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    "the phil spector thread"

    Welcome To The "PHIL SPECTOR" Thread! By popular demand, I am presenting a Spector Biography (below) which will be followed by:

    A - Complete Philles 45 Discography
    B - Complete Philles LP Discography
    C - The Unreleased Masters

    (B & C will be coming soon!) Here's hoping you'll all enjoy and comment on the legendary masterpieces of Phil Spector and Philles Records.


    PHIL SPECTOR BIOGRAPHY:

    Phil Spector was born in NYC on December 26, 1940. As a life-long music lover, he went on to write and produce many number one songs in the US and UK while developing his signature "Wall of Sound" of which many attempted to copy but few succeeded.

    Phil's first hit record in 1958 was The Teddy Bear's "To Know Him Is To Love Him" on which he wrote, produced, and performed, sending it to #1 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100.
    https://youtu.be/vrwf-sIcr0M
    L-R: Marshall Lieb, Annette Kleinbard, Phil Spector)

    After acting as a freelance writer/producer at various record labels, it was in 1961 that Phil Spector formed a business partnership with Lester Sill by setting up his own record label, Philles Records (PHIL + LESter = Philles). [NOTE: Although the spelling suggests a pronunciation like the female name 'Phyllis', everyone I've ever known pronounces it Phillies, like the baseball team, which also explains why many often misspell Philles Records by adding the letter 'i' to the es.]

    Phil Spector recorded his famous Philles recordings with The Wrecking Crew session musicians at Gold Star studio in L.A. Phil's band included 5 or 6 guitars, three pianos, tenor saxes and an army of baritone saxes, two or three bass players, Hal Blaine's thunderous drums and Earl Palmer's trap set, and a myriad of percussion including castanets, maracas, shakers, bells, chimes, woodblock, temple blocks, sleigh bells, handclaps, and an array of back-up singers including Darlene Love & The Blossoms, Sonny Bono, Cher, Nino Tempo, and any sound effect that the song-at-hand required -- all squeezed into that tiny little Gold Star studio with its low ceilings and famous echo chamber! Phil typically spent 3 hours just setting up the mics positioned at each musician's chair. By the time he was satisfied and ready to start the tape rolling, the guitar players' fingers would be bleeding. But the Wrecking Crew all loved working with Phil because they knew that what they'd end up with at the end of the all-day session would be a magnificent masterpiece they would all be proud to be a part of!

    To achieve the Wall Of Sound, Phil would record the successful take on a mono tape recorder. He would then have his recording engineer, Larry Levine, copy that tape onto another recorder. From the 2nd recorder, he would dub that copy back over onto the first recorder so that every time he dubbed (overdubbed), the sound would double. (This process was known as "Sound-On-Sound".) The original 5 guitars would become 10 guitars, 3 pianos became 6, the saxes became an army of tenor and and baritone saxes, and Hal Blaine's drum fills became gloriously thunderous, as did the percussion instruments. The back-up singers went from a back-up chorus of 6 or 7 to a choir of 12 or 14. Phil would keep overdubbing and again doubling the sound until he heard what he wanted. Larry Levine would warn Phil, "Jeez, Phil, you can't do that! The VU meter is already up into the Red Zone", and Phil would reply, "I don't care. The sound is exactly how I want it.", and Larry, of course, would abide. Each time Phil overdubbed, the echo effect would increase. Add to that Gold Star's famous built-in echo chamber and you've got the Spector "Wall-Of-Sound" which proved to be revolutionary, thus paving the way for overdubbing in the world of Popular music.

    [See NOTE below (in "Complete Philles 45 Discography" immediately following the Philles 111 entry) regarding the exit of Lester Sill from Philles Records.)

    It's also important to note that from 1961-1967, Philles released a total of only 37 singles and 13 albums. The reason is that, while many record companies released several records at one time, throwing a handful of them to the wind, hoping that one might hit big, Phil Spector concentrated on producing just one recording at a time -- taking great care that each and every note in his 3-minute "Little Symphonies" were absolutely perfect and worthy of Philles release. Whereas other record companies would typically record 4 songs within a timed, Union-controlled recording session, Phil would book session time at Gold Star for the entire day to perfect and record just that one song. And he paid his Wrecking Crew musicians handsomely, too. It has been reported that Tina Turner's recording of "River Deep - Mountain High" required a total of 5 recording sessions to complete, costing Phil an incredible $22,000.00 which was unheard of back in the day, yet he felt that "River Deep" was his crowning achievement and was willing to pay whatever it cost to achieve it. Sadly, "River Deep" stalled at #88 on the U.S. Pop chart, causing a discouraged and defeated Phil Spector to close Philles' doors in 1967.
    ********************************
    ON A PERSONAL NOTE:
    For me, it started with The Crystal's "He's A Rebel" 45 in October '62 (when I was 11). After getting The Crystals' "He's A Rebel" LP for my 12th birthday in March '63, Philles soon became my very first favorite record label, and Phil Spector became my first favorite producer. The hits continued into 1963 with more Crystals, Bob B. Sox & The Blue Jeans, and Darlene Love gems, as well as the newest stars on the Philles roster, The Ronettes. 1963 represented Philles' peak year which also included the 6-week, all-night-long, marathin Gold Star recording sessions for the iconic Christmas album, "A Christmas Gift For You From Philles Records." Hits continued throughout 1964 with more of the same and also adding the Righteous Brothers to the roster through 1965 until Philles hits and successes started waning. Phil refused to bribe the radio DJ's with Payola. He figured his track record of hits should be enough for the radio DJs to crave each of his new releases, which they did, until the older DJ's retired and were replaced by a new crop of wise-ass, "entitled" D.J.'s who figured, "Who does Spector think he is -- expecting us to play his records without compensating us for it?" Phil also should have been signing new groups in order to keep up with the times and the latest trends, but he didn't. Philles slowly went down the tubes -- partly because of that, and partly because the British Invasion knocked the Philles girl groups off the charts. It's sad that Philles died out, while Motown grew up hand in hand with The Beatles and the other British groups.

  2. #2
    COMPLETE PHILLES RECORDS 45 DISCOGRAPHY"

    PHILLES 100-114:

    PHILLES 100 (Released 10/1961)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "There's No Other (Like My Baby)
    (L. Bates - P. Spector)
    Lead Vocal: Barbara Alston
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/Vfctn_DX5r0
    b/w
    "Oh Yeah, Maybe Baby"
    (H. Hunter - P. Spector)
    Lead Vocal: Pat Wright
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/XLyCmu7MvEE


    PHILLES 101 (Released 3/1962)
    JOEL SCOTT:
    "You're My Only Love"
    (George Motola - Ricki Page)
    Producer: Lester Sill-Motola-Silver
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/20K3vfn6tRQ
    b/w
    "Here I Stand"
    (George Motola)
    Producer: Lester Sill-Motola-Silver
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/t0VD95cnE9Y


    PHILLES 102 (Released 3/1962)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "Uptown"
    (B. Mann - C. Weil)
    Lead Vocal: Barbara Alston
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/_K-ZrnDxxXo
    b/w
    "What A Nice Way To Turn Seventeen"
    (L. Kolber - J. Keller)
    Lead Vocal: Barbara Alston
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/RtXaNiD_Yis


    PHILLES 103 (Released 1962)
    ALI HASSAN:
    "Malaguena" (Instrumental)
    (E. Lecuona)
    Producer: Al Hazan
    Arranger: Al Hazan
    https://youtu.be/z8nTp-x3WJ0
    b/w
    "Chop Sticks" (Instrumental)
    (Traditional)
    Producer: Al Hazan
    Arranger: Al Hazan
    https://youtu.be/9OGNzNmvrPE


    PHILLES 104 (Released 6/1962)
    STEVE DOUGLAS & HIS MERRY MEN:
    "Lieutenant Colonel Bogey's Parade" (Instrumental)
    (L. Sill)
    Producer: Lester Sill
    Arranger: Lester Sill
    https://youtu.be/Zm-tzNpvh-o
    b/w
    "Yes Sir, That's My Baby" (Instrumental)
    (W. Donaldson - G. Kahn)
    Producer: Lester Sill
    Arranger: Lester Sill
    https://youtu.be/GZdv5RNPqNo


    PHILLES 105 - (Released 7/1962) (Withdrawn)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "He Hit Me (And It Felt Like a Kiss)"
    (C. King - G. Goffin)
    Lead Vocal: Barbara Alston
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/f20Oz9Yr_So
    b/w
    "No One Ever Tells You"
    (C. King - G. Goffin - P. Spector)
    Lead Vocal: Barbara Alston
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/qm6gf8XsUic


    PHILLES 106 (Released 10/1962)
    THE CRYSTALS (The Blossoms):
    "He's A Rebel"
    (Gene Pitney)
    Lead Vocal: Darlene Love
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/jbp1h74-RUs
    b/w
    "I Love You Eddie"
    (P. Spector - H. Hunter)
    Lead Vocal: Barbara Alston
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/gesaxB2kAy8


    PHILLES 107 (Released 10/1962)
    BOB B. SOXX & THE BLUE JEANS:
    (Bobby Sheen w/Darlene Love & The Blossoms):
    "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah"
    (R. Gilbert - A. Wrubel)
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Sheen
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/PWOkSyR_NhU
    b/w
    "Flip And Nitty" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/6m2yVIpVsAo


    PHILLES 108 (Released 1/1963)
    THE ALLEY CATS:
    "Puddin' 'N' Tain (Ask Me Again I'll Tell You The Same)"
    (B. Caufield - G. Pipkin - A. Willis)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/nvrsfjgjSRc
    b/w
    "Feel So Good"
    (B. Caufield - G. Pipkin)
    Producer: Lou Adler
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/U8-s8zGpodE


    PHILLES 109 (Released 12/1962)
    THE CRYSTALS (The Blossoms):
    "He's Sure The Boy I Love"
    (B. Mann - C. Weil)
    (Lead Vocal: Darlene Love)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arrranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/Lf_fxswodiQ
    b/w
    "Walkin' Along (La-La-La)"
    (Instrumental with Back-Up Vocals)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/ccUAHane2QE


    PHILLES 110 (Released 1/1963)
    BOB B. SOXX & THE BLUE JEANS (Bobby Sheen w/Darlene Love & The Blossoms):
    "Why Do Lovers Break Each Other's Heart"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - T. Powers)
    Lead Vocal: Darlene Love
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/cCzBJe5Mt6k
    b/w
    "Dr. Kaplan's Office" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/TIjQyXVZ-_U


    PHILLES 111 (Promos Only, Early 1963)
    THE CRYSTALS (Back-up Vocals Only)
    (P. Spector)
    "(Let's Dance) The Screw - Part I"
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/Pdd6a9nFEWA
    b/w
    THE CRYSTALS (Back-Up Vocals Only)
    "(Let's Dance) The Screw - Part II"
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/1-nw-lsQJ3M

    [NOTE: Phil Spector had been enjoying a perfect track record with his Philles productions while business partner Lester Sill (the LES in PhilLES) was releasing second-, or even third-rate, material (like Philles 104 above), thus threatening to taint Philles' stellar reputation which Phil had worked so hard to build. Phil wanted Lester Sill OUT of Philles ASAP. To accomplish this, Phil offered Sill ALL proceeds from The Crystals' next record. As a result, Sill agreed to the offer, to which Phil released the sure-fire flop -- "The Screw" (as in "Screw you, Lester Sill!").]

    Also assigned to the same record #:

    PHILLES 111 (Released 4/1963)
    DARLENE LOVE:
    "(Today I Met) The Boy I'm Gonna Marry)"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - T. Powers)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/xpe8u-FDXVU
    b/w
    "My Heart Beat A Little Faster"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - T. Powers)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/__GY5btOmSM

    [NOTE: Some B-side copies of PHILLES 111 (Darlene Love) pressed with:
    "Playing For Keeps"
    (Spector - Sands)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/GHj4uZf4CIQ


    PHILLES 112 (Released 4/1963)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "Da Doo Ron Ron (When He Walked Me Home)"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Lead: Delores "LaLa" Brooks
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/S-OTd7DXjlo
    b/w
    "Git' It" (Instrumental)
    (Arnold Goland)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector)
    https://youtu.be/5hwS-C5V-VM


    PHILLES 113 (Released 5/1963)
    BOB B. SOXX & THE BLUE JEANS
    (Bobby Sheen/The Blossoms):
    "Not Too Young To Get Married"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Lead Vocal: Darlene Love
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/RzyoXLEfD_o
    b/w
    "Annette" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector - C. Sands)
    Back-Up Vocal: Bobby Sheen???)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/u_QZcGnjilk


    PHILLES 114 (Released 7/1963)
    DARLENE LOVE (Darlene Wright):
    "Wait 'Til My Bobby Gets Home"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Lead Vocals: Duet - Darlene Wright & sister Edna Wright (Later, Of Honey Cone Fame)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/ZXCIETOrw4Q
    b/w
    "Take It From Me"
    (P. Spector - C. Sands)
    Lead Vocal: Darlene Love (Darlene Wright)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/d6PThB_QbYk

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    PHILLES 115-124:

    PHILLES 115 (Released 8/1963)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "Then He Kissed Me"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Lead Vocal: LaLa Brooks
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/DfM6dl_yt10
    b/w
    "Brother Julius" (Instrumental)
    (Arnold Goland)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/Ek3JfPtYoEc


    PHILLES 116 (Released 8/1963)
    THE RONETTES:
    "Be My Baby"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/P5PoIljTtFQ
    b/w
    "Tedesco And Pitman" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/l4LCbpji4pY


    PHILLES 117 (Released 10/1963)
    DARLENE LOVE:
    "A Fine, Fine Boy"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/QWHoI3W8pns
    b/w
    "Nino And Sonny (Big Trouble)" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/erOvAZm2ESg


    PHILLES 118 (Released 12/1963)
    THE RONETTES:
    "Baby I Love You"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/5NRlLQW9w4o
    b/w
    "Miss Joan And Mr. Sam" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/9zjtM7psgEc


    PHILLES 119 (Released 11/1963)
    DARLENE LOVE:
    "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/tNPpBMTeHUI
    b/w
    "Harry And Milt Meet Hal B." (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/jEPRfWXHbqA


    PHILLES X-EP (Released Christmas Season 1963)
    VARIOUS ARTISTS - "CHRISTMAS EP":
    Side A:
    1) THE RONETTES - "Sleigh Ride"
    https://youtu.be/Y6rDA2Czz0E
    2) BOB B. SOXX & THE BLUE JEANS - "The Bells Of St. Mary"
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Sheen
    https://youtu.be/sZqxQYgTpFw
    b/w
    Side B:
    3) DARLENE LOVE: "White Christmas"
    https://youtu.be/gY1MAsk-eAA
    4) THE CRYSTALS: "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town"
    Lead Vocal: LaLa Brooks
    https://youtu.be/Cljd0ILpMRY


    PHILLES 119X (Released 1/1964)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "Little Boy"
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    (Lead Vocal: LaLa Brooks)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/k9ppGbcDxo0
    b/w
    "Harry (From W. VA) & Milt" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/iOvAovzW-Oc


    PHILLES 120 (Released 4/1964)
    THE RONETTES:
    "(The Best Part Of) Breakin' Up"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/dTEx3dd_ScE
    b/w
    "Big Red" (Instrumental)
    (A. L. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/tTc0kedZVxQ


    PHILLES 121 (Released 6/1964)
    THE RONETTES:
    "Do I Love You"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/FJ-FoTs6Oqw
    b/w
    "Bebe And Susu" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/5A-t-X-E7mo


    PHILLES 122 (Released 7/1964)
    THE CRYSTALS:
    "ALL GROWN UP" (Surf Version)
    (P. Spector - E. Greenwich - J. Barry)
    (Lead Vocal: LaLa Brooks)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/40zmbb0Nk0w
    b/w
    "Irving (Jaggered Sixteenths) (Instrumental)
    (A. Goland)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/WZd3zXqJhJc


    PHILLES 123 (Released 8/1964) (Withdrawn 2 Weeks Later)
    DARLENE LOVE:
    "Stumble And Fall"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/KO1Rxq4d4SM
    b/w
    "(He's A) Quiet Guy"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/Gciizyqyg4k

    [NOTE: Darlene Love and The Blossoms had managed to secure a position on the weekly musical TV show "Shindig" as back-up singers for guest recording artists each week. Having just released Darlene's "Stumble And Fall" 45 on Philles 123, Phil informed Darlene that he wanted her to quit "Shindig" and make herself available to him at all times for recording sessions, as necessary. Darlene refused on the grounds that Phil records track after track on her but then never releases them, whereas her "Shindig" gig pays a steady paycheck. Darlene stuck it out with "Shindig", Phil took it as betrayal, and, to punish her, withdrew "Stumble And Fall" within two weeks of its release. To add insult to injury, Phil reassigned Philles 123 to the upcoming Ronettes' "Walking In The Rain" single, as though Darlene's "Stumble And Fall" never existed. Ouch!]


    PHILLES 123 (# 123 Reassigned & Released 10/1964)
    THE RONETTES:
    "Walking In The Rain"
    (P. Spector - B. Mann - C. Weil)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/gRUmxjVYA8k
    b/w
    "How Does It Feel"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/BuCpyZnaNF0


    PHILLES 124 (Released 11/1964)
    THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS:
    "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling"
    (P. Spector, B. Mann, C. Weil)
    (Lead Vocal: Bill Medley & Bobby Hatfield)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Gene Page
    https://youtu.be/uOnYY9Mw2Fg
    b/w
    "There's A Woman"
    (B. Medley, B. Hatfield, P. Spector)
    Lead Vocals: Bill Medley & Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Bill Medley
    Arranger: Bill Medley
    https://youtu.be/P7AJ6-2257g

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post

    PHILLES 123 (Released 8/1964) (Withdrawn 2 Weeks Later)
    DARLENE LOVE:
    "Stumble And Fall"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/KO1Rxq4d4SM
    b/w
    "(He's A) Quiet Guy"
    (P. Spector - V. Poncia - P. Andreoli)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/Gciizyqyg4k

    [NOTE: Darlene Love and The Blossoms had managed to secure a position on the weekly musical TV show "Shindig" as back-up singers for guest recording artists each week. Having just released Darlene's "Stumble And Fall" 45 on Philles 123, Phil informed Darlene that he wanted her to quit "Shindig" and make herself available to him at all times for recording sessions, as necessary. Darlene refused on the grounds that Phil records track after track on her but then never releases them, whereas her "Shindig" gig pays a steady paycheck. Darlene stuck it out with "Shindig", Phil took it as betrayal, and, to punish her, withdrew "Stumble And Fall" within two weeks of its release. To add insult to injury, Phil reassigned Philles 123 to the upcoming Ronettes' "Walking In The Rain" single, as though Darlene's "Stumble And Fall" never existed. Ouch!]
    When I heard "Stumble And Fall", it knocked me out! I really like this one and couldn't understand why Phil would withdraw something this good. Now you've brought out the light on this one. I love Darlene's (and The Blossoms') work on "Shindig!" I've managed to collect, I think, every episode of the show (and I could talk for decades about my love of this show!)

    I often wondered about how their weekly appearances on the show affected their working with Phil. I don't think the Blossoms ever promoted their own records on the show, unless I just haven't seen the espisode(s) yet. I had never known that Phil Spector view Darlene's being on the show as a betrayal. Very interesting.

    Gary, your work here, listing all these records, recording info, etc. is nothing short of amazing. I love your love for this subject!

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance View Post
    When I heard "Stumble And Fall", it knocked me out! I really like this one and couldn't understand why Phil would withdraw something this good. Now you've brought out the light on this one. I love Darlene's (and The Blossoms') work on "Shindig!" I've managed to collect, I think, every episode of the show (and I could talk for decades about my love of this show!)

    I often wondered about how their weekly appearances on the show affected their working with Phil. I don't think the Blossoms ever promoted their own records on the show, unless I just haven't seen the espisode(s) yet. I had never known that Phil Spector view Darlene's being on the show as a betrayal. Very interesting.

    Gary, your work here, listing all these records, recording info, etc. is nothing short of amazing. I love your love for this subject!
    Thank you very much for your kind words, Waiting. It's acknowledgment and compliments like yours that keep me going. And, believe me, there's still a lot more to come and more work to do! I'm nearly finished compiling Phil Spector - Part C - "Rare & Unreleased Philles Plus" which I'm really excited about!

    You are the umpteenth person who has said the same thing and raved about Darlene's "Stumble And Fall" recently. I believe that if people had been given a chance to hear it on the radio, it might have been the hit that Phil was desperately in need of at the time. But, withdrawing it to get back at Darlene was merely cutting off his own nose to spite his face. Again, Phil was, at times, his own worst enemy.

    I always loved those Shindig shows with Darlene and The Blossoms. In addition to backing up other artists on the show, they were usually given one song to sing on their own, but I don't remember it ever being one of their own Philles songs. The performance I remember most was when they sang The Velvelettes' "Needle In A Haystack". I can still see their finger movements like sewing with a needle and thread! Real good stuff!
    Last edited by Philles/Motown Gary; 08-31-2019 at 07:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance View Post
    ... I love Darlene's (and The Blossoms') work on "Shindig!" I've managed to collect, I think, every episode of the show (and I could talk for decades about my love of this show!)

    I often wondered about how their weekly appearances on the show affected their working with Phil. I don't think the Blossoms ever promoted their own records on the show, unless I just haven't seen the espisode(s) yet. I had never known that Phil Spector view Darlene's being on the show as a betrayal. Very interesting.
    Off the top of my head, I know they performed their releases THAT'S WHEN THE TEARS START and GOOD GOOD LOVIN' on the show. But they were on the Reprise label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    Off the top of my head, I know they performed their releases THAT'S WHEN THE TEARS START and GOOD GOOD LOVIN' on the show. But they were on the Reprise label.
    Reese, back then, I wasn't even aware that The Blossoms had signed with Reprise Records. (I thought they were still with Philles.) If I had heard them sing "Good, Good Lovin'" on Shindig, I would have just figured they were singing a cover version of somebody else's song, which was what the girls always did on Shindig.
    Last edited by Philles/Motown Gary; 09-04-2019 at 12:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    Reese, back then, I wasn't even aware that The Blossoms had signed with Reprise Records. (I thought they were still with Philles.) If I had heard them sing "Good, Good Lovin'" on Shindig, I would have just figured they were singing a cover version of somebody else's song, which was what the girls always did on Shindig.
    In Darlene's book, she included a photo of the Blossoms holding their Teen Screen award. In the captioned, she mention how SHINDIG! brought them an award but no hit records.

  9. #9
    PHILLES X125-136

    PHILLES X-125 (Released 12/1964
    DARLENE LOVE:
    "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)"
    (P. Spector, E. Greenwich, J. Barry)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/0otJfACKDvM
    b/w
    "Winter Wonderland"
    (Smith - Bernard)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/AWuzE9V3NDE

    [NOTE: Some copies of Philles X-125 pressed with the extremely rare B-Side:

    "Winter Blues" (Instrumental)
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/-A4VJhIKF78


    PHILLES 126 (Released 2/1965)
    THE RONETTES:
    "Born To Be Together"
    (P. Spector, B. Mann, C. Weil)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/rpkMvPweuDg
    b/w
    "Blues For Baby"
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/D7shQlfZdCQ


    PHILLES 127 (Released 4/1965)
    THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS:
    "Just Once In My Life)
    (P. Spector, G. Goffin, C. King)
    (Lead Vocals: Bill Medley & Bobby Hatfield)
    https://youtu.be/mTS2L-TrHJk
    b/w
    "The Blues"
    (B. Medley)
    Lead Vocals: Bill Medley & Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Bill Medley
    https://youtu.be/dK4BonyjVXA


    PHILLES 128 (Released 5/1965)
    THE RONETTES:
    "Is This What I Get For Loving You"
    (P. Spector, G. Goffin, C. King)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/bymNkZRDZ_8
    b/w
    "Oh, I Love You"
    (P. Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/jwjM0MXm5fw


    PHILLES 129 (Released 7/1965)
    THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS
    "Hung On You"
    (P. Spector, G. Goffin, C. King)
    Lead Vocals: Bill Medley & Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/rIE3kBVYzxQ
    b/w
    "Unchained Melody"
    (Zaret-North)
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Not Listed
    https://youtu.be/5zzjjkPA5dg

    [NOTE: "Hung On You" was the intended A-Side of Philles 129. However, radio deejays flipped the record over and B-Side "Unchained Melody" became the hit. The record label credits Phil Spector as Producer. However, in his book, "The Time Of My Life", Bill Medley claims that he, himself, produced it -- not Phil. Believe what you may.


    PHILLES 130 (Released 11/1965)
    THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS:
    "Ebb Tide"
    (Carl Sigman - Robert Maxwell)
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Perry Botkin, Jr.
    https://youtu.be/sMfxIS3pHnI
    b/w
    "(I Love You) For Sentimental Reasons"
    (Deek Watson - William Best)
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/OyB0O0-DdXU


    PHILLES 131 (Released 5/1966)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "River Deep - Mountain High"
    (P. Spector; J. Barry, E. Greenwich)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/ULw1RHHPv5g
    b/w
    "I'll Keep You Happy"
    (P. Spector)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/qzrU2jn7sN4


    PHILLES 132 (Released 10/1966)
    THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS:
    "The White Cliffs Of Dover"
    (Frank J. Black & Alice Duer Miller)
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Gene Page
    https://youtu.be/wQ1p4AP3SsI
    b/w
    "She's Mine All Mine"
    (Bob Hatfield)
    Lead Vocal: Bobby Hatfield
    Producer: Bill Medley
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/jbFF9Sgi3Ic


    PHILLES 133 (Released 10/1966)
    THE RONETTES:
    "I Can Hear Music"
    (P. Spector, J. Barry, E. Greenwich)
    Producer: Jeff Barry
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/Tj1D06K4eEY
    b/w
    "When I Saw You"
    (Phil Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/Hdvuw96j1x8


    PHILLES 134 (Released 10/1966)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "Two To Tango"
    (D. Manning & A. Hoffman)
    Producer: Bob Crewe
    Arranger: Herb Bernstein
    https://youtu.be/H3wqGtLqQoU
    b/w
    "A Man Is A Man Is A Man"
    (Pete Antell)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Bob Crewe
    Arranger: Herb Bernstein
    https://youtu.be/A-U7qP7No4Q


    PHILLES 135 (Released 6/1967)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "I'll Never Need More Than This"
    (P. Spector, J. Barry, E. Greenwich)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/Gx2BoL07HJ0
    b/w
    "The Cash Box Blues" Or ("Oops, We Printed The Wrong Story Again") (Instrumental)
    (Phil Spector)
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Phil Spector
    https://youtu.be/dGtbr2_UsSQ


    PHILLES 136 (Released 1967)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "A Love Like Yours (Don't Come Knocking Every Day)"
    (Holland-Dozier-Holland)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/lgHKVUVzheY
    b/w
    "I Idolize You"
    (Ike Turner)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Ike Turner
    Arranger: Unknown
    https://youtu.be/1-pqTW5gd3Q

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    [NOTE: "Hung On You" was the intended A-Side of Philles 129. However, radio deejays flipped the record over and B-Side "Unchained Melody" became the hit. The record label credits Phil Spector as Producer. However, in his book, "The Time Of My Life", Bill Medley claims that he, himself, produced it -- not Phil. Believe what you may.
    The 45 label didn't initially credit Phil Spector as producer of "Unchained Melody", though he was always credited as producer on "Hung on You". You can see some of the pressings - including promo labels - at the link below.

    http://www.45cat.com/record/129

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    PHILLES X125-136

    PHILLES 135 (Released 6/1967)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "I'll Never Need More Than This"
    (P. Spector, J. Barry, E. Greenwich)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Phil Spector
    Arranger: Jack "Specs" Nitzsche
    https://youtu.be/Gx2BoL07HJ0
    (heavy, HEAVY sighs!) This one song by Tina, for me, ranks right up there with "River Deep", but for different reasons. "River" leaves me gasping for air whenever I play it. It's such a rush of adrenaline, like being caught up in an aural whirlpool, that I always feel like I was hit by several freight trains at once.

    "I'll Never Need More Than This", on the other hand, is a sneaky little devil of a song. It doesn't beat you over the head but instead, it seems to just play on something much deeper; almost a sort of subliminal mind game. This one burrows deep into me. I've never had hash brownies, but I have the feeling the effect is very much like hearing this song: an odd sort of dream-like feeling where you're not even sure if you're dreaming or not.

    The chorus, choir of singers behind Tina sounds like Phil somehow got two football stadiums full of people singing onto tape. Their sound is pure joy and euphoria and when the song gets to the end- one stadium, full of singers just grooving on their mountainous "ahhhhhs" while the second stadium packed with singers jamming on singing "wish this could go on forever"...and I really do wish they could just go on forever singing that refrain.

    This record is pure rapture.

    And thanks for including links to youtube for each song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaitingWatchingLookingForAChance View Post
    (heavy, HEAVY sighs!) This one song by Tina, for me, ranks right up there with "River Deep", but for different reasons. "River" leaves me gasping for air whenever I play it. It's such a rush of adrenaline, like being caught up in an aural whirlpool, that I always feel like I was hit by several freight trains at once.

    "I'll Never Need More Than This", on the other hand, is a sneaky little devil of a song. It doesn't beat you over the head but instead, it seems to just play on something much deeper; almost a sort of subliminal mind game. This one burrows deep into me. I've never had hash brownies, but I have the feeling the effect is very much like hearing this song: an odd sort of dream-like feeling where you're not even sure if you're dreaming or not.

    The chorus, choir of singers behind Tina sounds like Phil somehow got two football stadiums full of people singing onto tape. Their sound is pure joy and euphoria and when the song gets to the end- one stadium, full of singers just grooving on their mountainous "ahhhhhs" while the second stadium packed with singers jamming on singing "wish this could go on forever"...and I really do wish they could just go on forever singing that refrain.

    This record is pure rapture.

    And thanks for including links to youtube for each song!
    You're very welcome, Waiting. Providing links for each song to back up my comments is half the fun of it!

    Yeah, "I'll Never Need More Than This" is just a great, great record which deserved to be a huge it. Unfortunately, I doubt if it even got any airplay. Such were the final days at Philles Records.

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    You're very welcome, Waiting. Providing links for each song to back up my comments is half the fun of it!

    Yeah, "I'll Never Need More Than This" is just a great, great record which deserved to be a huge it. Unfortunately, I doubt if it even got any airplay. Such were the final days at Philles Records.
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    It didn't get ANY airplay in Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Detroit, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Los Angeles, San Diego, or San Francisco Bay Area, as far as I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robb_k View Post
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    It didn't get ANY airplay in Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Detroit, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Los Angeles, San Diego, or San Francisco Bay Area, as far as I remember.
    And that's a shame, Robb. I love "I'll Never Need More Than This" even more than "River Deep".

  15. #15
    Here's my small contribution to this Phil Spector thread. That's Phil on guitar:


  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    Here's my small contribution to this Phil Spector thread. That's Phil on guitar:

    Thanks, Marv. I already included a link for this video in the main post above (under "Phil Spector Biography"). I could hardly believe it when I discovered it yesterday. The Perry Como Show! What a rare and wonderful piece of history!

  17. #17
    Very well done biography & discography on Phil Spector. Thanks to Philles/Motown Gary.

  18. #18
    Thank you! I love the Wall of Sound. I cherish the Back To Mono box set.

  19. #19
    This is really great stuff Gary ! very thorough job!

    At first I thought, wait a minute , I only see 36 singles listed , but then I realized the first single was numbered #100. Very organized , and not a missing number in his cataloguing , makes me think Phil was very precise in his thinking and in his way of doing business. (?)

    I'll reread your work here when time permits Gary . I look forward to it!

  20. #20
    Thanks for that listing. I had completely forgotten that at the time I was unable to access hearing the Lester Sill tracks which, thanks to your YouTubelinks, I have now finally had the [dis]pleasure of listening to at last.

    The Crystals' "I Wonder" was issued in the UK as a single. Was there never a US number allocated?

  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Motown Eddie View Post
    Very well done biography & discography on Phil Spector. Thanks to Philles/Motown Gary.
    Thank you very much, Eddie. I appreciate it!

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by lucky2012 View Post
    Thank you! I love the Wall of Sound. I cherish the Back To Mono box set.
    You're very welcome, Lucky. That "Back To Mono" box set was a gift straight from heaven!

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    The 45 label didn't initially credit Phil Spector as producer of "Unchained Melody", though he was always credited as producer on "Hung on You". You can see some of the pressings - including promo labels - at the link below.

    http://www.45cat.com/record/129
    My copy credits Phil as producer, smallworld. (See attached video/photo.)
    https://youtu.be/66V_YbcXgWc

    I guess it's one of the world's wonders we'll never be quite sure of!

  24. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Boogiedown View Post
    This is really great stuff Gary ! very thorough job!

    At first I thought, wait a minute , I only see 36 singles listed , but then I realized the first single was numbered #100. Very organized , and not a missing number in his cataloguing , makes me think Phil was very precise in his thinking and in his way of doing business. (?)

    I'll reread your work here when time permits Gary . I look forward to it!
    Thanks so much, John! I really appreciate it. Yeah, Phil started the numbering of his singles with 100 which throws off the total count by one. He did the same thing with the Philles LPs which started with 4000.

    And, yes, Phil was/is a perfectionist. Everything had to be just so. The slightest veering from perfection would drive him crazy. I know what he went through. I, too, am a perfectionist and I drive MYSELF crazy at times! Ha!

  25. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    Thanks for that listing. I had completely forgotten that at the time I was unable to access hearing the Lester Sill tracks which, thanks to your YouTubelinks, I have now finally had the [dis]pleasure of listening to at last.

    The Crystals' "I Wonder" was issued in the UK as a single. Was there never a US number allocated?
    You're very welcome, 144man. "Dis"-pleasure is right! Some of those Lester Sill releases are tough to listen through! It's hard to believe that Steve Doiglas & His Merry Men (Philles 104 above) is the same Steve Douglas who played the cool tenor sax solo on The Crystals' "He's A Rebel"! It's plain to see why Phil wanted Lester Sill out of Philles before any further damage could be done.

  26. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    Thanks for that listing. I had completely forgotten that at the time I was unable to access hearing the Lester Sill tracks which, thanks to your YouTubelinks, I have now finally had the [dis]pleasure of listening to at last.

    The Crystals' "I Wonder" was issued in the UK as a single. Was there never a US number allocated?
    Almost forgot, 144man -- The Crystals' "I Wonder" was never released as a single in the U.S. I'm saving it for Part C - "Previously Unreleased Philles" tracks (with YouTube sound clips!)

  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    Almost forgot, 144man -- The Crystals' "I Wonder" was never released as a single in the U.S. I'm saving it for Part C - "Previously Unreleased Philles" tracks (with YouTube sound clips!)
    Will you be including somewhere the 1964 releases on the Phil Spector, Shirley and Annette labels which used to be considered as subsidiaries of Philles, all of which are produced by Phil Spector?

  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    Will you be including somewhere the 1964 releases on the Phil Spector, Shirley and Annette labels which used to be considered as subsidiaries of Philles, all of which are produced by Phil Spector?
    I was afraid somebody might ask that, 144man! HaHa! The truth is, the majority of music on those subsidiary labels was so substandard, they mean nothing to me, although I do have some of them in my 45 collection -- just-to-have for the sake of having one each of those 45 labels (minus Annette). Phil spent so much time and loving care on each of the Philles recordings, it's hard to believe that he could release such 2nd-rate schlock on those subsidiary labels (Phil Spector Records, Annette (honoring his first wife), Shirley (honoring his sister), and Phi-Dan (honoring Danny Davis, who was Phil's promotions man). Maybe they provided Phil with a tax write-off? Who knows. Now that I've finished the Philles 45 Discography, let me concentrate on providing you with the Philles LP's Discography followed by the Unreleased Philles tracks. Then I'll see what I can do for you with the subsidiary labels. Sound good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    I was afraid somebody might ask that, 144man! HaHa! The truth is, the majority of music on those subsidiary labels was so substandard, they mean nothing to me, although I do have some of them in my 45 collection -- just-to-have for the sake of having one each of those 45 labels (minus Annette). Phil spent so much time and loving care on each of the Philles recordings, it's hard to believe that he could release such 2nd-rate schlock on those subsidiary labels (Phil Spector Records, Annette (honoring his first wife), Shirley (honoring his sister), and Phi-Dan (honoring Danny Davis, who was Phil's promotions man). Maybe they provided Phil with a tax write-off? Who knows. Now that I've finished the Philles 45 Discography, let me concentrate on providing you with the Philles LP's Discography followed by the Unreleased Philles tracks. Then I'll see what I can do for you with the subsidiary labels. Sound good?
    Thanks. I'm glad you might come back to the subsidiaries as the Ronettes' story would be incomplete without the inclusion of Veronica's "Too Young" and "Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love [Gee The Moon Is Shining Bright]".

    I hadn't mentioned Phi-Dan as none of the tracks were produced by Phil Spector (though I am particularly fond of The Ikettes' "Down Down").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    I was afraid somebody might ask that, 144man! HaHa! The truth is, the majority of music on those subsidiary labels was so substandard, they mean nothing to me, although I do have some of them in my 45 collection -- just-to-have for the sake of having one each of those 45 labels (minus Annette). Phil spent so much time and loving care on each of the Philles recordings, it's hard to believe that he could release such 2nd-rate schlock on those subsidiary labels (Phil Spector Records, Annette (honoring his first wife), Shirley (honoring his sister), and Phi-Dan (honoring Danny Davis, who was Phil's promotions man). Maybe they provided Phil with a tax write-off? Who knows. Now that I've finished the Philles 45 Discography, let me concentrate on providing you with the Philles LP's Discography followed by the Unreleased Philles tracks. Then I'll see what I can do for you with the subsidiary labels. Sound good?
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    I wouldn't leave several Phil Spector and Phi-Dan issues off of a Philles biographical discography. Both Veronica 45s on Phil Spector records, and many cuts by various artists released on Phi-Dan were worthy of inclusion in The Philles canon, like "Why Can't They let us Fall In Love". Some of the Phi-Dan cuts are among my favourites.

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    Wow, Gary, you put a lot of time and effort into this. I had no idea there could still be any Ike & Tina tracks left in the can. Hopefully, we'll hear them someday.

    Good work! Especially showing who were the "real" artists on the singles...very interesting.

  32. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    Wow, Gary, you put a lot of time and effort into this. I had no idea there could still be any Ike & Tina tracks left in the can. Hopefully, we'll hear them someday.

    Good work! Especially showing who were the "real" artists on the singles...very interesting.
    Hey Kenny! Where have you been, Buddy? I've missed you the past week or so.

    Thanks for the compliments! You know me and Philles -- it's a labor of love which I enjoy sharing.

    I hate to disappoint you, but, to my knowledge, there are no Tina Turner Philles tracks in the can, although there are more tracks (Phil Spector productions) which I'll include in the upcoming Philles LP Discography very soon.

    Stay tuned (and don't be such a stranger)! Ha!

  33. #33
    Gary,

    Oh, sorry I misspoke. I was referring to this 45:

    PHILLES 134 (Released 10/1966)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "Two To Tango"
    (D. Manning & A. Hoffman)
    Producer: Bob Crewe
    Arranger: Herb Bernstein
    https://youtu.be/H3wqGtLqQoU
    b/w
    "A Man Is A Man Is A Man"
    (Pete Antell)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Bob Crewe
    Arranger: Herb Bernstein
    https://youtu.be/A-U7qP7No4Q

    So not left in the can, but a non-LP single. Produced by Bob Crewe, no less.

    Let's catch up later today. Things here are the same, the usual on again-off again scene I've been in all year. Actually, been busy because I finally bought a new car after renting for almost 2 months. Got a Ford Fusion and love it.

  34. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    Gary,

    Oh, sorry I misspoke. I was referring to this 45:

    PHILLES 134 (Released 10/1966)
    IKE & TINA TURNER:
    "Two To Tango"
    (D. Manning & A. Hoffman)
    Producer: Bob Crewe
    Arranger: Herb Bernstein
    https://youtu.be/H3wqGtLqQoU
    b/w
    "A Man Is A Man Is A Man"
    (Pete Antell)
    Lead Vocal: Tina Turner
    Producer: Bob Crewe
    Arranger: Herb Bernstein
    https://youtu.be/A-U7qP7No4Q

    So not left in the can, but a non-LP single. Produced by Bob Crewe, no less.

    Let's catch up later today. Things here are the same, the usual on again-off again scene I've been in all year. Actually, been busy because I finally bought a new car after renting for almost 2 months. Got a Ford Fusion and love it.
    Kenny, the Bob Crewe-produced single was the result of Phil having given up. He had already lost interest in his girl groups (due to their poor showing on the charts during 1964) as well as the devastating failure of Tina's "River Deep". If you'll notice, for the last Ronettes' single (Philles 133, "I Can Hear Music"), Phil handed the production reigns over to Jeff Barry, having pretty much washed his hands of Philles. The only reason he released another Ronettes record at all was to satisfy Ronnie's urging to get back in the studio, which she so loved. As far as how and why Bob Crewe came into the picture, I don't know. I don't recall ever reading anything about that. If I did, I've forgotten. The record is far from a glorious Phil Spector production. If I had my druthers, however, I would have made "A Man Is A Man Is A Man" the A-side.

    Sorry to hear that nothing has improved on the home front. Congrats on the new car, though! My aunt's been driving a Fusion and she loves it! Yep, let's talk soon!

  35. #35
    As great as phil was,i best memory is him playing on-the drifters[on broadway].

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    Quote Originally Posted by arr&bee View Post
    As great as phil was,i best memory is him playing on-the drifters[on broadway].
    He sure did, arr&bee. He played guitar on it. That's him wailing in the instrumental break. On the way to The Drifter's recording session, Leiber & Stoller bumped into Phil on the street and invited him to sit in on the "On Broadway" session. Phil agreed, and the rest is history. If not for that chance meeting, that guitar would have been played by somebody else, or possibly not at all.

    Phil originally produced "On Broadway" for The Crystals, but he wasn't satisfied with it enough for single release, so it was saved as an LP track for their "Twistin' Uptown" and "He's A Rebel" albums.

    THE CRYSTALS:
    "On Broadway"
    https://youtu.be/gkpeUDbVAlE

    THE DRIFTERS:
    "On Broadway"
    https://youtu.be/yPYRtjxYEH8

  37. #37
    Gary , I'm finding your list here with the YouTube links to be a great and handy way to review these Philles recordings , most of them unfamiliar to me. It's fun to be able to bring them up to listen to so quickly.

    Right now, I keep replaying TUMBLE AND FALL because of the intriguing Shindig storyline you told about it. I want to say i think it would've been a smash , because I'm really enjoying it , but I'm not sure . ( Does the opening almost sound like an off sync loop? the drumming particularly) I like the record , I hear a hit, but maybe not a smash. Too bad we'll never know !!
    I'm surprised and pleased to see certain names in the credits. Names like Bob Crewe, whose Philles contribution I see doesn't impress you much. I'm listening to TWO TO TANGO and I can see why you feel it doesn't properly represent . That ending though ! ....worth the wait!
    And Gene Page ,early in his career, I wonder how he and Phil got along....any stories?
    Also I see the name Jack Nitzsche appearing more than once. Is he like Phil's Charlie Kipps??

    OK , I don't want to over load this ! I'll likely have more comments though as I continue to listen if that's ok!

    Looking forward to the continuation of this Philles breakdown Gary !
    Last edited by Boogiedown; 08-12-2019 at 03:24 AM.

  38. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Boogiedown View Post
    Gary , I'm finding your list here with the YouTube links to be a great way to review these Philles recordings , most of them unfamiliar to me.

    Right now, I keep replaying TUMBLE AND FALL because of the intriguing Shindig storyline you told about it. I want to say i think it would've been a smash , because I'm really enjoying it , but I'm not sure . ( Does the opening almost sound like an off sync loop? the drumming particularly) I like the record , I hear a hit, but maybe not a smash. Too bad we'll never know !!
    I'm surprised and pleased to see certain names in the credits. Names like Bob Crewe, whose Philles contribution I see doesn't impress you much. I'm listening to TWO TO TANGO and I can see why you feel it doesn't properly represent . That ending though ! ....worth the wait!
    And Gene Page ,early in his career, I wonder how he and Phil got along....any stories?
    Also I see the name Jack Nitzsche appearing more than once. Is he like Phil's Charlie Kipps??

    OK , I don't want to over load this ! I'll likely have more comments though as I continue to listen if that's ok!

    Looking forward to the remainder of this Philles breakdown Gary !
    Thanks, Boogie! I'm thrilled that you like Darlene's "Stumble And Fall"! I've been in love with that track from the first time I heard it on one of the two Rare Masters albums that Phil FINALLY released in Fall 1976. It is considered one of the rarest of all the Philles releases. (You wouldn't believe how much my NM yellow/red Promo copy cost me!)

    Is the intro an off-sync loop, you wonder? If we're talking about the same process, the answer is no, this was 1964 before computerized recording was ever heard of. Besides, Phil cut everything live in the studio with the Wrecking Crew. If you're referring to his overdubbing resulting in it being out of sync, however, I don't know. The intro sounds normal to me with those magnificent baritone saxes paving the way!

    Jack Nitzsche was Phil's music arranger at nearly every one of Phil's Gold Star recording sessions starting with Philles 107. Jack would write out the instrumentation for each instrument. Changes would often be made on the spot during a recording session, and Jack would be the one to write the changes for the instruments affected. In the early days of Philles, Phil wrote out his own arrangements, but he would rather let Jack do it, thus freeing up Phil to handle other things during the recording sessions. It worked out great because Phil and Jack were of one mind musically. Jack knew exactly what Phil wanted on each track, and he knew exactly how to arrange the songs to meet Phil's and Philles strict criteria.

    Gene Page was rarely, if ever, mentioned in the many Spector books, so, no, I doubt if there was ever any friction between the two. In fact, Phil liked and highly respected his recording session crew, and they respected him as well. There was never an issue as to Phil being in charge, and I'm sure that Gene, the professional that he was, respected that. As I glance through quickly, I see only a couple of Righteous Brothers' sessions that Gene Page sat in on. I think there was a reason given why Jack couldn't make those two sessions, but I forget exactly why. If memory serves, Jack had started producing movie soundtracks at the time, and his schedule conflicted with Phil's Gold Star session, but the conflict was only temporary and Jack returned, as normal.

    Sure, John, I welcome your comments! Feel free to express them whenever you feel inspired. I look forward to it, Buddy!

  39. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    Thanks. I'm glad you might come back to the subsidiaries as the Ronettes' story would be incomplete without the inclusion of Veronica's "Too Young" and "Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love [Gee The Moon Is Shining Bright]".

    I hadn't mentioned Phi-Dan as none of the tracks were produced by Phil Spector (though I am particularly fond of The Ikettes' "Down Down").
    Oh, don't worry about that, 144man. I love those 2 tracks! "So Young" will be included in the "Presenting The Fabulous Ronettes" LP segment of the "Complete Philles LP Discography" coming up next, and The Ronettes "Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love" will be included in the "Unreleased Philles Masters" following soon after. (Rest assured, I would NEVER omit anything Phil Spector-related by The Crystals, The Ronettes, nor Darlene Love. They're the reason Phil made me love Philles!

  40. #40
    Does anyone know why "Lord If You're a Woman" has only ever been on CD in an underdub version, sans backing vocals?

  41. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    Does anyone know why "Lord If You're a Woman" has only ever been on CD in an underdub version, sans backing vocals?
    I've wondered the same thing, smallworld. That stripped down version is not only lacking the back-up vocals, it's void of the strings, too! I much prefer Phil's complete version with back-up vocals and strings. To satisfy that need, I dubbed the complete 12" Single version to CD. It sounds like it's from the master tape! Since it was never released in the U.S. (available only as an import), I'll include it with Part C - "The Philles Unreleased Masters" (with a special note that it was post-Philles Phil Spector International Records).

  42. #42
    Did anyone here ever play the Crystals and Ronettes instrumental B-sides more than a couple of times? I know I didn't.

  43. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    Did anyone here ever play the Crystals and Ronettes instrumental B-sides more than a couple of times? I know I didn't.
    I never had any of the 45s, but I read somewhere that Spector would always put these throwaway instrumentals on the B-sides to make sure no one flipped the record over, so that the A-side was the only one that would be played on the radio.

    Someone else mentioned the song "Stumble and Fall" by Darlene Love. I love that song! I too heard it first on the "Rare Masters" albums which were quite a revelation when I bought them, kind of like the Motown "From the Vaults" and "Motown Superstars sing Motown Superstars" which I think were the first time Motown had ever released whole albums of previously unreleased material by a variety of artists.

    When I was young, I never had any conception that a record company would have anything at all on an artist that never got released. I had always thought an album was always designed as a cohesive whole from start to finish. So to learn stuff existed that I'd never heard was astounding to me. Who would have ever thought that Motown or any studio would have such riches buried away for so long?

    Actually, this made me want to ask a question I've always pondered. Based on the old Billboard charts, music critics and reviewers would usually comment that when a record was flipped by a DJ such that the flip became the "A" side, it would depress chart action of the record overall. So, for example, when "Locking Up My Heart" was flipped in favor of the B-side "Forever," neither side charted well, "Locking" cannibalized the chart position of "Forever," and vice versa.

    Why is that? I mean, whether someone buys a record because of the A-side or the B-side, the record still sells another copy. Can any of you who might know more about the industry explain it to me? And, in a related question, how does a reporting record store know which side of the record someone was buying? Obviously, a reporting radio station would know which side they were playing, but sales would seem to be oblivious to the A-side vs B-side preference on behalf of the buyer.
    Last edited by kenneth; 08-13-2019 at 07:34 PM.

  44. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    Did anyone here ever play the Crystals and Ronettes instrumental B-sides more than a couple of times? I know I didn't.
    Probably not, 144man! That's was why Phil purposely put those little instrumental ditties on the B-sides of his Philles singles -- to prevent radio DJ's from flipping the record over and competing with his intended A-side. As kids, it makes you wonder how many of us actually thought it was The Crystals or The Ronettes with a guitar slung over their shoulder playing those instrumentals! Ha! Ya know, there a few of them that I actually like:

    Philles 109 - The Crystal's- "Walkin' Along (La-La-La)" I love Darlene Love & The Blossoms' "ooh-ah-oohs".
    and
    Philles 116 - The Ronettes - "Tedesco And Pitman" which is cool jazz.
    and
    Philles 119 - Darlene Love - "Harry & Milt Meet Hal B" which is pure blues.

  45. #45
    And look, the B-sides finally got respectable and have their own album! (Unfortunately, a download only.)

    https://www.amazon.com/Phils-Flipsid...gateway&sr=8-1

  46. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    I never had any of the 45s, but I read somewhere that Spector would always put these throwaway instrumentals on the B-sides to make sure no one flipped the record over, so that the A-side was the only one that would be played on the radio.

    Someone else mentioned the song "Stumble and Fall" by Darlene Love. I love that song! I too heard it first on the "Rare Masters" albums which were quite a revelation when I bought them, kind of like the Motown "From the Vaults" and "Motown Superstars sing Motown Superstars" which I think were the first time Motown had ever released whole albums of previously unreleased material by a variety of artists.

    When I was young, I never had any conception that a record company would have anything at all on an artist that never got released. I had always thought an album was always designed as a cohesive whole from start to finish. So to learn stuff existed that I'd never heard was astounding to me. Who would have ever thought that Motown or any studio would have such riches buried away for so long?

    Actually, this made me want to ask a question I've always pondered. Based on the old Billboard charts, music critics and reviewers would usually comment that when a record was flipped by a DJ such that the flip became the "A" side, it would depress chart action of the record overall. So, for example, when "Locking Up My Heart" was flipped in favor of the B-side "Forever," neither side charted well, "Locking" cannibalized the chart position of "Forever," and vice versa.

    Why is that? I mean, whether someone buys a record because of the A-side or the B-side, the record still sells another copy. Can any of you who might know more about the industry explain it to me? And, in a related question, how does a reporting record store know which side of the record someone was buying? Obviously, a reporting radio station would know which side they were playing, but sales would seem to be oblivious to the A-side vs B-side preference on behalf of the buyer.
    You heard right, Kenny. Phil purposely put those meaningless little doo-dads on the B-side to force the radio DJs' attention on the A-side only. The B-sides always credited Phil as producer, but sometimes, after an all-day session at Gold Star, and on his way out the door, Phil would instruct Hal Blaine and a couple other Wrecking Crew members to throw together a quick little 2:00-minute B-side which they'd compose on the spot and nail in one take! Those guys were professionals. Like Motown's Funk Brothers, all they had to do was look at each other and KNOW exactly what they were gonna play!

    "Stumble And Fall" Yes! One of my very, very favorite Philles singles! And also one of the rarest and most expensive of the Philles lot! I cherish my NM yellow/red PR Promo copy. I, too, heard it first in those two magnificent "Rare Masters" albums that Phil finally released in that glorious Fall of 1976! I felt like a kid at Christmas! 36 previously-unreleased Philles tracks all at one time seemed almost too good to be true! And they were all thrilling, to boot! But it wasn't too good to be true -- it was for real! I think it's safe to say that Phil Spector knocked the socks off of all of us with those two stunning LPs!

    Kenny, I never understood that, either. It seems to me that, if a radio station plays both sides of a record, it would double the sales potential, but they say that's not how it works, so.... Go figure!

  47. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
    And look, the B-sides finally got respectable and have their own album! (Unfortunately, a download only.)

    https://www.amazon.com/Phils-Flipsid...gateway&sr=8-1
    Oh, that "Phil's Flip-Sides" collection was released as a CD, too, as part of the Philles Albums box set a few years back. Unfortunately, this particular disc was a disappointment as some B-sides were left out, just as several Philles albums were left out of the box set. It was a golden opportunity horribly lost.

  48. #48
    @Gary, if you send me a photo of your "Stumble and Fall," I'd love to see it and will post it here. What a find!

  49. #49
    Okay. Thanks Kenny! Give me a few minutes!

  50. #50
    HI Gary! Still sifting through these 45s one by one as time allows! With my morning coffee this morning I'm getting a jolt listening to CHOPSTICKS ! Which is the "b" side to a lively MALAGUENA which got several disco remakes( for some reason) but its a tune that is so bland to me , each time I come across it I have a hard time recognizing it .


    O well, I digress . Don't know who Ali Hassan is/was but he's helping me wake up this morning !

    I didn't realize the Philles roster was as broad as it was.

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