Ralph - Can we have the SD forum DRATS free?

[snakepit]

Ralph,
SDF has lost so many members over the years, many put off by the preponderance of DRATS threads.
Many members have asked for a separate DRATS thread but that has never happened.
Now we seem to have DRATS threads appearing here. Please save SDF by insisting that similar posts are made in the Motown forum, otherwise, like poison Ivy this will spread and ruin the main forum.

[PeaceNHarmony]

Not sure but I think anyone is free to not read threads about performers they don't like. Anyhoo it works for me.

[soulster]

The place is overrun with DRATS threads. Almost every thread has Diana Ross in it. It's out of hand! Give them their own section!

[snakepit]

That has been requested before but Ralph refused.
You can see the results on Motown forum.
We've lost a lot of members as a result.
If SDF is swamped with DRATS then it will be such a shame.

[snakepit]

Not sure but I think anyone is free to not read threads about performers they don't like. Anyhoo it works for me.

It's not about the artists ...it's the banal tit for tat posts that ruin the forum. If not corrected this forum will be swamped by rival groups arguing DRATS stuff....repeatedly.
At least they have a home in Motown forum...keep it there please.

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

Wow, me putting one thread in the wrong forum by mistake has really pissed you off, hasn't it snakepit? For someone whose concerned about users being put off and leaving, shouldn't you maybe have less of a hostile overreaction to such an innocent mistake? I mean jeez, have a cup of chamomile tea or something. The funny part is it wasn't even a DRATS topic, it was a Supremes one as the lineup was Diana/Florence/Mary and I was mostly interested in Florence anyway. So I don't get where all this DRATS this and Diana Ross that comes from. You are not famous enough to be acting like this much of a diva.

[snakepit]

I think you have been a member for 1 month...you have no idea what results from any DRATS threads.
But take it from me, the continual threads and arguments over the years have ruined this web site.

[soulster]

Barring a separate section for the DRATS fans, perhaps an indefinite moratorium on all DRATS threads is in order with a closure of all related current threads.

The drastic remedy is a second purge.

But, Ralph does not like to be told what to do, and he doesn't like his hand forced.

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

So you are trying to save the forum from arguments.... by going out of your way to start numerous arguments with me over one post?

This makes sense to you, how?

[snakepit]

You have started at least 3 Supremes related threads in SDF main forum...hardly 1 mistake.

[soulster]

When a new person comes into this forum, they see that almost all of the threads are DRATS/Diana Ross-related. It's discouraging to anyone who comes here with other musical interests. They suddenly think it's a DRATS forum, and leave. If they look at these threads, they see the bickering in them. Again, the industry cats who USED to frequent this place have been run off by all of it.

[snakepit]

This site was started as a tribute to 60's Detroit soul artists and labels, specifically Darrell Banks.
I doubt if 90% of the current members have heard of him.

[soulster]

This site was started as a tribute to 60's Detroit soul artists and labels, specifically Darrell Banks.
I doubt if 90% of the current members have heard of him.

I only have one song by him, his big hit "Ooo Wee, I Love You". It's a childhood favorite.

[marv2]

I only have one song by him, his big hit "Ooo Wee, I Love You". It's a childhood favorite.

You don't have "Open the Door to Your Heart"?

[soulster]

You don't have "Open the Door to Your Heart"?

I'm probably confusing Darrell Banks with Fred Hughes again. Yes, I have both.

Thank you Ralph!

AT last! Let's see if this will contain the craziness.

The way I use this forum is to hit the "Headline Topics" button at the top. That way, I see all the post popular threads regardless of the forum they are presented in. Now that the DRATS topics will appear in it, I will stop using the feature.

[khansperac]

Not sure how this formum is set up but can’t a moderator move a thread if it’s posted in the wrong forum? Also before actually posting in this forum I use to browse And it was always funny to me how those that constantly complain about Diana Ross and the Supremes threads or mentions, were always the ones to bring up her name in Unrelated threads As a joke or a dig.

[soulster]

Not sure how this formum is set up but can’t a moderator move a thread if it’s posted in the wrong forum? Also before actually posting in this forum I use to browse And it was always funny to me how those that constantly complain about Diana Ross and the Supremes threads or mentions, were always the ones to bring up her name in Unrelated threads As a joke or a dig.

Well, that needs to end too.

If enough of we vets speak up, maybe Ralph will finally be compelled to do something about it. I remember what this forum was like in the early 2000s before the DRATS people came in.

[marv2]

Well, that needs to end too.

If enough of we vets speak up, maybe Ralph will finally be compelled to do something about it. I remember what this forum was like in the early 2000s before the DRATS people came in.

The DRATS people came here from Yahoo when all of those old groups kind of went defunct.

[soulster]

The DRATS people came here from Yahoo when all of those old groups kind of went defunct.

Will all the factions be able to get along without blaming you for the forum's woes now? LOL!

[marv2]

Will all the factions be able to get along without blaming you for the forum's woes now? LOL!

You know, they've been doing that for years. Well it's actually only the same 4-5 guys, but I digress. Every since I mentioned that I did not care for Diana Ross and did not think she was over and above all other artists I have been the "enemy" LOL! Should I go further? LOL!!!!

[RanRan79]

Will all the factions be able to get along without blaming you for the forum's woes now? LOL!

That would be assuming that Mr. Nobody-Thinks-About-Diane-But-I-Post-About-Diane-All-the-Time wouldn't bother coming into the threads, but you know he'll still find his way into Ross threads. He'll still be one of the main Supremes posters. And he'll still post a million threads about Mary Wilson...and because of the way Ralph and Lowell have set it up, he'll have to come to the Supremes forum to post about Mary Wilson. This move will do nothing to stop the supposed attacks against He Who Shall Not Be Named nor will it stop the messy nonsense via him and some of the others. There's no hope here for civilized Supremes discussions unless everyone starts liberally using the ignore feature. And considering how often some of the same folks get into it with the same other folks, some folks obviously don't want to use the feature because they like the arguing.

[detmotownguy]

Ur right Marv lol!

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

That's the thing. I never mentioned the DRATS: he says I made three in the wrong forum over the past few days, but really:

1. Was about Florence Ballard's solo album with ABC. So not really anything to do with Motown, and certainly nothing to do with Diana Ross and the Supremes as they were known then.

2. A performence of Everybody Needs Somebody: no Diana Ross there, unless she's disguised herself cunningly as Jean Terrell. I posted it for the brief solo by Cindy.

3. The one that kicked him off and make this topic after biting my head off was a post featuring Flo, Mary and Diana doing a medley of their 60s hits, and featured the three wearing lovely gowns that Flo in particular was feeling. Not DRATS there either, it wasn't called that until Flo got kicked out.

I generally try to post Supremes posts in the Motown forum, but tbh I have dyspraxia and I get a bit flustered sometimes as the two forums look very similar and sometimes post the wrong post in the wrong forum. It's not intentional and certainly not part of this evil plan to turn it into a DRATS fansite as this guy seems to accuse me of doing. Besides as much as I love Diana, she comes after Flo, Cindy and Jean in that order.

[ralpht]

I'll discuss this with Lowell to see if we can open up a special room.

[marv2]

I'll discuss this with Lowell to see if we can open up a special room.

That would be great Ralph! Right now it's like "Diana Ross World" LOL!!!!

[snakepit]

Barring a separate section for the DRATS fans, perhaps an indefinite moratorium on all DRATS threads is in order with a closure of all related current threads.

The drastic remedy is a second purge.

But, Ralph does not like to be told what to do, and he doesn't like his hand forced.

I don't care how many DRATS threads there are..I'm way past caring. But at least I know where all this nonsense resides.
There is hardly any point in starting any threads in Motown Forum as they are swamped by you know what!
The ship has long sailed...
But the SDF forum has generally remained safe...but one DRATS begets another and another and on it goes.

[khansperac]

I really don’t think that will work either, unless you have separate threads/forums for all the top Motown acts. Because what will happen next is some people will still be offended that the DRATS forum/thread will always be at the top. Also you should not be forced to post a thread about Diana Ross in a DRATS forum or Mary Wilson for that matter either.

[snakepit]

Tell you what...posts as many DRATS threads in Clubhouse..see what Ralph says about that.

[khansperac]

I do agree however that those threads that are about any Motown artist belong in the Motown forum. I have to ask again isn’t it just a simple thing just having the moderator or one of the moderators not sure how many there are, just simply move them to the Motown section?

[snakepit]

You don't learn do you?
There is a home for Motown related posts. Many current and past members believe that the Motown Forum had been ruined by the number and contents of DRATS posts. But it is the home for such posts.
You have posted 3 [[THREE) threads with a Supremes theme on SDF. If you continue to post DRATS related topics in SDF , you will be encouraging more snd more DRATS threads.
That will result in members who have no intetest in DRATS nonsense to leave the site.

[ralpht]

You guys asked for it and it is coming. Check top thread on the main forum.

[marv2]

You guys asked for it and it is coming. Check top thread on the main forum.

Thank you Ralph!

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

As much as I don't appreciate that guy beating my head off, I really do like the idea of having a forum just for the Supremes, so thank you ralph for restoring order to the universe.

[snakepit]

I am not suggesting any evil plan. I am trying to prevent SDF from being ruined by pointing out what WILL happen if you continue to post in SDF.
If if is a mistake then that is unfortunate, but 3 seems careless..Oscar Wilde might say so at least.
Carry on anyway ...

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

If you want to get technical, NONE of my topics had anything to do with DRATs, one was a medley of Supremes performances featuring Florence, the 2nd was a live recording of the Jean/Cindy/Mary lineup and one topic didn't even have anything to do with Motown: it was covering Florence's songs recorded with ABC.

Go be a plague on someone else's house you pompous windbag.

[PeaceNHarmony]

If you want to get technical, NONE of my topics had anything to do with DRATs, one was a medley of Supremes performances featuring Florence, the 2nd was a live recording of the Jean/Cindy/Mary lineup and one topic didn't even have anything to do with Motown: it was covering Florence's songs recorded with ABC.

Go be a plague on someone else's house you pompous windbag.

Based on the 'pompus windbag' I presumed you were referring to me but then reconsidered Anyhoo I'm glad to see your posts wheresoever they turn up!

[snakepit]

So you started 3 threads about
1. Cindy Birdsong
2. Supremes Medley
3. Florence Ballard
And none of that relates to DRATS.?

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

1. Yes. No DRATs as the lineup was Jean, Mary and Cindy.

2. The Supremes: not the DRATs.

3. Florence Ballard's post-Motown attempts to forge a solo career.

Not seeing any drats, except "Drats, that pedantic fool is still trying to start something with me."

[soulster]

1. Yes. No DRATs as the lineup was Jean, Mary and Cindy.

2. The Supremes: not the DRATs.

3. Florence Ballard's post-Motown attempts to forge a solo career.

Not seeing any drats, except "Drats, that pedantic fool is still trying to start something with me."

This post is an example of the kind of thing that will now be contained in the new section.

You can argue until the cows come home about what DRATS is, and, if i'm understanding Ralph, you can call names and bicker and he won't give a rat's ass. It's a new playground. Go at it!

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

Aw thank you, now this is what I come to Soulful Detroit for not being scolded by bad tempered hair-splitters.

Now that I've had my first argument on here, I don't think I'm fit to share my last name with Cindy Birdsong, the sweet Supreme.

[snakepit]

Hair splitter?
You make distinctions about Members of a group called Supremes/ Drats?

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

have you considered getting some sort of hobby

[snakepit]

Too busy being obsessed about pink dresses.

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

Well what are you obsessed with? Bath salts? Delusional malcontent.

[snakepit]

You seem a very angry person. You have made several personal comments about me. I have just suggested to you that your posts may cause problems to the main SDF forum.
But after many years we now have a DRATS thread , where you can all get along very happily.

[Coppelia-Birdsong]

Ugh. Crybullies are the worst. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

I'm just going to block this snakepit person and ignore him from now on, he was bad enough when he was going out of his way to insult me for things I didn't even post, now he has the nerve to whine and act the victim. I come to this place to have fun and chat with people. I only like red meat on a very rare occasion: I really have to be in the mood for a good steak and only have it once or twice a year. The point is, people like snakepit need to take their beef elsewhere, especially since they got their wish in a seperate DRATs forum and they are still pouting and being snottily passive aggressive.

Like seriously, this whole mess started because I accidentally posted a Supremes topic in the non-Motown thread, and this person has not left me alone since, claiming I will personally destroy this forum with my DRATs obsession and drive everyone away.... they get the forum they wouldn't shut up about.... and they are still complaining. Like, how do you go through life when you are that impossible to please? How about a thank you to the mods instead of more moaning?

[soulster]

Like seriously, this whole mess started because I accidentally posted a Supremes topic in the non-Motown thread, and this person has not left me alone since, claiming I will personally destroy this forum with my DRATs obsession and drive everyone away.... they get the forum they wouldn't shut up about.... and they are still complaining. Like, how do you go through life when you are that impossible to please? How about a thank you to the mods instead of more moaning?

Hi,

Seriously, NONE of this is because of where you posted something. This is a problem that's been going on for at least a decade now. You are relatively new here so you wouldn't know the very long history we have had with the extreme DRATS fans here, and Marv.

From what I have been told, years and years ago, Marv said something homophobic on another forum, and that set the DRATS fans off, and it spilled over here to SDF when their Yahoo forum got shut down. Ever since then, it has been open warfare on Marv, and an attempt to disrupt this place until Ralph banned him. Since Ralph never banned him, they are hell-bent on destroying this place to punish him. So, it has nothing to do with you or what you did.

As for snakepit, he is a forum elder like I am. His primary interests are like mine. We both like to talk about, and read about how things were recorded, and he is a bit of an expert in that area where it concerns Motown. He often comes up with some interesting threads and questions. I have never known him to be a mean guy. I do believe he has just gotten fed up with all the DRATS crap that has been ruining this forum for years. We used to have industry heavyweights here, people who worked on all that Motown music we all love. Now they are long gone because of the mess. This is why Ralph decided to give the DRATS fans a place of their own so the rest of the forum wouldn't be ruined.

I need to add that there are some nice DRATS fans in here. They are civil and friendly, and only love their favorite singers. The people causing the war are two or three people, and I heard that one of them may be posting under aliases.

[RanRan79]

From what I have been told, years and years ago, Marv said something homophobic on another forum, and that set the DRATS fans off, and it spilled over here to SDF when their Yahoo forum got shut down. Ever since then, it has been open warfare on Marv, and an attempt to disrupt this place until Ralph banned him. Since Ralph never banned him, they are hell-bent on destroying this place to punish him.

Believe it or not, I can believe this. Like I said before, He Who Shall Not Be Named causes problems around here but he isn't the only one. And there have been times when it's clear that no matter what he says, someone comes after him. And some on the opposing side appear to be quite irrational. But He Who Shall Not Be Named does himself no favors by being equally irrational.

I need to add that there are some nice DRATS fans in here. They are civil and friendly, and only love their favorite singers. The people causing the war are two or three people, and I heard that one of them may be posting under aliases.

I think most people in the forum are civil, friendly, rational posters. It is most definitely a minority who are quick with the insults or quick with inflammatory statements that they know people will react to. Misunderstandings happen, of course, but I'm referring to the "there's no mistake about it...you trying to start some shit" posts. Lol And there are a few who fit that profile. And it's been theorized before that a lot of the goings on are really just a couple of people posting under aliases and arguing with themselves. I think it'll be interesting if Ralph ever bans IP addresses, which posters will suddenly have "Banned" appearing under their names. I have my suspicions about which ones would show up this way.

[mysterysinger]

Yeah I think a separate DRATS forum is a good idea. Containment brings contentment - at least to me. Who knows, I might even visit now and again.

[marv2]

Yeah I think a separate DRATS forum is a good idea. Containment brings contentment - at least to me. Who knows, I might even visit now and again.

At least now you can see the non-"Diana Ross", "Supremes - Free" threads much easier. LOL!!!!