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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Boogiedown View Post
    Ha Ha The Fantastic VANtastics! Good song !Were you wondering if I'd notice a certain Spector sound to it?



    I'm noticing it was produced by Abner Spector? Anything to it?

    I've always liked LET ME DOWN EASY. I'll admit I'm not as in tune to who is singing back up on these as you are Gary, but i wouldn't be surprised if Van is using his own voice.

    OK Gary, perhaps even more mysterious than Charles Kipps , is another reoccurring name found in McCoy's credits , Joe Cobbs.
    Got anything on him ??
    Hey Boogie! Actually, I meant to mention the Spector-esque quality of The Fantastic Vantastics, but forgot. Later, when I realized my omission, I decided, "No problem. Boogie'll catch it." And I was right! You didn't disappoint! (But The "Fantastic Vantastics"! Is that campy or what! Ha!)

    Ya know, John, I hadn't even noticed the "Abner Spector" producer credits. The print is so damned tiny, I just assumed it was produced by Van since he wrote it and sang on it. But you're right. Whoever Abner Spector is, is beyond me, but I'm pretty sure it's Van doing a clever play-on-words to accompany his obvious tribute to Phil's Wall Of Sound which, I've gotta say, Van reproduced beautifully!

    I, too, have always loved "Let Me Down Easy". Once again, our musical tastes match to a tee!

    Boy, mysterious is right, Buddy! Joe Cobb co-wrote tracks with Van on several early 1970's Brenda & The Tabulations tracks on the Top And Bottom label, co-produced by Van and Gilda Woods whom I know nothing about. I Googled Joe on Wiki just now and found nothing more than what I just reported here. I'm thinking he worked with Van in Van's other early-'70s productions like the group Censation and maybe even Brenda & The Tabulations' 1973 Epic label productions (of which I posted sample listening threads for you in a few posts back). I'll look it up later. I'm so tired now, my eyes are burning and I'm running on fumes! If I should forget to do it tomorrow, John just remind me.

  2. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    She recorded some great stuff at Atco in the late 60's/early 70's, and some of her 90's output is really good where she she recorded a decent version of "back for more" with Bobby Womack. There are a few good compilations knocking about which for the most part avoid the dross with which she is best known for. I shall dig a little deeper for you when i get more time.
    Thanks, Bluebrock. I appreciate it, and I'll be looking forward to hearing what you come up with!

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    She recorded some great stuff at Atco in the late 60's/early 70's, and some of her 90's output is really good where she she recorded a decent version of "back for more" with Bobby Womack. There are a few good compilations knocking about which for the most part avoid the dross with which she is best known for. I shall dig a little deeper for you when i get more time.
    I may have suggested this before, but someone should entreat the Soul Music Records crew to put together a compilation of Lulu's Dome Records output. There have been several compilations already but there are some rarities that would make a new compilation worthwhile (e.g. the Platinum mix of "This Time Baby"). There are also a number of (as yet) vinyl only dub mixes, which would entice DJs if they were included on a new CD set. I believe there are also some demos done with Tony Swain that might be worthy of release.

    Someone uploaded the mix below in terrible quality (it must be a 32kbps mp3) but I nevertheless prefer it to the main mix, especially for Eugene Wilde's vocals at around 1:40, which are different to what was used for the single/album version. I'd love to see this mix finally released in CD quality.

    Administrator's Groove Mix [Perhaps the remixers, Dwayne Burke and William flowers, still have a master copy]


    Nick Martinelli Main Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJhBBa17CmM

  4. #54
    I think Drizabone improved on the album version with this solid remix.



    Album version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ybRbEZuQGw

  5. #55
    Back on topic: Here's a favourite that was left to languish on an album when it was better than some of Maxine Brown's single releases.

    "Wonder What My Baby's Doing Tonight"

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    Wow, smallworld! What a great cover version! It will never replace the Champaign original, nor was it meant to. Nice job by Lulu! I love it!!! Is this Nick Martinelli mix available on CD? I checked out Amazon and eBay and found absolutely nothing.

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by splanky View Post
    It's incredible how much music Van was responsible for considering he passed so young. I
    been digging into his early work with girls, both groups and out front singers. So many great voices and records that never recieved the acclaim they deserved. Became a Kenni
    Woods fan today...Phillies, you have a staggering knowledge of a lot of this material
    Well, Splanky, since you're researching Van's girl groups and female leads, let me help steer you in the right direction with some of my favorites.

    The following tracks are by THE SWEET THINGS (Date Records) with lead vocals by Francine Barker who, in 1967, became the first Peaches of Peaches & Herb (also Date Records), and then went solo in 1968 (Columbia) -- all produced by Van McCoy.

    THE SWEET THINGS:
    1) "You're My Lovin' Baby" (1966)
    https://youtu.be/jyhRdzkyQlg

    45 Picture Sleeve (Francine in the Center)
    http://www.45cat.com/record/21504

    2) "I'm In A World Of Trouble" (1966)
    https://youtu.be/5dPX40T_pWc

    3) "Baby's Blue" (1966)
    https://youtu.be/dTcCiwfQ5U0

    4) "Don't Come Looking For Me" (1966)
    https://youtu.be/xX_s28l-Txw

    5) "Love You Eternally" (Lead Vocal???)
    https://youtu.be/vlAiKGDtN3E

    PEACHES & HERB (1967)
    "Let's Fall In Love"
    https://youtu.be/lIW7e5H6kIo

    "Embraceable You" (1967) (Peaches Solo)
    https://youtu.be/3j15CpnHrYE

    FRANCINE BARKER:
    "Don't You Know Love When You See It" (1968)
    https://youtu.be/FnQe1oFpXN8

    "MR. DJ" (1968)
    https://youtu.be/vibNPQkUTJs

    VAN McCOY:
    "Mr. DJ" (Demo)
    https://youtu.be/rBIkzTbTkUA

    There you are, Splanky. That should help to get you started!

  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    Is this Nick Martinelli mix available on CD? I checked out Amazon and eBay and found absolutely nothing.
    Nick Martinelli produced the original track for Lulu. It can be found on the Independence album and most compilations that feature Lulu's version of the song. It runs 4:52. (It was edited to a little over 4 minutes for single release, but the mix is the same.)

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Bout-Us/dp/B00ND5VZBC/

    If you like that softer side of Lulu, you might enjoy "Hurt Me So Bad". I think the Damien Mendis Radio Edit is the keeper. Unfortunately, I don't think it's available on digital platforms.

    Damien Mendis Radio Edit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqqJLkE6tnE

    The more popular mix was done by the Almighty remix crew:

    Almighty Radio Edit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i486X6Ilg74

    I believe the following mix was also well received in the clubs:

    Club 69 Tribal Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr8W_oH-OzU

    Lulu's most successful song from the late 1990s is "Where the Poor Boys Dance". It was also given the remix treatment by Almighty but in a more pop-rock/Adult Contemporary vein.

    Almighty Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq59mQ6YrMw
    Last edited by smallworld; 07-20-2019 at 07:26 PM.

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    Nick Martinelli produced the original track for Lulu. It can be found on the Independence album and most compilations that feature Lulu's version of the song. It runs 4:52. (It was edited to a little over 4 minutes for single release, but the mix is the same.)

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Bout-Us/dp/B00ND5VZBC/

    If you like that softer side of Lulu, you might enjoy "Hurt Me So Bad". I think the Damien Mendis Radio Edit is the keeper. Unfortunately, I don't think it's available on digital platforms.

    Damien Mendis Radio Edit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqqJLkE6tnE

    The more popular mix was done by the Almighty remix crew:

    Almighty Radio Edit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i486X6Ilg74

    I believe the following mix was also well received in the clubs:

    Club 69 Tribal Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr8W_oH-OzU

    Lulu's most successful song from the late 1990s is "Where the Poor Boys Dance". It was also given the remix treatment by Almighty but in a more pop-rock/Adult Contemporary vein.

    Almighty Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq59mQ6YrMw
    Hey, thank you so much, small world! I ordered Lulu's "Independence" CD with the Nick Martinelli mix of "How About Us". Got it from Amazon for $15. I wish I had seen your link for only $5. No sweat, though. My copy will be here Tuesday! Can't wait!!!

  10. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Philles/Motown Gary View Post
    Hey, thank you so much, small world! I ordered Lulu's "Independence" CD with the Nick Martinelli mix of "How About Us". Got it from Amazon for $15. I wish I had seen your link for only $5. No sweat, though. My copy will be here Tuesday! Can't wait!!!
    Some good tunes on that album. Enjoy.

  11. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    I may have suggested this before, but someone should entreat the Soul Music Records crew to put together a compilation of Lulu's Dome Records output. There have been several compilations already but there are some rarities that would make a new compilation worthwhile (e.g. the Platinum mix of "This Time Baby"). There are also a number of (as yet) vinyl only dub mixes, which would entice DJs if they were included on a new CD set. I believe there are also some demos done with Tony Swain that might be worthy of release.

    Someone uploaded the mix below in terrible quality (it must be a 32kbps mp3) but I nevertheless prefer it to the main mix, especially for Eugene Wilde's vocals at around 1:40, which are different to what was used for the single/album version. I'd love to see this mix finally released in CD quality.

    Administrator's Groove Mix [Perhaps the remixers, Dwayne Burke and William flowers, still have a master copy]


    Nick Martinelli Main Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJhBBa17CmM
    Great idea! I do already have a couple of compilations, but none are definitive by any means.

  12. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    Some good tunes on that album. Enjoy.
    Thanks, Bluebrock! I'm sure I will!

  13. #63
    Thanks for that...I never knew anything about the original "Peaches", Francine...

  14. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by splanky View Post
    Thanks for that...I never knew anything about the original "Peaches", Francine...
    You're welcome, splank. I've always loved Francine's voice. Unfortunately, other than her first two albums with Peaches & Herb, she never won the acclaim that they were grooming her for. The Sweet Things never made it big, and Francine's solo career never got off the ground. While preparing those Sweet Things links for you yesterday, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that Francine had one more Columbia single which I never knew about. It wasn't a Van McCoy record, but it was a really nice effort. And it MAY have been the original version of what later became a hit for Dennis Yost & The Classics 4:

    FRANCINE BARKER:

    "Traces"
    https://youtu.be/yNPPcaAoeEg

    b/w

    "Angel's In The Sky"
    https://youtu.be/FDMLyOKYTF8

    Pity. A really pretty record, both sides tanked, as did her others. If I had heard "Angels In The Sky" on the radio, I would have run right out and bought it!

  15. #65
    Thinking back on some of the exciting Van McCoy conversations we've shared recently, I was reminded of a newly-acquired Van McCoy production which showed up unexpectedly, of all places, on the 6-disc CD box set, "Stax Singles (Vol. 4): Rarities & The Best Of The Rest." The track, "Let Love Fill Your Heart" by the female artist Ilana, was produced by Van McCoy and Joe Cobb, released on Volt 4064B in August 1971.

    As always, Van's production is top-notch, and the song is just as pretty as can be, leaving the listener to wonder why this record was relegated to B-side status.

    ILANA - "Let Love Fill Your Heart"
    https://youtu.be/xGFj5NHmZ7U

  16. #66
    wow Gary . Never in a hundred years would I have pegged this a Stax release!


  17. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Boogiedown View Post
    wow Gary . Never in a hundred years would I have pegged this a Stax release!

    I know, John! Crazy, ain't it! But what a beautiful recording! As always, no matter where or on what label, Van was at his best!

  18. #68
    OK. How about Van doing some Motown:



    sultry clarinet (?) with harmonica .

  19. #69
    Ya know, Boogie, the neat thing about Van McCoy's music is that, not only are his own compositions sweet and soulful, his cover versions are just as impressive as the original versions. This is a classic example:

    VAN McCOY - "Fire"
    https://youtu.be/XHAs17CztY8

    My favorite of Van's remakes is "Doctor's Orders" which you already diligently posted a few pages back. 😎 Mighty good stuff!

  20. #70
    Gary ... let's not forget this Van McCoy Motown cover:



    boogie down, baby!!

  21. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Boogiedown View Post
    Gary ... let's not forget this Van McCoy Motown cover:



    boogie down, baby!!
    You're so right, John! Van did right by that one! (Hey, "Boogie Down" should be your theme song, "BOOGIE"!) Ha!!! And, speaking of Motown, we can't forget Van's version of "Touch Me In The Morning".
    https://youtu.be/mJEstaLoGyM

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