Pictures from unknown tv shows

[Laurent]

Hi Guys,
Considering the confined situation most of us are in, I thought that an amusing pastime could be to discuss about pictures of Diana Ross and the Supremes that are related to TV shows but to which we don’t know what show they’re from.

Therefore I completed a page on the website [[direct link : )


http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV60Unknown.htm


which now contains 12 unknown tv shows from the 60s you can all help to find out.
Good trip back to memory lane, your scrabooks... or else, and have fun!

[marv2]

Ok, Laurent and thank you. You always seem to come up with interesting topics for threads.

[Circa 1824]

Leslie Gore is in one of those pics.

[marv2]

I have no clue about pictures #9 - #12.

[marv2]

Ok picture #10 may be a shot from rehearsal for their last Ed Sullivan Show appearance in 1969.

[Laurent]

Ok picture #10 may be a shot from rehearsal for their last Ed Sullivan Show appearance in 1969.

Good guess I think. I checked their last Ed Sullivan and they wear apparently the same wigs. They also have the same position at one moment during Someday We'll Be Together, so there's a very high probability you are right.

[marv2]

Good guess I think. I checked their last Ed Sullivan and they wear apparently the same wigs. They also have the same position at one moment during Someday We'll Be Together, so there's a very high probability you are right.

Thanks Laurent. I am pretty sure that is a shot from rehearsals next door to the Ed Sullivan Theater.

[marv2]

#12 Looks like it could be a rehearsal for the Royal Command Performance at the Palladium in 1968. I can make out Englebert Humperdink and you mentioned Petula Clark. Both were on that show.

[Laurent]

#12 Looks like it could be a rehearsal for the Royal Command Performance at the Palladium in 1968. I can make out Englebert Humperdink and you mentioned Petula Clark. Both were on that show.

OK, I just found this pic which prooves that #12 is from the rehearsal of the Royal Command Performance of 1968, the setting of the stage is the same. The only thing that troubles me is that they kept the same setting so long [[the pic below is from 1965).

[marv2]

OK, I just found this pic which prooves that #12 is from the rehearsal of the Royal Command Performance of 1968, the setting of the stage is the same. The only thing that troubles me is that they kept the same setting so long [[the pic below is from 1965).

They have to have filmed the 1968 Command Performance.

[Laurent]

They have to have filmed the 1968 Command Performance.

I think so too.

[marv2]

I think so too.

Laurent, we have to get our hands on these things! hehehehehehehehe!

[Bluebrock]

I think so too.

It was wiped immediately after broadcast sadly.

[roger]

In Picture #12 third from the right looks suspiciously like Engelbert Humperdinck so my guess is that it was taken, possibly during rehearsals, at the 1968 Royal Variety Show in London. Petula Clark was also on the bill for that show.

http://www.royalvarietycharity.org/r...ndon-palladium

Roger

[Laurent]

In Picture #12 third from the right looks suspiciously like Engelbert Humperdinck so my guess is that it was taken, possibly during rehearsals, at the 1968 Royal Variety Show in London. Petula Clark was also on the bill for that show.

www.royalvarietycharity.org/royal-variety-performance/archive/detail/1968-london-palladium

Roger

and so Humperdinck would be the 7th person from the left [[?). Now with his name I would recognize him there.

What I don't recognize is the set behind the people. I doesn't look like the stage of the Royal Variety show, or at least of the rehearsal photos I have, and Diana doesn't wear the same outfit than during the rehearsals [[see pics below).

[reese]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #1: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #2: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)
Unknown #5, Series 1: A performance in Hamburg [[not sure if it is a tv show)
Unknown #9: Sunday Night at the Palladium [[1968)
Unknown #10. Rehearsal shot from Diana's last appearance on Ed Sullivan [[1969)
Unknown #12. Could be a rehearsal shot from the Royal Command Performance [[1968)

[RanRan79]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)

I agree Reese. A few observations:

#4 Pretty sure that's the Shindig appearance where they sang "Where Did Our Love Go" and some other stuff.

#5 Series 1 It took me a minute to realize that the photo of Mary doing the "stop" gesture is just an enlarged portion of the photo next to it where the group is clearly performing "Stop". Prior to the realization I thought that it was a photo of Mary saying she didn't want her picture taken, and she looks quite pissed.

#5 Series 2 Flo's "fat" period is said to be late 66-well into 67, but I've always thought that if there was ever a time during the Supremes that Flo seemed a bit heavier than usual, it was this brief time in early 65. There's a performance of "Stop" from this period on Shindig that I always thought Flo looks rather chubby. These photos are not changing my mind.

#5 Series 3 I wonder if that's Diana's actual hair and not a wig?

#8 Diana looks like she's going to a funeral.

[TYK1986]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #1: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #2: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)
Unknown #5, Series 1: A performance in Hamburg [[not sure if it is a tv show)
Unknown #9: Sunday Night at the Palladium [[1968)
Unknown #10. Rehearsal shot from Diana's last appearance on Ed Sullivan [[1969)
Unknown #12. Could be a rehearsal shot from the Royal Command Performance [[1968)

I think you are right about number 12 Royal Command Performance. Diana is wearing her own clothing so probably rehearsal. The person on the site says it's Mary next to her but I think it's Cindy. She's wearing dress from that performance. Also pictures of the royals meeting the Supremes show Petula Clark on some and the third guy from the left [[no idea who he is). Other rehearsal photo's online show the same diamond pattern in the background.

[reese]

I think you are right about number 12 Royal Command Performance. Diana is wearing her own clothing so probably rehearsal. The person on the site says it's Mary next to her but I think it's Cindy. She's wearing dress from that performance. Also pictures of the royals meeting the Supremes show Petula Clark on some and the third guy from the left [[no idea who he is). Other rehearsal photo's online show the same diamond pattern in the background.

To me, it looks like Mary [[in her costume) standing next to Diana. She is even wearing the long wig that you can see in photos from the actual performance as well as when they are standing in the receiving line.

[Laurent]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)

OK I did some homework... I found that the last song of Shindig [[February 24, 1965 episode) is Neil Sedaka "I Go Ape" and the Supremes join the cast at the final, right when the word "shindig" appears on screan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQ6X_a5e2E
The video on youtube is not very clear but the picture #4 is definitely from this show. One more enigma solved thanks to you and Ranran79. Many thanks !

[reese]

OK I did some homework... I found that the last song of Shindig [[February 24, 1965 episode) is Neil Sedaka "I Go Ape" and the Supremes join the cast at the final, right when the word "shindig" appears on screan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQ6X_a5e2E
The video on youtube is not very clear but the picture #4 is definitely from this show. One more enigma solved thanks to you and Ranran79. Many thanks !

Unknown #4 is from the girls' 1964 appearance on SHINDIG!

They sang BABY LOVE and COME SEE ABOUT ME. The photo was taken during the cast finale, headed by the Righteous Bros. singing LITTLE LATIN LUPE LU.

[Laurent]

Unknown #4 is from the girls' 1964 appearance on SHINDIG!

They sang BABY LOVE and COME SEE ABOUT ME. The photo was taken during the cast finale, headed by the Righteous Bros. singing LITTLE LATIN LUPE LU.

Well, I was a bit fast on this one, too happy to find something, and a double check this morning [[with a fresh new mind and eyes ) shows that the dress the Supremes wear at the end of Shindig [[Feb 65) are sleeveless [[like the one they wore during Stop!ITNOL in the same show), to the contrary of the ones on photo #4. And the wigs they wore on shindig [[Feb 65) and #4 are not the same. The wigs on #4 look a lot more than the ones they wore on Shindig [[Nov 64).

Unfortunately I can't find a video of the final of Shindig [[Nov 64), the segment with the Righteous Brother is cut before the credits. That woul give a final proof to it.

2 Pics of the final of Shindig 65 :




Pic Shindig Feb 65 - Stop!ITNOL :



Reminder, unknown#4 [[to have a full size on the website only: right click on the pic):



to compare with the wigs on Shindig [[Nov 64) :



Thanks Reese for your correction. I'm pretty sure now that you have that one right [[but as I said, a video extract of the end of the show would put a final word to it).

[reese]

Thanks Reese for your correction. I'm pretty sure now that you have that one right [[but as I said, a video extract of the end of the show would put a final word to it).

No problem. I tried looking for the 1964 Shindig! finale on YouTube but couldn't find it.

The finale itself was shot in an interesting way. As I said, the Righteous Bros. are singing LITTLE LATIN LUPE LU. The Supremes actually back into the shot so the first thing you see is an extreme close-up of one of their outfits and they keep backing up until they reach stage right. Then they start doing some synchronized moves. It actually looked rather cool.

Just an FYI: The Supremes only appeared on Shindig! twice, once in 1964 and again in early 1965.

[Laurent]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #9: Sunday Night at the Palladium [[1968)

I have finay fund a proof that Unknown # 9 is from the London Palladium show. They wear the same wigs on the two pictures. So Reese, your guess was right !



unknown #9 [[not so unknown now) :



I'm currently working hard on the TVgraphy of 1968. It should be online very soon !

[reese]

I have finay fund a proof that Unknown # 9 is from the London Palladium show. They wear the same wigs on the two pictures. So Reese, your guess was right !



unknown #9 [[not so unknown now) :



I'm currently working hard on the TVgraphy of 1968. It should be online very soon !

I wondered why Mary looked like she was ready to fight in the casual shot. Nice to find out the fellow was a boxer.

[drlorne]

The thing I notice is such a difference between '65 and '67. They just catapulted...prior they could have been the Shirelles or the Vandellas, or any other group, their was a
generic, girl group look and dress. Certainly Diana Ross brought that "outherness" to the group that separated them. It's that same old question that "20 feet from Stardon" tried to answer.
In the swirl of things it's too bad that Florence wasn't able to see that she should have just held on to the meteor of DR and ridden it as Mary did, and then figure it out.

[RanRan79]

The thing I notice is such a difference between '65 and '67. They just catapulted...prior they could have been the Shirelles or the Vandellas, or any other group, their was a
generic, girl group look and dress. Certainly Diana Ross brought that "outherness" to the group that separated them. It's that same old question that "20 feet from Stardon" tried to answer.
In the swirl of things it's too bad that Florence wasn't able to see that she should have just held on to the meteor of DR and ridden it as Mary did, and then figure it out.

Yeah, looks wise the Supremes were following girl group trends instead of setting them. [[Hence the stories about the Supremes "stealing" wardrobe looks from Martha and the Vandellas and Patti and the Bluebelles.) At some point in 1965 that changed and the other groups were trying to look like the Supremes, usually without success. There was something just right about the Supremes and the looks they chose, although I must admit I'm a bit biased.

Regarding Florence, she was apparently a woman who valued respect over going along to get along. And in this day in age where respect- both of self and others-, ethics and boundaries seem to be a lost way of life, I'm proud of Flo for standing up for herself, even if I sometimes have a problem with the way she chose to do it. As the Supremes once sang, "Money isn't everything...".

[danman869]

Unknown #8: I wonder if these photos might be from Chicago-based, local daytime talk show, "The Lee Phillip Show." [[Phillip was a Chicago TV legend and the wife of late soap opera writer/producer, William "Bill" Bell--and Phillip herself just died a few weeks ago.) Confirming this would take quite a bit of research [[those local shows didn't get documented as much as national ones did), but it might prove to be true.

[marv2]

Unknown #8: I wonder if these photos might be from Chicago-based, local daytime talk show, "The Lee Phillip Show." [[Phillip was a Chicago TV legend and the wife of late soap opera writer/producer, William "Bill" Bell--and Phillip herself just died a few weeks ago.) Confirming this would take quite a bit of research [[those local shows didn't get documented as much as national ones did), but it might prove to be true.

They also did a lot of local Detroit television as The Supremes and individually over the years.

[blue_whippet]

Unknown #5 is indeed Hamburg but not a TV show. It is a press show held at the Hotel Atlantic Kempinski during a quick trip over to Germany on a day off from the UK Tamla Motown revue in the UK. Itinerary, newspaper and photographs date this, coincidentally to this day in 1965 - 29th March. Later that evening, they appeared on the TV show Musik aus Studio B, returning to the UK the following day to continue with the UK tour in Manchester.

[marv2]

Unknown #5 is indeed Hamburg but not a TV show. It is a press show held at the Hotel Atlantic Kempinski during a quick trip over to Germany on a day off from the UK Tamla Motown revue in the UK. Itinerary, newspaper and photographs date this, coincidentally to this day in 1965 - 29th March. Later that evening, they appeared on the TV show Musik aus Studio B, returning to the UK the following day to continue with the UK tour in Manchester.

Great information! Thank you Blue_whippet.

[Laurent]

Unknown #5 is indeed Hamburg but not a TV show. It is a press show held at the Hotel Atlantic Kempinski during a quick trip over to Germany on a day off from the UK Tamla Motown revue in the UK. Itinerary, newspaper and photographs date this, coincidentally to this day in 1965 - 29th March. Later that evening, they appeared on the TV show Musik aus Studio B, returning to the UK the following day to continue with the UK tour in Manchester.

I checked photo of the Hotel Atlantic Kempiski and the photos of Unknown #5, series 1, are indeed taken in there. This confirm my guess of a showcase/press show. And now the probability that Series 2 were taken on the set of Musik Aus Studio B is very high [[and series 3 during the rehearsals).

I am impressed you knew in which hotel they were ! How did you know that ?

[blue_whippet]

I checked photo of the Hotel Atlantic Kempiski and the photos of Unknown #5, series 1, are indeed taken in there. This confirm my guess of a showcase/press show. And now the probability that Series 2 were taken on the set of Musik Aus Studio B is very high [[and series 3 during the rehearsals).

I am impressed you knew in which hotel they were ! How did you know that ?

Hi,
I managed to find this hotel using an approach similar to your Consolidated Gas building investigation. In this case, the photo of the Supremes on the balcony suggested a hotel overlooking a river in Hamburg. So I searched for hotels along the river and quickly came across the Atlantic Hotel. It was clear that was the one as it had a balcony with the same balustrade. This was confirmed on Wikipedia where it states that notable guests include the Supremes in March 1965 - see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Atlantic_Kempinski

I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/m...#comment-92619

By the way, I'm super impressed with your site. I've learned so much from it. There are a few photos you identify as taken at the Star Club Hamburg, which I think possibly could be La Locomotive Club in Paris.

[marv2]

Hi,
I managed to find this hotel using an approach similar to your Consolidated Gas building investigation. In this case, the photo of the Supremes on the balcony suggested a hotel overlooking a river in Hamburg. So I searched for hotels along the river and quickly came across the Atlantic Hotel. It was clear that was the one as it had a balcony with the same balustrade. This was confirmed on Wikipedia where it states that notable guests include the Supremes in March 1965 - see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Atlantic_Kempinski

I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/m...#comment-92619

By the way, I'm super impressed with your site. I've learned so much from it. There are a few photos you identify as taken at the Star Club Hamburg, which I think possibly could be La Locomotive Club in Paris.

You are also very good! Great work in researching that hotel.

[blue_whippet]

Thank you. I'm just pleased to be able contribute a bit more detail to their history.

[Laurent]

Hi,
I managed to find this hotel using an approach similar to your Consolidated Gas building investigation. In this case, the photo of the Supremes on the balcony suggested a hotel overlooking a river in Hamburg. So I searched for hotels along the river and quickly came across the Atlantic Hotel. It was clear that was the one as it had a balcony with the same balustrade. This was confirmed on Wikipedia where it states that notable guests include the Supremes in March 1965 - see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Atlantic_Kempinski

I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/m...#comment-92619

By the way, I'm super impressed with your site. I've learned so much from it. There are a few photos you identify as taken at the Star Club Hamburg, which I think possibly could be La Locomotive Club in Paris.

You really did a good job in finding this hotel.

Concerning the photo in the star club: it's one of a series I found in a mag or on the web. It was credited as taken in the Club de l'Etoile in Paris. While doing some researches, the history of this club in Paris didn't really match the context of this picture, and later I recognized on the picture Rudi Slezak [[a German working in the German music inndustry - of Aberbach GMBH Hamburg) that is also on one of the pictures with the Supremes performing at the Atlantic Hotel in Hamburg [[photo on the Unknown #3 series on the site). Morever, the Supremes wear the exact same outfits and hairdo than on a series of photos published in a German magazine at that time [[they are in the Timeline in March ~15-17, 1965) [[~ means: approximately; and I suspect they could have been taken also in March 29). To me, the photo credited at the "Club de l'Etoile" is a unnecessary translation made in the press for "Star CLub", which was a very famous club in Hambourg at the time [[still very famous for having an early performance of the Beatles there). The presence of Slezak in this picture adds a lot to the fact that it was taken in Hamburg rather than in Paris.

[blue_whippet]

You really did a good job in finding this hotel.

Concerning the photo in the star club: it's one of a series I found in a mag or on the web. It was credited as taken in the Club de l'Etoile in Paris. While doing some researches, the history of this club in Paris didn't really match the context of this picture, and later I recognized on the picture Rudi Slezak [[a German working in the German music inndustry - of Aberbach GMBH Hamburg) that is also on one of the pictures with the Supremes performing at the Atlantic Hotel in Hamburg [[photo on the Unknown #3 series on the site). Morever, the Supremes wear the exact same outfits and hairdo than on a series of photos published in a German magazine at that time [[they are in the Timeline in March ~15-17, 1965) [[~ means: approximately; and I suspect they could have been taken also in March 29). To me, the photo credited at the "Club de l'Etoile" is a unnecessary translation made in the press for "Star CLub", which was a very famous club in Hambourg at the time [[still very famous for having an early performance of the Beatles there). The presence of Slezak in this picture adds a lot to the fact that it was taken in Hamburg rather than in Paris.

Thanks for the information on the Club de l’Etoile and the possible translation for the “Star Club”. I had not heard about that before. Material found on the web however suggests that these photos may not have taken in Germany. Firstly, the colour photo in the timeline ~15-17 March 1965 has the Supremes in front of a red and green tartan or plaid background in the same outfits and wigs of the accompanying photos. Photos of Martha & the Vandellas also exist with this same background – hopefully this link will show one:
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/4287.../?d=t&mt=login

There has been nothing to suggest, as far as I am aware, that the Vandellas visited Hamburg or Germany around that time.
Secondly, I had read or assumed that the photo of the Supremes being interviewed by Dutch DJ Willem Van Kooten where they have the same outfits and wigs as those in the ~15-17 March timeframe was taken during the Hamburg visit. However the details from the Dutch photo museum suggest that the photo was taken on 13th April 1965 at L’Olympia, see:
https://collectie.nederlandsfotomuse...3-8b77522d9429

Thirdly, I have come across a series of photos from a Dutch magazine with Skip Voogd [[a Dutch radio DJ and music journalist) with the Supremes. Here we see them with the same outfits and wigs as above, together with the tartan/plaid background [[albeit in black and white). The girls are undertaking a task blindfolded. Written in Dutch, some text translates roughly as ‘after the end of their gigantic show in the Paris Olympia Theatre’.
So these photos may have been taken in Paris not Hamburg, perhaps at L’Olympia or La Locomotive, where is has been reported a party was held for the Tamla artists after the Paris show. The presence of Rudi Slezak could be explained since that the Paris event was also the launch of the European Tamla Motown label, and according to Billboard Magazine, 1st May 1965, representatives from a range of European countries including Germany were “summoned” to the concert and midnight cocktail party. However, a more detailed item on this in Cashbox 1st May 1965 does not specifically name Rudi Slezak.
Perhaps the same outfits and wigs were worn at both the Star Club and in Paris. It would help if we could find photos showing the interiors of those clubs from around that timeframe.

[Laurent]

...
I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/m...#comment-92619

The picture you refer to on this site and that was published in the Hamburger Abendblatt newspaper, is, according to your description, this one :



and the guy next the Supremes is definitely Chris Howland :




The information in this newspaper and the photo add a lot to the fact that Musik Aus Studio B was taped before April 1965.It also adds a lot to the fact that March 29 become the most probable date for its taping.

I also become more and more conviced that the supposed tour in Germany around March 15-17 is not the correct information. I have to check again what's exactly written in billboard, but I think they considered the fact that the Supremes were in Germany for a concert for the press and a tv show as a tour in Germany, when for me a tour is concerts in several cities of a country...

[blue_whippet]

The picture you refer to on this site and that was published in the Hamburger Abendblatt newspaper, is, according to your description, this one :



and the guy next the Supremes is definitely Chris Howland :




The information in this newspaper and the photo add a lot to the fact that Musik Aus Studio B was taped before April 1965.It also adds a lot to the fact that March 29 become the most probable date for its taping.

I also become more and more conviced that the supposed tour in Germany around March 15-17 is not the correct information. I have to check again what's exactly written in billboard, but I think they considered the fact that the Supremes were in Germany for a concert for the press and a tv show as a tour in Germany, when for me a tour is concerts in several cities of a country...

Hi, that photo with Chris Howland is almost identical to the one printed in the newspaper. Your extra photos certainly confirm it is Chris. I agree that a tour of Gemany probably didn't happen.I haven't seen anything to confirm a tour occurred. On another matter, the photo of the Supremes reading the March '65 copy of Tuney Tunes. I'm wondering if that photo was taken in Hamburg or Paris. There is one related photo taken at the same time that I have seen but I cannot pinpoint a time and location. Any ideas?

[detmotownguy]

Hi Guys,
Considering the confined situation most of us are in, I thought that an amusing pastime could be to discuss about pictures of Diana Ross and the Supremes that are related to TV shows but to which we don’t know what show they’re from.

Therefore I completed a page on the website [[direct link : )


http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV60Unknown.htm


which now contains 12 unknown tv shows from the 60s you can all help to find out.
Good trip back to memory lane, your scrabooks... or else, and have fun!

These photos def shows Flo’s extra 3” in height @ 5’7” contrasting Mary and Diana’s @ 5’4”.

[RanRan79]

These photos def shows Flo’s extra 3” in height @ 5’7” contrasting Mary and Diana’s @ 5’4”.

I think Diana is 5'5, just a tad taller than Mary.

[marv2]

I think Diana is 5'5, just a tad taller than Mary.

Yes that's true. Mary was the shortest. Now, could you imagine Flo on stage singing with Scherrie & Susaye? Jean was pretty tall too. She would tower over the last two Supremes. LOL!

[Laurent]

Thank you all for your interesting information. It also gives me great avenues to follow... and I might come back with other questions...

[Circa 1824]

That does NOT look like Petula Clark.

[Laurent]

That does NOT look like Petula Clark.

This picture #12 was sold on ebay and was credited as Diana Ross and Petula Clark. It's definitely her.

[Laurent]

The year 1966 of the Supremes TVgraphy will be online pretty soon... stay tuned!

[marv2]

The year 1966 of the Supremes TVgraphy will be online pretty soon... stay tuned!

Ok, thanks Laurent. I look forward to seeing it.

[monicarivers]

Weird that some people who barely listen to the Supremes pre-1970 have so much to say here...

[Laurent]

And now, as announced yesterday [[and even sooner than I expected), the year 1966 in the Supremes' TVgraphy is now online :

http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/index.htm

Enjoy !

[reese]

And now, as announced yesterday [[and even sooner than I expected), the year 1966 in the Supremes' TVgraphy is now online :

http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/index.htm

Enjoy !

Very nice!

And thanks for including the note about the non-existent "V" face block during the end of MY WORLD IS EMPTY WITHOUT YOU.