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    Millie Jackson Exposed

    Hi!

    Some of Millie's recordings from her peak period in the 1970s have been remixed... or restored to their original glory:

    http://www.soulexpress.net/milliejackson_exposed.htm

    Best regards
    Heikki

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    Thanks for the review. I love Millie and hadn't heard about this release yet. Just ordered.

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    I have looked over this track list and decided that this collection doesn't sound like it would grab me so I will likely pass. Not that I didn't love Millie J back in the day!

    Did anyone else go as wild as I did over her version of "You Knocked the Love Right Out of My Heart?" I think the Pointer Sisters also did a version of it, but Millie's was far superior in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heikki View Post
    Hi!

    Some of Millie's recordings from her peak period in the 1970s have been remixed... or restored to their original glory:

    http://www.soulexpress.net/milliejackson_exposed.htm

    Best regards
    Heikki
    It came out in the UK last week. It is a very interesting project which i think works very well. I am probably the worlds no,1 Millie Jackson fan, and i miss the days back in the 70's and 80's when we got a new album every six months. Those Spring albums contained many gems that have really stood the test of time. I think it is high time this lady received the acclaim her magnificent voice deserves. There was much more to her than the cursing and swearing that she is often best remembered for.

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    Interesting timing for this post. Last week, I was making a tape (yes, a cassette ) of my favorite Millie Spring tracks. She really did have some gems on those albums and they stand up without the raps.

    Even though I have the originals, I am looking forward to this release (although I just received an email from Amazon saying it has been delayed). But I do have one small quibble: photos from the session on the cover have appeared on quite a few cd releases in the recent past. Surely there are many other Millie photos in the vaults.

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    Hi!

    I'd still like to add that if you have half an hour extra time please have a look at the video, where Steve Levine tells about that remixing process and how different it was working with eighh tracks compared to 24 tracks later. It's quite fascinating.

    Best regards
    Heikki

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    Interesting timing for this post. Last week, I was making a tape (yes, a cassette ) of my favorite Millie Spring tracks. She really did have some gems on those albums and they stand up without the raps.

    Even though I have the originals, I am looking forward to this release (although I just received an email from Amazon saying it has been delayed). But I do have one small quibble: photos from the session on the cover have appeared on quite a few cd releases in the recent past. Surely there are many other Millie photos in the vaults.
    I hear what you are saying, and whilst i would have to say you raise a valid point, i think we can both agree that it is the music that counts.
    I totally agree about the quality of much of the music Millie recorded. They still sound fresh and relevant. She was a maverick, and deserves much more respect than she receives.

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    This set is also available as both a CD quality download and a Hi-Res 24-bit download. Is this because the new mixes are owned by Ace? Ace, when they offer downloads, tend to do so only in lossy quality (mp3 etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    I hear what you are saying, and whilst i would have to say you raise a valid point, i think we can both agree that it is the music that counts.
    I totally agree about the quality of much of the music Millie recorded. They still sound fresh and relevant. She was a maverick, and deserves much more respect than she receives.
    I totally agree, although I would counter that a less-informed buyer might pass over this cd thinking they already have it. That said, it is most definitely the music that counts.

    I have loved Millie since I was a kid, even when I didn't understand most of what she was talking about. It was the voice on ASK ME WHAT YOU WANT and MY MAN, A SWEET MAN that captured me. I can still remember buying IT HURTS SO GOOD for $.50 while on vacation with my family. For my high school graduation present, one of my aunts took me to my first Millie concert. Quite an experience to say the least.

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    Hi heikki,

    Remixes always make me wary because you can never recreate the exact sound of the original mix no matter how hard you try. You can get mighty close, but if it isn't a technicality, the producer just can't resist putting their own little sonic signature on it. The second Steve Levine stated that he "enhanced" things, and used parts from outtakes and such, I stopped listening. Producers just can't resist changing stuff. It must be ego.
    Last edited by soulster; 07-09-2018 at 04:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    The second Steve Levine stated that he "enhanced" things, and used parts from outtakes and such, I stopped listening.
    Do you avoid Extended Versions/12" Mixes for the same reasons?

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    Hi Soulster!

    Fair enough... and Steve actually has made his individual changes.
    As a proud owner of (I think) every record Millie ever made, it was however stimulating to listen to slightly fresh approach to these sounds. Also I think partially it's true, when Steve says that he has "restored some of these sessions to their former glory" - especially in the case of "I Cry."
    And it was fascinating to hear how in those tracks he can define the location of instruments in the studio and how in the remix he was able to move two instruments closer to each other. I'm not an engineer, but I found it interesting.

    Best regards
    Heikki

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    This set is also available as both a CD quality download and a Hi-Res 24-bit download. Is this because the new mixes are owned by Ace? Ace, when they offer downloads, tend to do so only in lossy quality (mp3 etc.).
    Ace actually own all the Spring masters, among a number of other labels. Whenever they have ownership they generally make the release available as a download as well as in any physical form. Licensing and rights issues make it hard or impossible for them to make 'non owned' releases available, for example their Motown compilations. So it's not just this remix they own, but the original master recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallworld View Post
    Do you avoid Extended Versions/12" Mixes for the same reasons?
    No, because the intended purpose of a 12" remix is to make it sound different, to create something new and apart from the original mix.

    In this case, his plan is to "improve" on the original mix of vintage recordings by changing little things. That's not acceptable. Modern-day producers should not put their creative stamp on things.

    What too often happens is that the "new and improved" remixes replace the originals. Not acceptable! It's re-writing history.

    Quote Originally Posted by heikki View Post
    Hi Soulster!

    Fair enough... and Steve actually has made his individual changes.
    As a proud owner of (I think) every record Millie ever made, it was however stimulating to listen to slightly fresh approach to these sounds. Also I think partially it's true, when Steve says that he has "restored some of these sessions to their former glory" - especially in the case of "I Cry."
    And it was fascinating to hear how in those tracks he can define the location of instruments in the studio and how in the remix he was able to move two instruments closer to each other. I'm not an engineer, but I found it interesting.

    Best regards
    Heikki
    It's changing history. We shouldn't be second-guessing the original producers and engineers. Sure, one could argue that they struggled with the recording and mixing gear of the day, but they couldn't have struggled if that was all they knew. If a drum was placed, say, center-left, I don't want it panned differently. If a guitar dominated a right channel, I don't want it panned to the center-left. I don't want the vocals suddenly boosted by two db. I don't want slightly distanced strings now enveloping the entire soundfield. I don't want extra reverb on a background vocal where it wasn't before. I don't want a squeaky-new digitally-mixed recording that was originally mixed to analog.

    Just give me a good mastering of the original two-track analog mixes from the first generation tapes. Thank you. Don't f*ck with history just because you can. A good remixer and/or mastering engineer should not let their ego get in the way of the recording.
    Last edited by soulster; 07-10-2018 at 03:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    No, because the intended purpose of a 12" remix is to make it sound different, to create something new and apart from the original mix.

    In this case, his plan is to "improve" on the original mix of vintage recordings by changing little things. That's not acceptable. Modern-day producers should not put their creative stamp on things.

    What too often happens is that the "new and improved" remixes replace the originals. Not acceptable! It's re-writing history.



    It's changing history. We shouldn't be second-guessing the original producers and engineers. Sure, one could argue that they struggled with the recording and mixing gear of the day, but they couldn't have struggled if that was all they knew. If a drum was placed, say, center-left, I don't want it panned differently. If a guitar dominated a right channel, I don't want it panned to the center-left. I don't want the vocals suddenly boosted by two db. I don't want slightly distanced strings now enveloping the entire soundfield. I don't want extra reverb on a background vocal where it wasn't before. I don't want a squeaky-new digitally-mixed recording that was originally mixed to analog.

    Just give me a good mastering of the original two-track analog mixes from the first generation tapes. Thank you. Don't f*ck with history just because you can. A good remixer and/or mastering engineer should not let their ego get in the way of the recording.
    Very well said
    and I agree 100 per cent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    It came out in the UK last week. It is a very interesting project which i think works very well. I am probably the worlds no,1 Millie Jackson fan, and i miss the days back in the 70's and 80's when we got a new album every six months. Those Spring albums contained many gems that have really stood the test of time. I think it is high time this lady received the acclaim her magnificent voice deserves. There was much more to her than the cursing and swearing that she is often best remembered for.
    I, too, love Jackson's Spring lps. I got totally turned off with the swearing and toilet sitting period but always wish her well and remain a fan of the Spring sessions.

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