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  1. #1

    Who Needs an Unsung episode?

    First post but Long time lurker here.

    Who do you think needs an unsung episode?

    I have many candidates:

    There are some big names here but if The O'jays, Spinners, both lead singers of the Temptations and Otis Redding are Unsung then anyone could be

    Joe Simon
    Jr Walker & the All Stars
    War
    Joe Tex
    Mandrill
    Osibisa
    Main Ingredient
    Paul Kelly

    Meters
    Syl Johnson
    New Birth
    Booker T & the MGs
    Ann Peeples
    OV Wright
    Solomon Burke
    Slave
    Chairmen of the Board (or Invictus-Hot Wax as a whole, labels owned by HDH after they left Motown, acts include the Chairmen, Freda Payne, Honey Cone, Flaming Ember)
    Archie Bell and the Drells
    LaBelle/Patti Labelle
    Rufus/Chaka Khan
    Johnny "Guitar" Watson
    Average White Band
    Post Diana Supremes
    Post Smokey Miracles
    Post Motown Four Tops
    Willie Hutch
    Johnny Bristol
    The Trammps
    Tony! Tone! Toni!
    Curtis Mayfield
    Betty Wright
    Bettye Lavette
    Rufus Thomas
    Carla Thomas
    Irma Thomas
    Sam & Dave
    Candi Staton
    Clarence Carter

    If we're doing Unsung Hollywood:

    227
    Amen
    The Wiz
    Five Heartbeats/Robert Townsend
    Leon
    Good Times
    Frank's Place/Tim Reid
    Last edited by Optimal Saint; 09-19-2018 at 11:25 AM.

  2. #2
    Amen! I'd watch any of the many artists & actors that you listed on Unsung/Unsung Hollywood. If I may add a few to the list;

    Brenda Holloway
    Average White Band
    Kim Weston
    Mable John

    and on Unsung Hollywood;
    the making of Shaft
    the making of Superfly
    the making of The White Shadow.

  3. #3
    I vote for and would watch:
    Jr. Walker & the All-Stars
    Brenda Holloway
    Kim Weston
    Johnny Bristol
    Invictus/Hot Wax

    Booker T & the MGs
    Ann Peebles
    Sam & Dave
    Joe Simon
    Candi Staton
    Carla Thomas
    Irma Thomas
    Betty Wright
    The Trammps

    Can't believe some would be considered Unsung:
    Chaka Khan
    Patti Labelle
    Curtis Mayfield
    Post Diana Supremes

  4. #4
    Even seeing some of these names on a list makes me happy, just to know that other people enjoy their music as much as me.
    Last edited by TomatoTom123; 09-19-2018 at 07:43 PM.

  5. #5
    I really wanna see The Dramatics and Chi-lites episodes.... hard to catch these living in the UK

    Tony Toni Tone
    Undisputed Truth
    Leroy Hutson

  6. #6
    The UK group "The Real Thing" are releasing a documentary soon... that would be good to watch

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by alexstassi View Post
    The UK group "The Real Thing" are releasing a documentary soon... that would be good to watch
    Thats great. Do you know if it will be on tv or DVD?

    i know can you feel the force is their big hit but my fave song of theirs is raining through my sunshine

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by lucky2012 View Post

    Can't believe some would be considered Unsung:
    Chaka Khan
    Patti Labelle
    Curtis Mayfield
    Post Diana Supremes
    i think that curtis mayfield is arguably the biggest name on my list but if they can do an Isaac Hayes episode they can do Curtis

    i disagree on the post Diana supremes.

    If you were to talk to 100 random people and ask about the supremes how many would mention anything post Diana?

    2? 5?

    i think that they are absolutely unsung

    I'll also add William Bell, Eddie Floyd, graham central station, Gene Chandler and King Curtis

    Joe Simon and Jr. Walker are my two biggest wants

    I'll also add a controversial unsung Hollywood candidate:

    Stepin Fetchit

    i can't remember the name of it but a few years ago I saw a play about Stepin Fetchit and Muhammad Ali (Gordon from sesame street played fetchit)

    it was fascinating and afterwards I read a bit more on him.

    Definitely feel he's worthy on an unsung
    Last edited by Optimal Saint; 09-19-2018 at 10:00 PM.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimal Saint View Post
    i think that curtis mayfield is arguably the biggest name on my list but if they can do an Isaac Hayes episode they can do Curtis
    Absolutely right! Maybe one on the Impressions, while they're at it.
    i disagree on the post Diana supremes.

    If you were to talk to 100 random people and ask about the supremes how many would mention anything post Diana?
    I guess as time goes on the post Diana Supremes will be remembered less. Stoned Love was a big hit, but unfortunately, some think it's a Diana Ross lead vocal.

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    Sister Sledge
    The Jones Girls
    Mary Jane Girls
    Tony Toni Tone
    Incognito
    The Hawkins Family
    The Caravans
    Rahsaan Patterson
    High Inergy
    O'Bryan
    Perri

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimal Saint View Post
    Thats great. Do you know if it will be on tv or DVD?

    i know can you feel the force is their big hit but my fave song of theirs is raining through my sunshine
    Not sure... they posted a screenshot on instagram.
    Their biggest uk hit was You to me are everything... and raining through my sunshine is my favourite too...

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by glencro View Post
    Sister Sledge
    The Jones Girls
    Mary Jane Girls
    Tony Toni Tone
    Incognito
    The Hawkins Family
    The Caravans
    Rahsaan Patterson
    High Inergy
    O'Bryan
    Perri
    Definitely Perri and the Jones Girls. I would add Carl Carlton.

  13. #13
    Love all of your suggestions. Would like to add:
    Eddie Holman.
    The Velvelettes.
    Love Unlimited.
    Ronnie Walker.
    Jean Carne.
    Jackie Moore.
    Dee Dee Sharp.
    The Orlons.
    The Tymes.
    Dennis Edwards.
    The Dells (every person in the world needs to know their story).
    Post Teddy Blue Notes including solo David Ebo.

  14. #14
    My additions:
    Bloodstone
    Brenda and the Tabulations

  15. #15
    The Contours
    Major Lance
    Barbara Mason
    Sam & Dave
    Tyrone Davis
    Ben Vereen
    Irene Cara
    Carrie Lucas
    Dynasty
    S.O.S. Band
    The Deele
    Surface
    Gwen Guthrie
    Jermaine Stewart
    Glenn Jones
    Freestyle (Genre)

    And, under "since Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, James Brown, Eartha Kitt, Sammy Davis Jr. got an episode" clause:

    Jackie Wilson
    Sherman Hemsley
    Last edited by Ngroove; 09-22-2018 at 01:34 AM.

  16. #16
    I totally agree with any mention of two acts already mentioned on this thread:
    Brenda and the Tabulations and New Birth. I might be interested in a couple pages on some
    of the others but as far as Brenda and New Birth I want a book...Backtracking a sec,
    I'd add Jean Carne but as her story is still unfolding in this time, she and her ex Doug
    reconciled a couple of years ago, so I doubt Unsung would dare to write a tale still
    being told...

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Ngroove View Post
    The Contours
    Major Lance
    Barbara Mason
    Sam & Dave
    Tyrone Davis
    Ben Vereen
    Irene Cara
    Carrie Lucas
    Dynasty
    S.O.S. Band
    The Deele
    Surface
    Gwen Guthrie
    Jermaine Stewart
    Glenn Jones
    Freestyle (Genre)

    And, under "since Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, James Brown, Eartha Kitt, Sammy Davis Jr. got an episode" clause:

    Jackie Wilson
    Sherman Hemsley

    Did you get a chance to see the Unsung Hollywood episode on "The Jeffersons"?

  18. #18
    Mabel John
    Marv Johnson

  19. #19
    Forgot to add Ben E King and Bill Withers

    i don't know if it's unsung but I'd love a documentary on in living color (has Jim Carey ever talked about his time in the show?)

    like the idea of shaft and superfly if the wont do them separately maybe a 2 hour on blaxploitation as a whole? Maybe two 2 hours one of the films the other on the soundtracks

    theres a rocky marathon on now - I'd add Mr. T. A true mid 80s phenomenon. The man had his own breakfast cereal

    id also love to see one on Sam Cooke
    Last edited by Optimal Saint; 09-23-2018 at 12:16 AM.

  20. #20
    Hollywood Unsung candidates:

    Diana Sands
    Noble Johnson
    Madame Sul-te-Wan
    James Edwards
    Nina Mae McKinney
    Frank Silvera
    Rosalind Cash
    Calvin Lockhart
    Beah Richards
    D’Urville Martin

  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by sansradio View Post
    Hollywood Unsung candidates:

    Diana Sands
    Noble Johnson
    Madame Sul-te-Wan
    James Edwards
    Nina Mae McKinney
    Frank Silvera
    Rosalind Cash
    Calvin Lockhart
    Beah Richards
    D’Urville Martin

    That is a great list Sansradio.

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimal Saint View Post
    Thats great. Do you know if it will be on tv or DVD?

    i know can you feel the force is their big hit but my fave song of theirs is raining through my sunshine
    Their biggest UK hits were the no.1 "you to me are everything" and the no.2 "can't get by without you", but i also adore "raining through my sunshine" and other lesser hits like "you'll never know what your missing", "give me your love" and "whenever you want my love". Chris Amoo has a superb soulful voice, and i saw the group live only a few weeks back where he sounded as great as ever. Excellent group.

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by lockhartgary View Post
    Did you get a chance to see the Unsung Hollywood episode on "The Jeffersons"?
    Yes, but a refresher would be most nice to the public; that he was not just The Jeffersons / Amen, but everywhere, somewhere in just about every popular show between the seventies to nineties, myself with my golden memories of Family Matters, Sister, Sister, and Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air.

  24. #24
    Definitely Harold Melvin and the Blue notes! I’ve heard too many stories about Harold! The chill, laid back demeanor displayed on the recordings was the opposite of his true self.

    Also, Sam & Dave and Sanford & Son for the same reasons. So much tea!

  25. #25
    Yvonne Fair
    The 70's Supremes
    Lipps Inc
    Betty Wright

  26. #26
    I would love to see an episode on Judy Pace

  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by sansradio View Post
    Hollywood Unsung candidates:

    Diana Sands
    Noble Johnson
    Madame Sul-te-Wan
    James Edwards
    Nina Mae McKinney
    Frank Silvera
    Rosalind Cash
    Calvin Lockhart
    Beah Richards
    D’Urville Martin
    only name I recognize is Rosalind Cash

    need to google the rest

    also add Chi McBride, Keith David and Ving Rhames

  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    That is a great list Sansradio.
    Thank ya, sir.

  29. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by JimBagley View Post
    I would love to see an episode on Judy Pace
    Excellent choice! Her marriage to Curt Flood alone would make it must-see TV.

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimal Saint View Post
    only name I recognize is Rosalind Cash

    need to google the rest
    I guess that makes them great candidates, in that case!

    Welcome to the Forum, BTW!

  31. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by sansradio View Post
    Thank ya, sir.
    You're inclusion of James Edwards was a pleasant surprise in that I have been looking for a made of TV he made when I was a kid called "Color Me German". I found it listed but not a way to obtain a copy of it. Diana Sands was great, totally unsung.

  32. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    You're inclusion of James Edwards was a pleasant surprise in that I have been looking for a made of TV he made when I was a kid called "Color Me German". I found it listed but not a way to obtain a copy of it. Diana Sands was great, totally unsung.
    Interesting. That title is new to me. I’ll do some poking around. He could’ve been as big as Poitier (and in fact made his splash first), but apparently was troubled and not a team player.

    And I live and breathe Diana Sands. Just a magnificent talent taken way too soon.

  33. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by sansradio View Post
    Excellent choice! Her marriage to Curt Flood alone would make it must-see TV.
    She also married for years to actor Don Marshall of "Ironside" fame.

  34. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by sansradio View Post
    Interesting. That title is new to me. I’ll do some poking around. He could’ve been as big as Poitier (and in fact made his splash first), but apparently was troubled and not a team player.

    And I live and breathe Diana Sands. Just a magnificent talent taken way too soon.
    The formal, complete title of the program was : "NBC Experiment in Television" (TV Series 1967–1971) - I saw the "Color Me German" episode in the spring of 1970 while I was stuck in the hospital at 9 years old. I learned recently that Edwards passed away earlier that year.

  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    She also married for years to actor Don Marshall of "Ironside" fame.
    Oh, snap, that’s right! Rest his soul.

  36. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    The formal, complete title of the program was : "NBC Experiment in Television" (TV Series 1967–1971) - I saw the "Color Me German" episode in the spring of 1970 while I was stuck in the hospital at 9 years old. I learned recently that Edwards passed away earlier that year.
    Will look into it.

    On another note, what about Brenda Sykes? She was a sex symbol for a hot minute. The last TV or film credit I can find is an episode of “Good Times” from ‘79; then she married Gil Scott-Heron and kind of disappeared from the Hollywood scene.

    Lola Falana deserves one big-time. A ‘70s household name who’s forgotten/unknown to the current generations.

  37. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by sansradio View Post
    Will look into it.

    On another note, what about Brenda Sykes? She was a sex symbol for a hot minute. The last TV or film credit I can find is an episode of “Good Times” from ‘79; then she married Gil Scott-Heron and kind of disappeared from the Hollywood scene.

    Lola Falana deserves one big-time. A ‘70s household name who’s forgotten/unknown to the current generations.
    Love Brenda Sykes, love Lola Falana both beautiful, talented women. They need to be recognized.

  38. #38
    I highly doubt the 70’s Supremes or The Smokey less miracles will be featured for the pure fact that it’s a continuation of the same groups that were already big. Same with Chaka and Patti. More than likely you won’t see Curtis either or the four tops.

  39. #39
    I would love to see the Honeycone ,the Originals and Vicky Sue Robinson

  40. #40
    The Three Degrees and First Choice each need one. They done covered all the Philly male groups, now they need to do the female acts there.

  41. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by blackguy69 View Post
    I would love to see the Honeycone ,the Originals and Vicky Sue Robinson
    Vicki Sue Robinson for sure and the Originals most def.!

  42. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by blackguy69 View Post
    I highly doubt the 70’s Supremes or The Smokey less miracles will be featured for the pure fact that it’s a continuation of the same groups that were already big. Same with Chaka and Patti. More than likely you won’t see Curtis either or the four tops.
    I agree, that would not make sense. There was never a group called "The 70s Supremes" or "The Smokey Less Miracles". Besides both are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and both have stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. They are not "unsung".

  43. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by blackguy69 View Post
    I highly doubt the 70’s Supremes or The Smokey less miracles will be featured for the pure fact that it’s a continuation of the same groups that were already big.
    I've decided that I'm going to die on this hill.

    I'll grant the argument against the post Motown Four Tops.

    Every artist that has been recording for decades has a "heyday" that the majority of the hits and fame came from.

    Other than Standing on the Top, I couldn't tell you a single post 1980 Temptations song. But I don't think that 80s and beyond Temptations need an unsung episode. So I get excluding the tops. i'd like to see it but I get it

    I think that the Supremes and Miracles are a different story.

    When a group loses it's lead singer that is a line in the sand, a clear division between eras

    There is a definite difference between Diana leaving the Supremes versus Flo

    And as far as the general public is concerned at least 95% of the hits and fame and being "sung" comes from the Diana & Smokey eras

    I'd love to find out more about the transitions. I think that Smokey wanted to leave the Miracles 2-3 years before he finally did

    How was Jean Terrell chosen as the new lead?

    I'd heard that's not who Berry Gordy wanted. If that's true who did he want?

    Who else was in the running? Was Mary becoming the new lead not an option?

    was there competition between new Supremes and Diana solo? both in and outside Motown?

    the Miracles losing Smokey meant not just losing their lead singer but also their main writer and producer.

    How did they decide what direction to move in?

    Personally I would still like to see a deeper dive into that time period of both groups
    Last edited by Optimal Saint; 10-19-2018 at 07:11 PM.

  44. #44
    Add

    Jimmy Castor Bunch
    Tyrone Davis
    Black Ivory
    Five Stairsteps
    Commodores - to the public at large I think they are Brick House and the group Lionel Ritchie was in before he went solo
    Lee Dorsey
    Leon Ware
    Albert King
    Edwin Starr
    Jerry Butler
    Chuck Jackson
    Billy Paul
    Morris Day & the Time
    Dionne Warwick (I'd say Dee Dee too, but the Whitney allegations makes it unlikely)


    For Hollywood Alfre Woodard - I always thought she was like the female Morgan Freeman: always classes up whatever project she's in

    Berry Gordy's The Last Dragon

    Scatman Crothers

    Carl Weathers

  45. #45
    I'm totally agree with "post - Smokey Robinson's MIRACLES". Since my teens, when I purchased "Love Crazy" I can't spend more than a month without re-heard this MONUMENTAL masterpiece of harmony vocal soul... and the falasetto of Billy Griffin on this album is, IMHO, his best on his career.

  46. #46
    My humble list (some one have been mentioned before):

    - Incognito
    - Light Of The World (the UK fusion group "mother" or origin of Beggar & Co and Incognito)
    - Roy Ayers
    - Futures
    - Mighty Clouds Of Joy
    - Floaters
    - Dramatics
    - Sweet Sensation
    - Melba Moore
    - Sisters Love
    - People's Choice
    - Soul Survivors
    - Double Exposure
    - O.T. Sykes
    - O. V. Wright
    - Angelo Bond
    - Sylvia Smith
    - Freda Payne
    - Sidney Joe Quails
    - Natural Four
    - Joe Tex
    - Tyrone Davis
    - Clarence Carter
    - Frederic Knight
    - Sharon Paige (solo and with The Blue Notes on PIR and after in ABC and Source)
    Last edited by manny; 10-25-2018 at 07:54 AM.

  47. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by manny View Post
    My humble list (some one have been mentioned before):

    - Incognito
    - Light Of The World (the UK fusion group "mother" or origin of Beggar & Co and Incognito)
    - Roy Ayers
    - Futures
    - Mighty Clouds Of Joy
    - Floaters
    - Dramatics
    - Sweet Sensation
    - Melba Moore
    - Sisters Love
    - People's Choice
    - Soul Survivors
    - Double Exposure
    - O.T. Sykes
    - O. V. Wright
    - Angelo Bond
    - Sylvia Smith
    - Freda Payne
    - Sidney Joe Quails
    - Natural Four
    - Joe Tex
    - Tyrone Davis
    - Clarence Carter
    - Frederic Knight
    - Sharon Paige (solo and with The Blue Notes on PIR and after in ABC and Source)
    Melba Moore has been featured on "Unsung" already, as have The Dramatics. Here's the Dramatics link, which won't embed, for some reason. Hope you can see this in your country.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6nsdy3
    Last edited by sansradio; 10-25-2018 at 03:41 PM.

  48. #48
    I didn't read the entire thread but if not mentioned, The Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose would be a nice unsung episode. Here are some more:

    Archie Bell & The Drells, The Intruders, Major Lance, Gene Chandler, The Five Stair Steps, Sonji Clay, Mel & Tim and Tavares.
    Last edited by mr_june; 10-28-2018 at 01:05 PM.

  49. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimal Saint View Post
    First post but Long time lurker here.

    Who do you think needs an unsung episode?

    I have many candidates:

    There are some big names here but if The O'jays, Spinners, both lead singers of the Temptations and Otis Redding are Unsung then anyone could be

    Joe Simon
    Jr Walker & the All Stars
    War
    Joe Tex
    Mandrill
    Osibisa
    Main Ingredient
    Paul Kelly

    Meters
    Syl Johnson
    New Birth
    Booker T & the MGs
    Ann Peeples
    OV Wright
    Solomon Burke
    Slave
    Chairmen of the Board (or Invictus-Hot Wax as a whole, labels owned by HDH after they left Motown, acts include the Chairmen, Freda Payne, Honey Cone, Flaming Ember)
    Archie Bell and the Drells
    LaBelle/Patti Labelle
    Rufus/Chaka Khan
    Johnny "Guitar" Watson
    Average White Band
    Post Diana Supremes
    Post Smokey Miracles
    Post Motown Four Tops
    Willie Hutch
    Johnny Bristol
    The Trammps
    Tony! Tone! Toni!
    Curtis Mayfield
    Betty Wright
    Bettye Lavette
    Rufus Thomas
    Carla Thomas
    Irma Thomas
    Sam & Dave
    Candi Staton
    Clarence Carter

    If we're doing Unsung Hollywood:

    227
    Amen
    The Wiz
    Five Heartbeats/Robert Townsend
    Leon
    Good Times
    Frank's Place/Tim Reid
    Mandrill definitely needs an Unsung episode.

  50. #50
    How about-ray,goodman brown[aka]the moments?

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