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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by snakepit View Post
    Probably a sign of old age and/or losing interest ,but I have both CDs.....slightly worrying eh??
    Well it's definitely not due to a lack of interest because I've bought just about all the reissues/expanded editions. Maybe a bit of old age...

  2. #52
    Remember the tracks now...after a few plays. Once again not mad about G.C. Cameron vocals...Bobby Smith for me.

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by SatansBlues View Post
    Well it's definitely not due to a lack of interest because I've bought just about all the reissues/expanded editions. Maybe a bit of old age...
    Yes old age I think.

  4. #54
    I didn’t care for it at first, but it kind of grew on me. To me it sounds like a mashup of “Since I Don’t Have You” by the Skyliners and that song from “Cooley High” that Coachise, Preach and the gang sang drunkingly off key on the street corner. ( Right before the part where they go joyriding in the stolen Caddy).

  5. #55
    Two more CD coming from Oldays Records :

    _ Jazz Side Of Motown 1961-1967 ( 2 CD ):
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6940-41&visit_old=1

    _ The Marvelous Marvelettes + bonus tracks :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6938&visit_old=1


  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by mjdestiny View Post
    Two more CD coming from Oldays Records :

    _ Jazz Side Of Motown 1961-1967 ( 2 CD ):
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6940-41&visit_old=1

    _ The Marvelous Marvelettes + bonus tracks :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6938&visit_old=1

    Oldays is a Public Domain label.

    There has been times and agains, when wanting early albums of Miracles, Marvelettes, and Little Stevie Wonder on CD, when the easiest accessibles to find was the public domains, but no, without official authorized Motown copyright = no thank you.

    I have managed, after searching and searching on Amazon enough, some of them on Universal Japan, whenever they were still affordable enough.

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Ngroove View Post
    Oldays is a Public Domain label.

    There has been times and agains, when wanting early albums of Miracles, Marvelettes, and Little Stevie Wonder on CD, when the easiest accessibles to find was the public domains, but no, without official authorized Motown copyright = no thank you.

    I have managed, after searching and searching on Amazon enough, some of them on Universal Japan, whenever they were still affordable enough.
    So the copyright laws must be different in Japan as you would never get away with 'stealing' these for release in Europe or the US. If I remember Marginal used to get away with some things because where they were produced the copyright law was slacker but as soon as you exported them they became illegal - I wonder if any of that applies to Old Days?

  8. #58
    They trade freely on eBay as do Big Pink but let's face it we are getting nothing else right now CD wise apart from Miss Ross and DRATS. At least we can look forward to a re release of Frankie Valli and The Four Seasons Motown Anthology plus a further disk of unreleased Motown material (but only if we are prepared to fork out good money for the other 37 or so disks in the same set).
    Last edited by mysterysinger; 06-28-2020 at 06:42 AM.

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by paul_nixon View Post
    So the copyright laws must be different in Japan as you would never get away with 'stealing' these for release in Europe or the US. If I remember Marginal used to get away with some things because where they were produced the copyright law was slacker but as soon as you exported them they became illegal - I wonder if any of that applies to Old Days?
    It's interesting that these Oldays releases are not available on Amazon U.K or any 'legitimate' music retailer. Only eBay. So maybe there is something decidedly dodgy about these being exported.

    I did actually purchase the Elgins cd on eBay a couple of months ago, but got a refund as it never arrived!

  10. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by paul_nixon View Post
    So the copyright laws must be different in Japan as you would never get away with 'stealing' these for release in Europe or the US. If I remember Marginal used to get away with some things because where they were produced the copyright law was slacker but as soon as you exported them they became illegal - I wonder if any of that applies to Old Days?
    Adrian's Records in Wickford stocked all of the Marginal releases. The owner used to complain that they had to provide the jewel cases as the releases arrived without them.

  11. #61
    When Beatin' Rhythm had a shop in Manchester they stocked the Marginal releases and I did buy some from there. I expect they would be stocking Oldays if the shop was still there.

  12. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by mjdestiny View Post
    Two more CD coming from Oldays Records :

    _ Jazz Side Of Motown 1961-1967 ( 2 CD ):
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6940-41&visit_old=1

    _ The Marvelous Marvelettes + bonus tracks :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6938&visit_old=1

    Not forgetting Martha and The Vandellas "Watchout" which has the Live! album as its bonus tracks.

    The tracks on the Jazz CD (released at the end of July) are:

    01. WHAT'S WRONG WITH GROOVIN' / LETTA MBULU
    02. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE BLUES / YAPHET KOTTO
    03. I'MI SEE YOU LATER / THE JOHNNY GRIFFITH TRIO
    04. FALLING IN LOVE WITH LOVE / PAULA GREER
    05. I STILL LOVE YOU / LEFTY EDWARDS
    06. EL RIG / GEORGE BOHANAN QUARTET
    07. HOW HIGH THE MOON / MARVIN GAYE
    08. CONGO TWIST / THE TWISTIN' KINGS
    09. OPUS NO.3 / EARL WASHINGTON ALL STARS
    10. LATE FREIGHT / DAVE HAMILTON
    11. EXODUS / HANK&CAROL DIAMOND
    12. SOULIN' / ROY BROOKS
    13. HAITIAN FIGHT SONG / PEPPER ADAMS
    14. SOUL BONGO / LITTLE STEVIE WONDER
    15. STEAL AWAY TONIGHT / BARBARA MCNAIR
    16. ONE SCOTCH.ONE.BOURBON.ONE BEER / AMOS MILBURN

    SIDE-2
    01. WHAT IS WRONG WITH GROOVIN'? / HUGH MESEKELA
    02. HAVE YOU DUG HIS SCENE / YAPHET KOTTO
    03. MORE THAN A DREAM / EIVETS REDNOW
    04. SOUL STOMP / EARL VAN DYKE
    05. MICKEY'S MONEY / CHOKER CAMPBELL AND HIS 16 PIECE BAND
    06. WHAT A DAY / BARBARA MCNAIR
    07. MANHATTAN AT SIX / LITTLE STEVIE WONDER
    08. SOULSPHERE / ROY BROOKS SEXTET
    09. WITCHCRAFT / MARVIN GAYE
    10. I REMEMBER YOU / HANK&CAROL DIAMOND
    11. CUBAN CARNIVAL / EARL WASHINGTON
    12. DON'T BE NO FOOL / AMOS MILBURN
    13. GOODNIGHT MY LOVE / LEFTY EDWARDS
    14. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT YOU / PAULA GREER
    15. LOVE IS GONE / BILLY ECKSTINE

  13. #63
    More CD coming from Oldays Records :

    _ JR Walker & The All Stars / Soul Session + Road Runner :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6953&visit_old=1
    _ The Supremes / Sing Rodgers And Hart + Sing Country , Western And Pop :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6956&visit_old=1

    Also two reissues from the "Music On CD" label :

    _ Marvin Gaye / That Stubborn Kinda' Fellow :
    https://musiconcd.eu/product/marvin-...-kinda-fellow/

    _ Marvin Gaye / Dream Of A Lifetime :
    https://musiconcd.eu/product/marvin-...of-a-lifetime/

  14. #64
    I have to admit that many, many years ago, before the internet, I saw a few Marginal releases at my used CD store and grabbed them up. The sound was not always great but I had some songs I wanted in digital form. I have some bootlegs in my collection, but I have also bought the authorized tracks when they were released. If Motown/Universal releases them, I will buy!!!!

  15. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by mjdestiny View Post
    More CD coming from Oldays Records :

    _ JR Walker & The All Stars / Soul Session + Road Runner :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6953&visit_old=1
    _ The Supremes / Sing Rodgers And Hart + Sing Country , Western And Pop :
    https://merurido.jp/item.php?ky=ODR6956&visit_old=1

    Also two reissues from the "Music On CD" label :

    _ Marvin Gaye / That Stubborn Kinda' Fellow :
    https://musiconcd.eu/product/marvin-...-kinda-fellow/

    _ Marvin Gaye / Dream Of A Lifetime :
    https://musiconcd.eu/product/marvin-...of-a-lifetime/
    That's interesting - thanks for the update.

    I always thought the "Soul Session" cover looked fab and the new CD should be good - 2 albums on 1 CD again. As with The Supremes but I'd like to have seen CW&P with its own paper sleeve.

    The Jazz double CD can be picked up reasonably at the moment.

    That MUSIC ON CD label is a Universal product of course. I only have one of theirs and that's the Michael Jackson "Farewell My Summer Love" CD (which has a proper Motown label). They also released Rare Earth's "Get Ready" which seems to have seen numeroud releases.

    Oldays is unofficial though operates within Japanese law where copyright expires after 50 years. Their parent Clinck seems proper though if this Teena Marie "Irons In The Fire" release is anything to go by https://www.discogs.com/Teena-Marie-...lease/11753642

  16. #66
    Can I ask where you saw Music On CD was a Universal company please?

  17. #67
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    Music on CD / Universal

  18. #68
    Music on CD is based in Netherlands.

  19. #69
    I read on the Steve Hoffman Music Forum - so it may or may not be true, but it sounds reasonable - that Music on CD is an independent company which licenses cd masters, artwork, etc from Sony & Universal (and perhaps others but I didn't see Warner mentioned) to re-release out-of-print titles. People write that they include the original label name along with "Music on CD" (as in the image in the post above).

    Just taking a quick glance at their catalogue I see titles from CBS Masterworks and Columbia, which are part of Sony now. (In fact, Marvin Gaye's "Dream of a Lifetime" referred to above is on Columbia.)
    Last edited by calvin; 08-23-2020 at 12:18 PM.

  20. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by calvin View Post
    I read on the Steve Hoffman Music Forum - so it may or may not be true, but it sounds reasonable - that Music on CD is an independent company which licenses cd masters, artwork, etc from Sony & Universal (and perhaps others but I didn't see Warner mentioned) to re-release out-of-print titles. People write that they include the original label name along with "Music on CD" (as in the image in the post above).

    Just taking a quick glance at their catalogue I see titles from CBS Masterworks and Columbia, which are part of Sony now. (In fact, Marvin Gaye's "Dream of a Lifetime" referred to above is on Columbia.)
    I think that is more likely as Universal would not be releasing Sony product and vice versa

  21. #71
    The Motown CDs are made for Universal Music B.V.

    Or so it says anyway.

    Attachment 18033
    Last edited by mysterysinger; 08-24-2020 at 04:39 PM.

  22. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by mysterysinger View Post
    The Motown CDs are made for Universal Music B.V.

    Or so it says anyway.
    Yes, I saw that on the image booty posted above also. The releases they do of Sony titles probably say the same, "for Sony". Music on CD seems to be a manufacturer and distributor of cds who sort of "share" the label credit with the owners of the content.

    I think there was some misunderstanding here. You wrote that the "Music on CD label is a Universal product of course". Then Paul asked where you saw that Music on CD is a "Universal company". One could say that their Universal releases are "Universal product", while a title such as "Dream of a Lifetime" would then be a "Sony product". I'm pretty sure that Music on CD is not a "Universal company", though.

    According to discogs, the parent company of Music on CD is Music on Vinyl BV and: "Music On Vinyl B.V. is the company that manufactures and distributes Music On Vinyl releases; it is NOT a label."

    https://www.discogs.com/label/508112-Music-On-CD

    https://www.discogs.com/label/322260-Music-On-Vinyl-BV

    If you look at Marvin Gaye's "Dream of a Lifetime", Amazon lists "Music on CD" as both the manufacturer and the label (Columbia/Sony is not mentioned). It's the same for Rare Earth's "Get Ready."

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dream-Lifet...s%2C149&sr=1-2

    From the Music on Vinyl website:
    "Are Music On Vinyl releases officially licensed?
    Yes. We obtain official licenses from a wide range of copyright holders, whether it be major record companies or independent artists who own their own rights."

    https://www.musiconvinyl.com/about-us#.X0THfOhKhpg

    Instead of a label deciding what to release, having a bunch of cds manufactured by someone, and then the label distributing - this company is apparently deciding what they want to make (they even take requests), licensing it, and then distributing it themselves.

    If Universal contracted a company to manufacture cds for them - I read on discogs that Universal manufactures only some of their own releases - I think a manufacturer would normally just be paid a fixed amount to produce a certain number of cds. Universal distributes the product in such cases (according to discogs). I don't think the manufacturer would need to "license" the material, and they wouldn't have any risk if the release doesn't sell - the label would have the sales risk. I'm only speculating, but it may be that Music on CD takes the risk of a loss if the title doesn't sell (after all, it seems that they are deciding what to re-release) in return for a nice cut of the profits if it does well?

    In any case, it doesn't really matter, it's only a technicality who owns Music on CD - these are officially licensed re-releases of Universal (or Sony, etc) titles from, it seems, the original Universal (or Sony, etc) cd masters.
    Last edited by calvin; 08-25-2020 at 10:15 AM.

  23. #73
    That seems like a pretty fair assessment.

  24. #74
    But how many times do we really need a reissue of Stubborn Kind Of Fellow?

  25. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by mysterysinger View Post
    But how many times do we really need a reissue of Stubborn Kind Of Fellow?
    Perhaps you'd like to request "Four Tops Now!"?

  26. #76
    Yes I already have lol

  27. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by mysterysinger View Post
    But how many times do we really need a reissue of Stubborn Kind Of Fellow?
    Official Motown / Universal release, or public domain release?

    I do have a reissue of That Stubborn Kind Of Fellow in the Marvin Gaye, Volume 1 (Univeral / Motown) CD set that had his albums on 1961 - 1965, pretty nice to hear remastered "Stubborn Kind Of Fellow" and "Pride & Joy", as well as it in its cute little sleeve cover.
    Last edited by Ngroove; 08-25-2020 at 10:53 PM.

  28. #78
    One more CD coming from The Oldays Records label :

    MARY WELLS - The One Who Really Loves You + Recorded Live On Stage

    THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU

    01. THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU
    02. TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT
    03. YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH
    04. I’VE GOT A NOTION
    05. THE DAY WILL COME
    06. STRANGE LOVE
    07. YOU’RE MY DESIRE
    08. I’LL STILL BE AROUND
    09. SHE DON’T LOVE YOU
    10. DRIFTING LOVE

    BONUS TRACKS:『RECORDED LIVE ON STAGE』
    11. TWO LOVERS
    12. LAUGHING BOY
    13. I DON’T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE
    14. BYE BYE BABY
    15. THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU
    16. OLD LOVE (LET’S TRY IT AGAIN)
    17. OPERATOR
    18. YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH

    https://merurido.jp/item.php?pdid=ODR6978

  29. #79
    George or Andy,

    Are the bonus tracks from the master tapes?

  30. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by luckyluckyme View Post
    George or Andy,

    Are the bonus tracks from the master tapes?
    The reissues coming from this Oldays label in Japan are bootlegs and they have been able to release these titles because of the loophole with Japan's copyright laws on albums over a certain age. Since they are bootlegs, they are not officially licensed from Universal and not sourced from the original master tapes. They would have to be sourced from vinyls, transferred to digital.

  31. #81
    They sound fine though, to me, whereas I've had some official product with discernable clicks as if from vinyl.

    David Ruffin's "My Whole World Ended" CD from Elemental has the worst mastering of any CD I've ever owned.

    For Oldays:

    On the plus side, sound is fine, sometimes albums not officially available on CD, often bonus tracks and/or bonus albums, mini-LP sleeve, rare albums.

    On the negative side unofficial, album art not true to the original release, price around the same as an official release, length of time to arrive.

    I note that shipping to the USA is extortionate (not their fault of course) whereas shipping to the UK is only around $3.

  32. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by luckyluckyme View Post
    George or Andy,

    Are the bonus tracks from the master tapes?
    You probably know this already, but just to mention in case someone doesn't - Universal did an official digital release of "Mary Wells Recorded Live On Stage" but (as far as I'm aware) it wasn't released physically. It can be streamed or purchased as a download in cd-quality audio (16 bit, 44.1 kHz):

    https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/re.../0060253787962

    https://uk.7digital.com/artist/mary-...6%2C17%2C9%2C2
    Last edited by calvin; 11-07-2020 at 09:00 AM.

  33. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by mysterysinger View Post
    When Beatin' Rhythm had a shop in Manchester they stocked the Marginal releases and I did buy some from there. I expect they would be stocking Oldays if the shop was still there.
    I remember that store. Sorry to hear it is no longer there. I used to visit regularly when my daughter had an apartment in Deansgate.

  34. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by mysterysinger View Post
    They sound fine though, to me, whereas I've had some official product with discernable clicks as if from vinyl.
    In some cases, they can clean-up the recordings to remove the clicks and pops. Presence of clicks and pops always depends on the condition of the vinyl itself that is being sourced, and to what extent they have cleaned up the audio transfer. As pointed out above, if the title in question has already had an official digital release at some point, then bootleggers will more than likely source from that digital release...they'll use whatever best source is available to them. This can apply to official releases too. For instance, I recently did an audio analysis of the official CD reissue of The Supremes' Produced & Arranged by Jimmy Webb from Universal Japan, and they had simply used the tracks from disc 3 of the "This Is the Story: The Jean Terrell Years" box set. So unless there is a direct statement saying that a release is a new transfer/remaster from the original master tapes, chances are that it isn't, especially if it's a bootleg.

  35. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    In some cases, they can clean-up the recordings to remove the clicks and pops. Presence of clicks and pops always depends on the condition of the vinyl itself that is being sourced, and to what extent they have cleaned up the audio transfer. As pointed out above, if the title in question has already had an official digital release at some point, then bootleggers will more than likely source from that digital release...they'll use whatever best source is available to them. This can apply to official releases too. For instance, I recently did an audio analysis of the official CD reissue of The Supremes' Produced & Arranged by Jimmy Webb from Universal Japan, and they had simply used the tracks from disc 3 of the "This Is the Story: The Jean Terrell Years" box set. So unless there is a direct statement saying that a release is a new transfer/remaster from the original master tapes, chances are that it isn't, especially if it's a bootleg.
    I don't own any Oldays cds, but my understanding is that they are legal public domain releases in Japan. I'm pretty sure that it would not be legal for them to simply use Universal's digital download as their source, as that digital master will have its own "sound copyright" (which would not be in the public domain). I would expect them to source these from vinyl - maybe someone who has some of them can say. It is possible with some effort, as you write, to make a very good digital transfer from a good vinyl source, cleaning up the crackles and such.

    The Supremes' Jimmy Webb album is different, that's just Universal repackaging its own material which they already digitally mastered not so long ago.
    Last edited by calvin; 11-07-2020 at 04:19 PM.

  36. #86
    I have not heard of the concept of a separate sound copyright on the use of a digital master. Interesting! I have the Oldays CD release of The Supremes' We Remember Sam Cooke. I didn't pick up on any hint of it being a vinyl transfer, but I am sure you are correct. I will perhaps need to take a look at the wave forms sometime and see if I can compare it to the official digital release.

  37. #87
    Carlo, I think it's the case but now I'm perhaps less than "pretty sure". I searched a bit on the internet but didn't find anything definitive.

    I just pulled out The Miracles' "Depend On Me" set, it says "©℗ 2009 Motown Records...". I think the circled P means it has a 2009 sound recording copyright. "Hi, We're The Miracles" is in the public domain now but I don't think that anyone can (legally) just make a digital copy of that album from "Depend On Me" and sell it. Hallmark released a public domain version in 2012 and reviewers on Amazon say that the Hallmark cd is obviously from vinyl.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hi-Were-Mir...s=music&sr=1-4

    Did Universal get a new sound recording copyright because the digital release was a new mix? If they just took the original analogue final master and did nothing but digitize it, would they get a new copyright?
    Last edited by calvin; 11-09-2020 at 07:20 AM.

  38. #88
    Ace have a new Motown CD scheduled for March 2021. Dunno yet whether we'll make it.

    Motown Unreleased 1970 is looking dubious at the moment, sad to say.

  39. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by keith_hughes View Post
    Ace have a new Motown CD scheduled for March 2021. Dunno yet whether we'll make it.

    Motown Unreleased 1970 is looking dubious at the moment, sad to say.
    Thanks Keith,

    Looking forward to the new Motown Ace cd.

    Oh well, the yealy unreleased downloads were fun while they lasted.

  40. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by keith_hughes View Post
    Ace have a new Motown CD scheduled for March 2021. Dunno yet whether we'll make it.

    Motown Unreleased 1970 is looking dubious at the moment, sad to say.
    NOOOOOOO!!!!! I've bought every year and have been looking forward to them like an early Christmas gift!

  41. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by calvin View Post
    Carlo, I think it's the case but now I'm perhaps less than "pretty sure". I searched a bit on the internet but didn't find anything definitive.

    I just pulled out The Miracles' "Depend On Me" set, it says "©℗ 2009 Motown Records...". I think the circled P means it has a 2009 sound recording copyright. "Hi, We're The Miracles" is in the public domain now but I don't think that anyone can (legally) just make a digital copy of that album from "Depend On Me" and sell it. Hallmark released a public domain version in 2012 and reviewers on Amazon say that the Hallmark cd is obviously from vinyl.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hi-Were-Mir...s=music&sr=1-4

    Did Universal get a new sound recording copyright because the digital release was a new mix? If they just took the original analogue final master and did nothing but digitize it, would they get a new copyright?
    Yes, you're right, Calvin. Thanks for clarifying. I found the following from a quick Google search:

    "The ℗ 'P in a circle', is referred to as the sound recording, phonorecords, phonogram or phonographic copyright symbol. Sound recordings have a separate copyright that is distinct from that of the underlying work."

  42. #92
    Hi Carlo, yes the Ⓟ is for the copyright on a recording of music, as opposed to the songwriter copyright.

    In the US, a recording has to be "substantially different" (from previous copyrighted recordings) to be protected by a new sound recording copyright. A US court ruled in 2016 that a remaster was different enough, but this was overturned by another court two years later - so a remaster is not protected by a new copyright in the US. (But the early Motown recordings have not gone into the public domain in the US, as they have in the EU and Japan.)

    https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/201...court-appeals/

    I also found something from the EU: "These [remasters] should be considered as original recordings, so as to incentivize phonogram producers to release their back catalogues." So it seems that remasters are protected by a new sound recording copyright in the EU, which explains why the EU public domain releases are vinyl rips.

    (It's in this lengthy document, if you care you can search for the word "remaster".)
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDa...)604957_EN.pdf

    But with Oldays, we are talking about Japan...
    Last edited by calvin; 11-10-2020 at 06:16 PM.

  43. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by keith_hughes View Post
    Ace have a new Motown CD scheduled for March 2021. Dunno yet whether we'll make it.

    Motown Unreleased 1970 is looking dubious at the moment, sad to say.
    I’m sure with the COVID-19 protocols in order, putting MU 70 together might have to be put on hold for now. If so, I completely understand. Maybe next year we’ll get a double batch 70 and 71.

  44. #94
    Thanks for all of that info, Calvin! Interesting stuff.

  45. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by carlo View Post
    Thanks for all of that info, Calvin! Interesting stuff.
    All that but it still doesn't answer the question of where Oldays sources their music (I still guess vinyl). Not planning to buy anything from them though, unless they have something I want that hasn't seen an official digital (cd or download) release.
    Last edited by calvin; 11-10-2020 at 01:27 PM.

  46. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by calvin View Post
    All that but it still doesn't answer the question of where Oldays sources their music (I still guess vinyl). Not planning to buy anything from them though, unless they have something I want that hasn't seen an official digital (cd or download) release.
    I only own Oldays' Supremes Sam Cooke release, and I had initially suspected that they had sourced it from the official 90's CD release. However, I was just checking tonight and the Oldays release does not have the extended version of You Send Me on it, which was on the original official CD, as well as the 2015 iTunes release. That version clocks in at around 2:44 and the version on the Oldays release clocks in at around 2:16, so I think they must have sourced the audio from the stereo vinyl. It's likely this is the case for all of their titles. They recently released Martha & the Vandellas' Watchout on CD, with their 1967 Live album added onto it as a bonus, and that album has not had an official digital release, other than having appeared on iTunes for like two seconds, years ago, before vanishing, so they would have had to have sourced that one from the vinyl as well, along with all of the others in their catalogue.

  47. #97
    Good to know, thanks for the info, Carlo.

  48. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by calvin View Post
    You probably know this already, but just to mention in case someone doesn't - Universal did an official digital release of "Mary Wells Recorded Live On Stage" but (as far as I'm aware) it wasn't released physically. It can be streamed or purchased as a download in cd-quality audio (16 bit, 44.1 kHz):

    https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/re.../0060253787962

    https://uk.7digital.com/artist/mary-...6%2C17%2C9%2C2
    It's not a live album! I purchased this from 7-Digital and was able to get a refund

  49. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by booty View Post
    It's not a live album! I purchased this from 7-Digital and was able to get a refund
    Really? I purchased mine from Qobuz back in 2014 and it's the live album, I just checked (though I would have noticed it back then if it hadn't been). I added the 7Digital link because it's a more popular vendor which also sells lossless downloads, and forum members might already have an account there but not with Qobuz. I just played the first sample on 7Digital and it seems ok. Strange.

    Update:
    I think you bought the wrong download, not the one I linked. If you searched 7Digital for the album (instead of using my link), there are 3 listings: from Rarity Music, Uni/Motown, and Soul Story. Rarity Music and Soul Story are apparently public domain releases, not the ones to get.

    The link I gave is to the Uni/Motown download, which also says "℗ 2014 Motown Records, a Division of UMG Recordings, Inc."

    Playing samples, I hear that the first listing - from Rarity Music - is not live. They just used studio recordings in the same order as the tracks for the live album. I guess you bought that one. One has to pay attention to the issuing label, especially with titles in the public domain.
    Last edited by calvin; 11-13-2020 at 10:15 AM.

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    I have just checked my download from 7 digital and it is the live album.It is not one show but from 2 venues as is the original release.

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