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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    I believe that could be true.



    And, why do you believe this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    I believe that could be true.
    Police forensics could clear that up. Belief and facts are two different things.

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    Cindy Birdsong is reported to have once told a friend that Delcina Wilson and Tony Turner - were often referred to as "part of THE MOB", by some at Motown. Cindy reported it was said jokingly, but for young kids they always seemed well financed. And in Turner's ALL THAT GLITTERED you can pick up on hints of a lavish lifestyle - lived by two kids/young adults, with no apparent source of income - other than some boyfriend, that is very vaguely written about, with private jets, fancy cars, and always throwing pockets of money at the two of them.

    In Akk That Glittered thier , to me, are hidden jewels of information - almost written in code - that the masses have not picked up on, because they are looking at the frivolous 0 not the death of Paul Williams, the sudden move of Motown to LA - the story of Berry and two broken legs - or the Novack brothers.

    Traces of this same information can be found in Mary Wilsons books as well - all of these books I am sure have been edited like crazy for legal reasons.

    Gordy had to address it - as a urban legend - but why - if it was only that.

    No Mafia at Motown - ok - maybe NOT!!!

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    topdiva: speculation, hearsay, and rumor. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    topdiva: speculation, hearsay, and rumor. That's all.
    Yes - I do agree with you - No One - not even the top participants may ever really understand what Motown Records was. So much of it is shrouded in pure legend, fiction, speculation, gossip and rumor.

    The main fact is that MOTOWN was a great influence on the world of music - and that fact continues on today - regardless of who had a hand in or out of it. The music produced at Motown has stood the test of time.

    Regardless

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    Ok.listens ups yoos cause i'm only gonna say dis once ya see,dare ain't's no mafia in dat dare motown ya hear n iffen i got's ta cum back ova here agin ta tell yas i'm gonna break sum heads cappice...signed...johnny meatballs.

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    I tink ya gots dat wrong.........Diana was da mafia wit Berry; wat she said went!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    I tink ya gots dat wrong.........Diana was da mafia wit Berry; wat she said went!
    Yep what she said went - and you see what way Flo went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randy_russi View Post
    I don't know, it was also rumored they ran him out of Detroit. I doubt that, however, but who knows. Mike Roshkind
    was rumored to be a mobster.
    Mike Roshkind? OMG! LOL!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrr&bee View Post
    Ok.listens ups yoos cause i'm only gonna say dis once ya see,dare ain't's no mafia in dat dare motown ya hear n iffen i got's ta cum back ova here agin ta tell yas i'm gonna break sum heads cappice...signed...johnny meatballs.
    Good job JAI, but not fer nuthin', here on Long Guyland it is "capece"! LOL!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    Mike Roshkind? OMG! LOL!!!!

    Mike Roshkind, they say was Berry's watchdog, and bearer of bad news - he was used to cut Flo Ballard's throat - as well as that of Ruffin and Kendricks - said to be a lap dog for Motown at the time. You think maybe he thought of himself as a little Mafia.

    Intrigue, honey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    Mike Roshkind, they say was Berry's watchdog, and bearer of bad news - he was used to cut Flo Ballard's throat - as well as that of Ruffin and Kendricks - said to be a lap dog for Motown at the time. You think maybe he thought of himself as a little Mafia.

    Intrigue, honey!
    He is also the one that told Mary that she should have been "harder" on some people in her first book! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    Whether he was murdered or died by his own hands, what does that have to do with this topic? Lots of people in Detroit have been murdered unfortunately over the years.

    I think they are going for a Mafia who dun it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    I think they are going for a Mafia who dun it!!
    Well then they need to quit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    good job jai, but not fer nuthin', here on long guyland it is "capece"! Lol!!!!
    hay,you ova dar wit da mouth ya don't's curreck me what you a wise guy or sumpin...i'm a gonna send ya a pair of cement underpants if n ya keeps dis up...cappice???

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrr&bee View Post
    hay,you ova dar wit da mouth ya don't's curreck me what you a wise guy or sumpin...i'm a gonna send ya a pair of cement underpants if n ya keeps dis up...cappice???
    Oh? So now youse think yer betta dan me? Git the F&*K outta hea! LOL!!!!
    Last edited by marv2; 01-25-2011 at 02:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    oh? So now youse think yer betta than me?
    hey you's ova dar wit da mouth,i ain't's better n nobody n ima gonna send ya sum cement socks ta go wit dem underwares ya see..whoos better thin you nobody n iff en anybody says da is i'ma gonna send em a pair of these here cement tennis shues cappice,now if you's xcuse me i gots ta go ova dar n bust sum heads cause it's what i does cappice...johnny meatballs,esq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamasu_Jr View Post
    I agree. There was a time when the Mafia controlled nightclubs [[THE COPA) and other businesses. Entertainers had to deal with the mob. They couldn't avoid the mob.
    Kamasu;
    I understand what your saying but I don't believe they actually "ran" Motown but they were around and part of Motown. They still exist today but are more instrumental in politics and government today. There were also some gangsters that were in and out of Ohio at the time that were associated with the Mafia but that has toned down a bit. It has now become more of a elite group today than mobsters.

    Also, are you referring to James Traficant [[D-Ohio) who was indicted on federal charges of racketeering, conspiracy to commit bribery, and taking illegal gratuities ?
    Last edited by captainjames; 01-25-2011 at 03:18 PM.

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    Is Mike Roshkind still alive? Refresh us on what happened to him. Did he move on to Universal or something for a while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    Is Mike Roshkind still alive? Refresh us on what happened to him. Did he move on to Universal or something for a while?
    Ah, yeah. He's sitting in my living room on the sofa having a drink. He wants to know, why you wanna know? I've asked, but he won't leave. I'm starting to get a little pissed........hehehehehe....
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    Quote Originally Posted by arrr&bee View Post
    hey you's ova dar wit da mouth,i ain't's better n nobody n ima gonna send ya sum cement socks ta go wit dem underwares ya see..whoos better thin you nobody n iff en anybody says da is i'ma gonna send em a pair of these here cement tennis shues cappice,now if you's xcuse me i gots ta go ova dar n bust sum heads cause it's what i does cappice...johnny meatballs,esq.
    Yo' Johnny Meats! Me and Joey Buttafucco got a little thing going on with his hot gumare and her friends over in Massapequa later, you in?

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    The mafia rumours first made it into print in Rock magazine...they allege that Berry couldnt pay his gambling debts while on tour with the supremes and he was severly beaten..that article in the late 60s got the ball rolling..next came Number One With A Bullet that further cememented the bond in the publics eye..we have now discovered the author saw nothing more at the time than the Four Tops being handed suitcase full of money after one of their gigs..the Mafia rumours persisited through the 70s..Taraborelli looked into them for Call Her Miss Ross as he had interviewed Taylor Cox who told him the stories where true..he had also interviewed the late Flo who recalled Berry being forced into a meeting after a Supremes gig in Peurto Rico...Taylor told Taraborelli that the Mob let Berry win big in the casinos then took half of Motown when he lost..
    Diana,Marvin.Berry and Smokey have all denied the rumours..but they especially took hold in The UK when I lived there and told my mother I had discovered Diana Ross she said "Shes a gangsters Moll...." and my father agreed so even in the 80s that mob thing had stuck....
    Berry suddenly being harder to get to than fort knox..all those bodyguards..there is one urban legend that Dianas favourite bodyguard was shot dead at Gordy Manor...rumours swirled around Motown....

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    Who is this Delcina Wilson who is jokingly referred to from time to time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    Who is this Delcina Wilson who is jokingly referred to from time to time?
    Delcina Wilson is talked about in Tony Turner's ALL THAT GLITTERED - as being mysterious, and around Motown and a personal friend or possible relation to Mary Wilson. Her sudden, unexplained appearance on the Motown scene surprises Turner - as he states he never heard of her before yet suddenly every knows her at Motown and fears her, or so it appears.

    In All That Glittered Turner and Delcina Wilson become fast friends, she quickly amps up Turner's style, and clout at Motown - and Turner refers to Delcina's Italy born boyfriend as being in the Costa Nostra/Mafia.

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    Delcina Wilson is a larger than life character who appears late on the scene in Tony Turners All that Glittered..she is a part time photographer known to The Supremes entourage but only meets Turner at the very end of Dianas tenure in the group..they quickly form a fast friendship over gossip on the girls and extravagant shopping sprees payed for by Delcinas mob boyfriend who appears only to give them more spending money then vanish..Delcina causes a scene when she is not booked into the Flamingo for the last shows with a fistful of dollars and a sailors mouth she gets her way..shes photographed with Diana in All That Glitterred she apparently tried to coax Flo to go to The Flamingo for the last show but Tommy ran off with the money,,Thats Tonys take on it anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomis View Post
    Delcina Wilson is a larger than life character who appears late on the scene in Tony Turners All that Glittered..she is a part time photographer known to The Supremes entourage but only meets Turner at the very end of Dianas tenure in the group..they quickly form a fast friendship over gossip on the girls and extravagant shopping sprees payed for by Delcinas mob boyfriend who appears only to give them more spending money then vanish..Delcina causes a scene when she is not booked into the Flamingo for the last shows with a fistful of dollars and a sailors mouth she gets her way..shes photographed with Diana in All That Glitterred she apparently tried to coax Flo to go to The Flamingo for the last show but Tommy ran off with the money,,Thats Tonys take on it anyway....

    and that's all she wrote - well said - way better than me THANKS!!!!!

    By the way I understand the two of them are still friends and still shop the way they used too!!!

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    The whole Mob/Motown thing has always lead to GOOD GOSSIP and speculation - and continues to fuel the fire. The truth may be that there was never a Motown/Mob connection, at all. Just Gordy's machine keeping it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    the whole mob/motown thing has always lead to good gossip and speculation - and continues to fuel the fire. The truth may be that there was never a motown/mob connection, at all. Just gordy's machine keeping it interesting.
    hay yoos ova dar topdiva dat's all i'm sayin all along dar ain't no mafioso in dat dar motown ya see ima glad ta see sumbody ova dar is lisinin ya see cause udderwise me n sum o da boys was gonna hav ta cum ova dar n like bust sum heads n bein a peecful guy ima glad it got wurked out ya see capice.

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    It has been many years since I read All That Glittered; and I have totally lost any memory of Delcina Wilson; probably fortunate that I have!

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    I have an extra copy I need to get rid of jobeterob..

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    I keep all my old Motown books; I've scanned Call Her Miss Ross recently and I was shocked at how much Randy put the boots to Mary Wilson; he may have been hard on Diana but he was harder on Mary.

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    Perhaps if I include a cash offer with the books, they'll move?
    Last edited by MissLish; 01-29-2011 at 02:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    I keep all my old Motown books; I've scanned Call Her Miss Ross recently and I was shocked at how much Randy put the boots to Mary Wilson; he may have been hard on Diana but he was harder on Mary.

    I believe that one day - all these Motown books will be studied and someone will come up with a clearer combined story, a non personal look , of what may or may not have happened. Thus far for that version I refer to the old book by Nelson George - WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO.

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