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  1. #251
    From the 80s. Many compared this to the Supremes "Back in My Arms Again"


  2. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by cleoharvey View Post
    1-2-3 by Len Barry
    That song was so Motowny, that Motown sued the writers!

  3. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by jboy88 View Post
    That song [1-2-3] was so Motowny, that Motown sued the writers!
    According to Wikipedia, there was a settlement. H-D-H got 15% of the writing and publishing royalties and were listed as co-authors by BMI. The copied Motown song in question was the Supremesí ďAsk Any Girl."

  4. #254

  5. #255
    Anything by Huey Lewis and The News.

  6. #256
    Like D'ANGELO's cover of Smokey's, "Cruisin'".

  7. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by robb_k View Post
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    Probably the most Motowny of them all:
    That's a great song. Sounds part Supremes, part Mary Wells. The drum beat reminds me a bit of Come See About Me. Interesting that its from 1964.

  8. #258
    James Brown meets Motown and Jr. Walker and the All Stars. One of my FAVORITE James Brown records from '67.


  9. #259
    Heart & Soul - Dusty Springfield & Cilla Black duet
    Snow - Tina Roberts

  10. #260
    I find it a little strange that songs published by Jobete are included in this thread.

  11. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    I find it a little strange that songs published by Jobete are included in this thread.
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    That's because the record sessions were held in outside [[non-Motown) studios, and the producers were NOT working for Motown on those projects, and the artists were not signed to Motown for those projects. They were not Motown productions, so they could [[potentially) sound a lot different.

  12. #262
    Two hearts - phil collins

  13. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by robb_k View Post
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    That's because the record sessions were held in outside [[non-Motown) studios, and the producers were NOT working for Motown on those projects, and the artists were not signed to Motown for those projects. They were not Motown productions, so they could [[potentially) sound a lot different.
    But if the non-Motown producers were copying Motown demos, they would have had a head -start. The Jobete non-Motown projects probably deserve a thread of their own.

  14. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by marybrewster View Post
    Two hearts - phil collins
    Good call, courtesy of Lamont Dozier

  15. #265
    Don't know if anyone mentioned Billy Ocean's, Love Really Hurts Without You. He himself mentioned his influence of I Can't Help Myself. Then also another one he did after this was Red Light Spells Danger. Great songs with Motown all over them. Somebody's always suing somebody over a zillion songs that sound alike. Like the George Harrison fiasco with He's So Fine. George stated his influence for My Sweet Lord came from Oh Happy Day. That suit took years and then George wound up owning the rights to He's So Fine. What an obnoxious business. Everybody copies everybody as long as there are lawyers.

  16. #266
    Make me yours, downtown.

  17. #267
    I say nowhere to run, run run run or itching in my heart. Vein is standard doop boop wait!! 2-3-4 scoopity oops if I was directing a singer with no rhythm the phrasing

  18. #268

    Right on

    Even has the 8 bars of Sugar Pie Honey Bunch

  19. #269
    Hazel Joy berry2nd and Terry jobete acronym for publishing. God writes all Melody. "He" [[the supremes Gospel) "alone decides who writes a Sym-pho-ny" at the bank however the royalties are portioned. Lol. Parables speaking. The Motown recipe was one ingredient: passion and that you can not teach or take the credit for. Magic was either there or poof?! Not a factor. Motown release vote meetings how so many lacking in the magic made it to the shelf for sale. When the hunter is captured by the game. Only at hitsville could it be a hit

  20. #270
    And BTW I am aBreathtakingGUY not a breathing Guy username faux pas. Lol. Copying the Motown hit formula would be like roping the wind and corraling Pegasus neither probability is a possibility. smokeyShakespeareRobinson said it best: Detroit we had a berry Gordy. Period

  21. #271
    ^^^However, other Detroit labels did have moonlighting Motown musicians.

  22. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    ^^^However, other Detroit labels did have moonlighting Motown musicians.
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    And producers and arrangers and moonlighting or ex-Motown songwriters, too.

  23. #273
    ^^^True, but I couldn't alliterate them!

  24. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    But if the non-Motown producers were copying Motown demos, they would have had a head -start. The Jobete non-Motown projects probably deserve a thread of their own.
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    We had two extremely long threads on them - one for the L.A. Office, and one for the New York office, where we covered just about all the known non-Motown Jobete song recordings, which were from before we lost many threads to Lowell's website format changing in 2004. They each had hundreds of record label scans. We re-posted some of them on 2 threads that, I believe, still exist[[I hope). But, it's a shame, so many of the old, classic threads were lost, and now many of their contributors are deceased.

  25. #275
    ^^^ i would love to trawl through the SDF archives, but I'm not sure that the site is secure from bugs.

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    Here's one produced by Sidney Barnes, under the alias, M. Alexander, just after Sidney and the whole New York Motown/Jobete Music Office was shut down by Berry Gordy, and everyone in it was fired.

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    George Clinton wrote this together with Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier for Motown, but they never used. So Clinton gave it to Gene Redd at Ed Wingate's Golden World, after Berry fired him, Redd, and everyone else at Jobete Music's New York Office.

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    Here's Detroiter Shirley Lawson:

  29. #279
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    Detroit's Martiniques sound like they're singing a 1959 or 1960 Miracles' song:


    The sax even sounds like it's been played by Dr. Beans Bowles!

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    I always thought that Chicago producer, Richard Parker, learned how to make Detroit-style Soul records while working in Detroit, for Ed Wingate's Golden World/Ric-Tic Records. This one has a mixed Chicago-Detroit style somewhat reminiscent of Motown:
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    This was ex-Motowner, ex-husband of Mary Wells, Herman Griffin producing his new ladyfriend's group:
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    Here's another Richard Parker production, and another Mary Love song:
    Last edited by robb_k; 04-18-2021 at 02:43 PM.

  33. #283
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    Here's another J.J. Barnes produced by ex-Motowner, Don Davis:

  34. #284
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    This sounds like a late 1962 or early 1963 Motown cut. Probably several Motown musicians playing on it, and I've heard that songwriter, Dorothy Pierce, was an alias for Holland, Dozier, and Holland, because Dorothy Pierce was the name of Brian Holland's mother-in-law:
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    Here's one from Detroit drummer/producer, Melvin Davis, who also worked on many Motown sessions:
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  36. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by robb_k View Post
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    George Clinton wrote this together with Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier for Motown, but they never used. So Clinton gave it to Gene Redd at Ed Wingate's Golden World, after Berry fired him, Redd, and everyone else at Jobete Music's New York Office.
    This is one I actually have myself. I always assumed that HDH weren't involved in writing the song, but were credited for copyright reasons.

  37. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    This is one I actually have myself. I always assumed that HDH weren't involved in writing the song, but were credited for copyright reasons.
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    Clinton and his crew wrote many songs for Jobete Music while working in Motown's New York office [[most in New York, but, a few while in Detroit). Why would only THIS particular song need Holland's and Dozier's name on pt for Motown's copyright protection? That makes no sense. If that were true, why weren't their names on Jobete songs: "You Don't Say Nothing", "If You Can Stand Me", "I Misjudged You", and others??? All members of The Parliaments commented on their time staying in Detroit, and working at Motown's offices there, as well as regular Detroit-based Motown staff and artists mentioning The Parliaments being there for a while. I rather think that George collaborated with Brian and Lamont on this song, while George was in Detroit.
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  38. #288
    But the difference is that there are parts of melodies and lyrics from existing songs.

  39. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by robb_k View Post
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    Here's Detroit's Gwen Owens:
    I played on that, not Jamerson LOL
    Last edited by StuBass1; 04-18-2021 at 04:28 PM.

  40. #290
    This could have been a Four Tops release... Penned by Popcorn Wiley, Tony Hester, and legendary Luther Dixon... Detroit/Motown connections could explain it... https://youtu.be/KO0Zba2Y5Uw

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    The instrumental on that Gwen Owens song is quite good, and something of which to be proud.
    Last edited by robb_k; 04-19-2021 at 08:14 PM.

  42. #292
    My Man, A Sweet Man by Millie Jackson. Sounds like the Funk Bros on this one

  43. #293
    If it hasn't been mentioned, "Talk It Over" by Grayson Hugh is pure Motown.

  44. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    But the difference is that there are parts of melodies and lyrics from existing songs.
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    Which original songs have pieces copied in Roy Handy's song? And were ALL of those songs written by only one Holland brother, and Lamont Dozier? Otherwise Holland-Dozier-Holland should ALL be listed along with Clinton.
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  45. #295
    ^^^ Though "Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide" is included in the lyrics, I can hear musical phrases borrowed from "I Can't Help Myself" in the backing.

  46. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by 144man View Post
    ^^^ Though "Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide" is included in the lyrics, I can hear musical phrases borrowed from "I Can't Help Myself" in the backing.
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    So, if THAT is the reason Holland and Dozier are included, then why aren't there BOTH Hollands?

  47. #297
    ^^^Like I said, it was just an assumption.

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    Here's yet another J.J. Barnes cut that sounds like Motown - and why not? It was written and arranged by Motown's band leader of that exact time, Joe Hunter, and all the musicians on it had played for Motown at one time or another:


    I'm sure there are many more by J.J. that we forgot to add to this thread.

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