sticker, on the billboard ads for Stoned Love and NWBLS they did a little call-out burst highlighting the single

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    while not a sticker, on the billboard ads for Stoned Love and NWBLS they did a little call-out burst highlighting the single

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    thanks - they also had a color ad on the cover of billboard for the album... But I just for the life of me cannot remember what that sticker looks like it’s driving me crazy. Of course I was halfway there anyway but that’s beside the point. I remember when that album came out I was very impressed with the layout and the effort put into it, it seemed like an album from a group on the move. And of course I love that back cover photo. I wasn’t 100% crazy for ross’ debut album packaging.

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    I like threads like this. You guys make these details so fascinating to read about. Have at it!

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    i might have missed it but i never noticed a Billboard cover ad for NWBLS. when i did all of the chart history research i typically saved screen shots of the ads - cover ads, reviews, full-page ads, etc.

    NW got 2 full page ads in the magazine which is one of the very few sup albums ever to get that. When you got into Lady Sings and some of the other huge Diana projects, you had larger, more complex ad campaigns. but typically if they did an ad for a single or lp, they ran it once. Right around the time when record was going to be entering the charts which was usually 4 weeks or so after release date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    That's what I meant to write.
    I figured that's what happened, as you know your stuff - inside out and upside down!

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