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    Diana Ross- Heart Don't Change My Mind


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    Exquisite performance

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    Beautiful performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgalindo View Post
    Beautiful performance.
    When this was posted I assumed it was the live clip from the UK in the Workin’ Overtime jacket. Surprised to see this is from a different show. Beautiful performance of this song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circa 1824 View Post
    Exquisite performance
    It is !!

    Lovely quiet presentation with the simple staging and controlled lighting . She looks lovely and her dress, hair, and make-up are perfect imo. What year is this ?

    (I don't believe this is being performed before an audience though, the applause at the end sounds inserted.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogiedown View Post
    It is !!

    Lovely quiet presentation with the simple staging and controlled lighting . She looks lovely and her dress, hair, and make-up are perfect imo. What year is this ?

    (I don't believe this is being performed before an audience though, the applause at the end sounds inserted.)
    This has to be from 1993, when Heart was Diana’s current UK single...

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    Quote Originally Posted by khansperac View Post
    Lovely performance of a lovely song. It was always a personal favorite of Diana's, and she requested it to be the 5th single from the album when we had decided upon Change of heart. She did a great performance of it on Top of the Pops too. She was on top of her game around this time.

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    Unless you're called Michael Jackson you're pushing to get a 5th hit single in the UK from one album and while this a superior album track and Diana gave a few stunning performances it was never going to go big in the charts with 500k+ having bought the Force album.

    I think Bluebrock has said before that Change Of Heart was then going to be the SIXTH single from the album!!!! but since Diana would be unavailable for promotion it was canned.

    Never saw this as a big hit single either although I know many Diana fans really love it - thank goodness it wasn't the first single in the UK.

    To me it has the same vibe as Gettin' Ready For Love.

    I thought Waiting In The Wings with its reggae influence would have been a good single for the UK but I would have taken a chance on Battlefield.

    It could have been a great big flop but could have taken on in a big way if it had managed to get national airplay.

    It got very good reviews from sections of the music press who normally dismissed Diana's music (their minds more or less made up before they even heard it!)

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    The difference between Change and Getting Ready for Love is that Change has a lot of hooks to catch you with and those are nearly completely absent from Getting Ready for Love

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    Quote Originally Posted by florence View Post
    Unless you're called Michael Jackson you're pushing to get a 5th hit single in the UK from one album and while this a superior album track and Diana gave a few stunning performances it was never going to go big in the charts with 500k+ having bought the Force album.

    I think Bluebrock has said before that Change Of Heart was then going to be the SIXTH single from the album!!!! but since Diana would be unavailable for promotion it was canned.

    Never saw this as a big hit single either although I know many Diana fans really love it - thank goodness it wasn't the first single in the UK.

    To me it has the same vibe as Gettin' Ready For Love.

    I thought Waiting In The Wings with its reggae influence would have been a good single for the UK but I would have taken a chance on Battlefield.

    It could have been a great big flop but could have taken on in a big way if it had managed to get national airplay.

    It got very good reviews from sections of the music press who normally dismissed Diana's music (their minds more or less made up before they even heard it!)
    I agree that Waiting in the wings and Battlefield both had hit potential. In fact the whole album was stacked with great songs. It may not have been her absolute best album, but it holds a very special place in my heart because of my personal involvement. It was a very special time. Diana was at her vocal peak and was blissfully happy. She enjoyed spending most of her time in London, and was only too happy to promote this album which she regarded as one of her personal favorites. Happy memories.

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    Classic Ross album. In my top ten

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    i bought this album at the time of release and attended her concert promoting it. i've always thought it was... fine

    Looking back on the album i enjoy it more than i did at the time. I can appreciate is for mature, sophisticated pop/r&b.

    but i don't think it was contemporary pop/soul/r&b for 1991. Compared to what top artists were doing at the time, it doesn't shock me that it didn't make the charts in the US. Nothing struck me as truly unique or cutting edge. All nice and enjoyable. Nothing special

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    It's too bad that in the USA you have to have a certain sound in a certain era - and if you don't have that, your odds of success diminish.

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    Stunning and classy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    i bought this album at the time of release and attended her concert promoting it. i've always thought it was... fine

    Looking back on the album i enjoy it more than i did at the time. I can appreciate is for mature, sophisticated pop/r&b.

    but i don't think it was contemporary pop/soul/r&b for 1991. Compared to what top artists were doing at the time, it doesn't shock me that it didn't make the charts in the US. Nothing struck me as truly unique or cutting edge. All nice and enjoyable. Nothing special
    Looking at the US charts from that period i found there was very little that i would regard as "truly unique or cutting edge"

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    I think this was a performance on the UK Lotto TV draw I do believe that this album was the strongest of the Motown return, still EMI in the UK, and it did bring Diana back to the UK chart for first time since Chain Reaction, again not USA hit I hope that when the tour arrives in the UK next year the set has been adjusted to include some of these hits and drop more today than yesterday, I will Survive

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickiemint View Post
    I think this was a performance on the UK Lotto TV draw I do believe that this album was the strongest of the Motown return, still EMI in the UK, and it did bring Diana back to the UK chart for first time since Chain Reaction, again not USA hit I hope that when the tour arrives in the UK next year the set has been adjusted to include some of these hits and drop more today than yesterday, I will Survive
    I do not recall this performance. It certainly looks like the set for the Lottery Show, but i don't remember her doing Heart on this show. She certainly appeared on the Lottery Show several times, but the only live performance of Heart that i recall was on Top of the Pops. I shall have to dig out diaries to check the dates. Maybe Florence can enlighten us as to where this performance took place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickiemint View Post
    I think this was a performance on the UK Lotto TV draw I do believe that this album was the strongest of the Motown return, still EMI in the UK, and it did bring Diana back to the UK chart for first time since Chain Reaction, again not USA hit I hope that when the tour arrives in the UK next year the set has been adjusted to include some of these hits and drop more today than yesterday, I will Survive
    Sadly I will survive will survive for the UK shows, and Glastonbury too. However Chain reaction will definitely be included as will I'm still waiting and When you tell me that you love me. Yesterday will hopefully be rested.

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    Thank you Bluebrock I would like to think that Miss Ross might tailor the Glastonbury set to her biggest UK hits as its only a 60 minute slot, but I the tour shows will probably be around 80/90 minutes having recently seeing the Radio City Show in June I was slightly disappointed that the set hadn't been changed since I saw her last in the UK ( apart from More Today and Look of love ) personally I would like to see her finish the set with mahogany/ mountain encore Reach out and touch. Leave them standing and swaying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    I agree that Waiting in the wings and Battlefield both had hit potential. In fact the whole album was stacked with great songs. It may not have been her absolute best album, but it holds a very special place in my heart because of my personal involvement. It was a very special time. Diana was at her vocal peak and was blissfully happy. She enjoyed spending most of her time in London, and was only too happy to promote this album which she regarded as one of her personal favorites. Happy memories.
    I remember seeing Diana quite a few times around this period. I lived opposite Battersea Park and would sometimes see her out walking in the park with Arne and on one occasion walking across Albert Bridge with his children. It's nice to hear this was a happy period in her life.
    I think she waited to long with a follow up to TFBTP. Admittedly her 30 year celebrations and christmas got in the way, but by 95 i think she had lost a little of the momentum she had built with the TFBTP set. 94 would have been the perfect time for TMH..........me thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    I do not recall this performance. It certainly looks like the set for the Lottery Show, but i don't remember her doing Heart on this show. She certainly appeared on the Lottery Show several times, but the only live performance of Heart that i recall was on Top of the Pops. I shall have to dig out diaries to check the dates. Maybe Florence can enlighten us as to where this performance took place?
    According to my tape logs, this performance is from WOGAN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie9 View Post
    I remember seeing Diana quite a few times around this period. I lived opposite Battersea Park and would sometimes see her out walking in the park with Arne and on one occasion walking across Albert Bridge with his children. It's nice to hear this was a happy period in her life.
    I think she waited to long with a follow up to TFBTP. Admittedly her 30 year celebrations and christmas got in the way, but by 95 i think she had lost a little of the momentum she had built with the TFBTP set. 94 would have been the perfect time for TMH..........me thinks.
    Perhaps you are right, but she did release the One Woman cd and the boxset. She wasn't totally idle. She was attempting to balance her career with her family responsibilities.
    She would have gladly retired after Force, but her contract stipulated further albums and compilations. She loved life in London. Perhaps she should have stayed. I know she almost did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    According to my tape logs, this performance is from WOGAN.
    Yes i think you are right reese. I knew it wasn't the Lottery Show. She got along very well with Terry Wogan . He was a huge fan and a really nice guy too. She also liked Des O'Connor. It was never a problem booking her onto either of those shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickiemint View Post
    Thank you Bluebrock I would like to think that Miss Ross might tailor the Glastonbury set to her biggest UK hits as its only a 60 minute slot, but I the tour shows will probably be around 80/90 minutes having recently seeing the Radio City Show in June I was slightly disappointed that the set hadn't been changed since I saw her last in the UK ( apart from More Today and Look of love ) personally I would like to see her finish the set with mahogany/ mountain encore Reach out and touch. Leave them standing and swaying
    There are unlikely to be radical changes to the set other than the ones i previously mentioned dickiemint. It would be far too much work at this stage of her career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    Yes i think you are right reese. I knew it wasn't the Lottery Show. She got along very well with Terry Wogan . He was a huge fan and a really nice guy too. She also liked Des O'Connor. It was never a problem booking her onto either of those shows.
    I joined her international fan club around this time and they made tapes available for the fans. As a US fan, I almost felt neglected when I saw all of the tv spots she did in the UK.

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    I think ..once again..Motown dropped the ball.
    Not marketed at all.
    Great tour. Should have been marketed as adult contempary style album like Clive Davis did with manilow but of course...the Ross version with new songs

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    I joined her international fan club around this time and they made tapes available for the fans. As a US fan, I almost felt neglected when I saw all of the tv spots she did in the UK.
    I am glad you got access to them reese. There were a lot of them throughout the 90's, and it was such an honour and privilege to be with her for pretty much all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddh View Post
    I think ..once again..Motown dropped the ball.
    Not marketed at all.
    Great tour. Should have been marketed as adult contempary style album like Clive Davis did with manilow but of course...the Ross version with new songs
    Motown really had issues with marketing around this time. Only Boyz II Men was their consistent hitmaker around this time (I guess you can say The Boys and Shanice as well).

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    Looks like it was Wogan then but I can't recall it at all.

    Diana gave a superb performance on Top Of The Pops which usually means an increase in sales but strangely the record dropped the following week and then quickly fell off the UK chart.

    Perhaps a fifth single from Force was one too far despite some good promotion slots, maybe better we didn't get a sixth.

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    Ah, "Waiting in the Wings" from the same album...I really want to like this particular arrangement; however, I recall when I first heard it, I thought to myself, "Did they manipulate the instrumental and background voices track to slow it down and then had Diana to sing over an edited version?" Her vocals are excellent, however, I feel that the tempo is somewhat slow and plods along. I usually always love background voices/harmonies; however, voicing of the background singers (while I know they must be talented) led to a very drab sound. That's just my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGv_jYoBLPQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    Looking at the US charts from that period i found there was very little that i would regard as "truly unique or cutting edge"
    some of the top singles in the US in 1991 include:

    C+C Music Factory - gonna make you sweat, things that make you go hmmmm
    Mariah Carey - emotions, Someday, i don't want to cry
    Paula Abdul - rush rush
    Boys II Men - motown philly
    Madonna - justify my love
    Whitney Houston - i'm your baby tonight
    George Micheal - Freedom
    Extreme - More Than Words
    Marky Mark - Good Vibrations

    You also had the real emergence of rap, hip hop and new jack swing. whether or not it was to your personal liking (frankly it's not really mine) you certainly can't deny the impact it had at the time on dance music. Bobby Brown, Bell Biv Devoe, Color me Bad, Tony Toni Tone. and hip hop artists like Tone Loc, MC Hammer, Dr Dre, Snoop Dog, Public Enemy, NWA, Ice T

    now regardless of whether you enjoy these artists, songs or genres, THIS was the cutting edge music at the time. this is what was new and sought after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    some of the top singles in the US in 1991 include:

    C+C Music Factory - gonna make you sweat, things that make you go hmmmm
    Mariah Carey - emotions, Someday, i don't want to cry
    Paula Abdul - rush rush
    Boys II Men - motown philly
    Madonna - justify my love
    Whitney Houston - i'm your baby tonight
    George Micheal - Freedom
    Extreme - More Than Words
    Marky Mark - Good Vibrations

    You also had the real emergence of rap, hip hop and new jack swing. whether or not it was to your personal liking (frankly it's not really mine) you certainly can't deny the impact it had at the time on dance music. Bobby Brown, Bell Biv Devoe, Color me Bad, Tony Toni Tone. and hip hop artists like Tone Loc, MC Hammer, Dr Dre, Snoop Dog, Public Enemy, NWA, Ice T

    now regardless of whether you enjoy these artists, songs or genres, THIS was the cutting edge music at the time. this is what was new and sought after.
    I certainly would stop short at describing Paula Abdul as cutting edge. The woman couldn't carry a tune in a bucket.
    Marky Mark? Bobby Brown?Very popular i have to concede, but once again not cutting edge.
    All very geared to the youth market which i guess is the only market that matters in the singles chart, especially in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    I certainly would stop short at describing Paula Abdul as cutting edge. The woman couldn't carry a tune in a bucket.
    Marky Mark? Bobby Brown?Very popular i have to concede, but once again not cutting edge.
    All very geared to the youth market which i guess is the only market that matters in the singles chart, especially in the US.
    lol - now i'm not attempting to discuss the "artistic merits and capabilities" of these artists. i was gonna list Vanilla Ice too but figured that would simply bring about a deluge of criticism lolol

    i guess what i'm referring more to rather than "cutting edge" is the progression and trends in US pop music. this was a time when music that had been largely limited to the black communities exploded into the general pop realm. Rap had certainly been around for many years. and while i don't know exactly when rap pushed into the "ghetto" but from a chart ranking perspective it was in the late 80s/early 90s that this gathered a much more broad appeal.

    Now obviously i don't think Diana should have ventured into this territory lolol good lord! lol and i also concede that her attempts at modern music on WO was not properly executed.

    What i am saying is that with Force and even Take Me, i didn't get the feeling that her sound was really all that fresh and exciting. the songs were lovely but i didn't really think she was adapting current music to suit her. many of the songs just seemed like sort of generic attempts

    I do think Everyday was much more fresh and contemporary when released. Of all her return to motown albums, i think that one had the most potential for real appeal with the younger generation and dance music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    I do think Everyday was much more fresh and contemporary when released. Of all her return to motown albums, i think that one had the most potential for real appeal with the younger generation and dance music.
    I agree that Everyday probably was more fresh and contemporary but I didn't like it all that much when I first heard it. I much preferred the Take Me Higher album. Everyday has grown on me and I like it much more now than I did then. I don't think it helped that the cover was unattractive to me. Still, I felt the work on her return to Motown albums was better than her RCA material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thommg View Post
    I agree that Everyday probably was more fresh and contemporary but I didn't like it all that much when I first heard it. I much preferred the Take Me Higher album. Everyday has grown on me and I like it much more now than I did then. I don't think it helped that the cover was unattractive to me. Still, I felt the work on her return to Motown albums was better than her RCA material.
    oh i def agree that, aside from WO, her Motown 2 material was much stronger than the RCA. if for no other reason than she's not muffled or singing in an echo chamber. just the production values alone are higher.

    I do agree that EDIAND cover art isn't sensational. But frankly i didn't like the look on Take Me Higher either. Force was hot. WO - ick. but i think EVIAND is better than Take. the pic of her sitting in a galvanized washtub in the middle of country dirt road?!!? WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    Take. the pic of her sitting in a galvanized washtub in the middle of country dirt road?!!? WTF?
    It fairness to Diana, i believe it had been an extremely hot day. Even a superstar needs to find some way of cooling down.

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    TMH was much better than EDIAND

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    TMH was much better than EDIAND
    I love the TMH album. But to me EIAND was more fresh and current. Loved it when it was released and still play it often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgalindo View Post
    I love the TMH album. But to me EIAND was more fresh and current. Loved it when it was released and still play it often.
    I play Love Is All That Matters but EDIAND is likely the least played Ross album I own

    But I’ve stopped listening to CDs and mostly stream Sirius stations

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgalindo View Post
    I love the TMH album. But to me EIAND was more fresh and current. Loved it when it was released and still play it often.
    I agree vgalindo. A brilliant album that still sounds current today. The only song i never play is "Someone That You Loved Before". It's just to please forgive me in sentiment for me to fully enjoy. I would replace this song with "Free (I'm Gone)".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    I play Love Is All That Matters but EDIAND is likely the least played Ross album I own

    But I’ve stopped listening to CDs and mostly stream Sirius stations
    I assume these stations play Let's Get Sirius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie9 View Post
    It fairness to Diana, i believe it had been an extremely hot day. Even a superstar needs to find some way of cooling down.
    hahaha - hose her off

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    The Force Behind The Power is a nice album, very much suited to Diana... Every Day Is A New Day is not bad, it managed well to keep up with modern sounds... but Take Me Higher, I think, DOES BOTH, AND IS MY FAVE OF HER 90s ALBUMS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoTom123 View Post
    The Force Behind The Power is a nice album, very much suited to Diana... Every Day Is A New Day is not bad, it managed well to keep up with modern sounds... but Take Me Higher, I think, DOES BOTH, AND IS MY FAVE OF HER 90s ALBUMS!
    I love Force and Take me Higher. They both still sound classy and fresh. Everyday never moved me in the same way. I listened again the other day, and whilst it is a solid album i think it lacks the cohesion of the previous pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    I love Force and Take me Higher. They both still sound classy and fresh. Everyday never moved me in the same way. I listened again the other day, and whilst it is a solid album i think it lacks the cohesion of the previous pair.
    interesting - to me, its definitely the most cohesive. although i could see people finding the lyric just too depressing and therefore not liking it. Or that the overall subject makes the album too morose, resulting in poorer sales

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    “Everyday is a new day” is a great album. There is a part of Diana’s fan base that doesn’t like the “R&B” Diana and that’s ok. I prefer it. What I don’t get is how many imply it’s gloomy and sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khansperac View Post
    “Everyday is a new day” is a great album. There is a part of Diana’s fan base that doesn’t like the “R&B” Diana and that’s ok. I prefer it. What I don’t get is how many imply it’s gloomy and sad.
    I love the r&b Diana, but i don't regard the likes of until we meet again, carry on and hope is an open window r&b . I would regard The Take me higher album as a better example of the r&b Diana.
    Last edited by Bluebrock; 11-25-2019 at 02:15 PM. Reason: Not finished the post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    I love the r&b Diana, but i don't regard the likes of until we meet again, carry on and hope is an open window r&b . I would regard The Take me higher album as a better example of the r&b Diana.
    I agree Blue!

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