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    Thanks Mary Brewster. I'm trippin about Diana telling Mariah [[if it's true) not to do the high note at the end. I guess Diana say "Heifer you know I can't do that, so don't you try it". Lol They all looked like they were having fun though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebrock View Post
    What you read is correct. Donna was given insufficient time to rehearse as indeed was Mariah and whilst this caused some initial difficulty the situation was quickly diffused and she and Diana met up the next day and cleared the air. To be fair to Mariah she was a real trooper on this particular occasion.
    Mariah was also still suffering from food poisoning. She had been hospitalized in Boston right before the DIVAS taping.

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    It is unfortunate the whole thing did not totally collapse before it was ever announced to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circa 1824 View Post
    It is unfortunate the whole thing did not totally collapse before it was ever announced to the public.
    Why? I really enjoyed the show. It was so exciting at the time. It was also the highest rated. So VH1 was happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgalindo View Post
    Why? I really enjoyed the show. It was so exciting at the time. It was also the highest rated. So VH1 was happy.
    It was a huge let down for most people which is why it failed and was cancelled. I remember how excited everyone was when it was announced in late 1999. Such a great opportunity for the Supremes and their fans just pissed away like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vgalindo View Post
    Why? I really enjoyed the show. It was so exciting at the time. It was also the highest rated. So VH1 was happy.
    ... I think that's Wilson posting anonymously & still holding her grudge !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceNHarmony View Post
    ... I think that's Wilson posting anonymously & still holding her grudge !!
    Mary's not holding a grudge over RTL. She wasn't the one that got cancelled and publicly humiliated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceNHarmony View Post
    ... I think that's Wilson posting anonymously & still holding her grudge !!
    Will you please stop with the games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by endlesslove View Post
    Will you please stop with the games?
    You know it's never going to stop. Certain fans on both side are going to hold on to it til they breathe their last breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackguy69 View Post
    You know it's never going to stop. Certain fans on both side are going to hold on to it til they breathe their last breath.
    It's pathetic, but you speak the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    It's pathetic, but you speak the truth.
    I just recognized who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    Mary's not holding a grudge over RTL. She wasn't the one that got cancelled and publicly humiliated.
    Yeah Marv, after all, all Mary had to do was show up lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by detmotownguy View Post
    Yeah Marv, after all, all Mary had to do was show up lol!
    Yeah you know because they offered her the moon.........! LOL!

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    Mary wanted a third. She even said in an interview she would need to be paid as a third. She wanted creative input. And to be an equal. That'll never happen! We all want a reunion but most people want Diana to be the center of it all, and given Diana's star cred, Mary will never ever be offered anywhere close to what Diana will. I don't know if Mary would still need a third now...it shouldn't be about money. They should just reunite for a performance at the Grammys or a Motown special again, it doesn't have to be a monetized tour! Money makes everything messy. Mary is my favorite Supreme but let's be honest here...the promoters will never offer Mary, Cindy, or anyone else what they'll offer Diana. And Diana can't even command the kind of money she used to either...she actually plays in casinos now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imakicola View Post
    Mary wanted a third. She even said in an interview she would need to be paid as a third. She wanted creative input. And to be an equal. That'll never happen! We all want a reunion but most people want Diana to be the center of it all, and given Diana's star cred, Mary will never ever be offered anywhere close to what Diana will. I don't know if Mary would still need a third now...it shouldn't be about money. They should just reunite for a performance at the Grammys or a Motown special again, it doesn't have to be a monetized tour! Money makes everything messy. Mary is my favorite Supreme but let's be honest here...the promoters will never offer Mary, Cindy, or anyone else what they'll offer Diana. And Diana can't even command the kind of money she used to either...she actually plays in casinos now.
    They were always paid equally at Motown. You know that is when they were the top group in the World. It worked then, it would work now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    They were always paid equally at Motown. You know that is when they were the top group in the World. It worked then, it would work now.
    True, but at Motown they were equal stars [[as Supremes). Their post Supremes careers aren't comparable in any logical way. Michael Jackson and Tito Jackson were paid the same at Motown but I hardly doubt that if MJ were alive today that he and Tito would get the same amount of money for going on tour together. That's just the business.

    I would love to see these two still very active singers reunite in the thing that first brought them together. A television special [[like an awards show) might be a good place, as would some type of charity event. A tour is out of the question. I don't think the public's interest is enough to warrant it anymore. But even if they never come together in song again we still have their great body of work as the Supremes, which should always overshadow this RTL crap revisit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    True, but at Motown they were equal stars [[as Supremes). Their post Supremes careers aren't comparable in any logical way. Michael Jackson and Tito Jackson were paid the same at Motown but I hardly doubt that if MJ were alive today that he and Tito would get the same amount of money for going on tour together. That's just the business.

    I would love to see these two still very active singers reunite in the thing that first brought them together. A television special [[like an awards show) might be a good place, as would some type of charity event. A tour is out of the question. I don't think the public's interest is enough to warrant it anymore. But even if they never come together in song again we still have their great body of work as the Supremes, which should always overshadow this RTL crap revisit.
    You talk as if they were to be performing on different stages. As the Supremes you have to have Mary Wilson and in this case Cindy Birdsong since it was billed as "Diana Ross & the Supremes". They were being presented as a group. Berry Gordy would have paid them the same amount equally. SFX was a bunch of fools and we all laughed hard when this tour was cancelled in a most public way.........LOL!

    SFX was not willing to leave any of their money on the table, nor was Diana Ross. Why expect Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imakicola View Post
    Mary wanted a third. She even said in an interview she would need to be paid as a third. She wanted creative input. And to be an equal. That'll never happen! We all want a reunion but most people want Diana to be the center of it all, and given Diana's star cred, Mary will never ever be offered anywhere close to what Diana will. I don't know if Mary would still need a third now...it shouldn't be about money. They should just reunite for a performance at the Grammys or a Motown special again, it doesn't have to be a monetized tour! Money makes everything messy. Mary is my favorite Supreme but let's be honest here...the promoters will never offer Mary, Cindy, or anyone else what they'll offer Diana. And Diana can't even command the kind of money she used to either...she actually plays in casinos now.
    I don't know if you have followed Diana Ross' career but she has always played casinos even and the height of her popularity!! She is one of the highest paid singers at these casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detmotownguy View Post
    Yeah Marv, after all, all Mary had to do was show up lol!
    So funny you remember that Jon lol

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    Didn't Diana, Mary, Flo and Cindy paid equally in the 60's because Diana and Berry insisted that the contracts remained that way and to avoid any animosity withing the group. After Diana left was when the salaries change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    You talk as if they were to be performing on different stages. As the Supremes you have to have Mary Wilson and in this case Cindy Birdsong since it was billed as "Diana Ross & the Supremes". They were being presented as a group. Berry Gordy would have paid them the same amount equally. SFX was a bunch of fools and we all laughed hard when this tour was cancelled in a most public way.........LOL!

    SFX was not willing to leave any of their money on the table, nor was Diana Ross. Why expect Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong to do so?
    I hate I'm allowing myself to stay in this mess, despite a million posts ago when I said there was no point. But anyway, something just isn't adding up with my business sense. If Diana Ross is actually investing in the tour [[using her own money to make things happen), and Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong are being paid 4 million bucks and not being asked to spend a penny, what exactly was the problem again?

    This tour crashed and burned because the childish egos of the two original legendary Supremes refused to take a backseat to grown woman common sense. After everything that had transpired between these women in the years between Motown 25 and the tour [[aside from their conversation after the death of Mary's son), they needed to have an airing out session. Too many people underestimate the importance of clearing the air. I see it everyday along with the problems that continually arise from things not dealt with. They should have locked themselves up in a hotel suite somewhere, laid all their interpersonal issues on the table, screamed, cussed, smack the ish out of the other, cried, purged, hugged and then moved on to the question of "How do we get this thing off the ground so that it's beneficial for everyone involved?".

    Instead Diana tried to act like this was a normal business venture, Mary took her opportunity to find the power she feels like she never had when Ross was in the group the first time around, and then Diana got childish and decided she would show Mary who's boss and go out on the tour with "Mary's Supremes" instead. And as a result many of the fans felt shafted. Diana's reputation took a hit. Mary still hasn't garnered 4 million for anything since. And worst of all, Cindy got lost in the shuffle.

    And rabid Supremes fans have something to argue about for the next 17 years. Oh joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    I hate I'm allowing myself to stay in this mess, despite a million posts ago when I said there was no point. But anyway, something just isn't adding up with my business sense. If Diana Ross is actually investing in the tour [[using her own money to make things happen), and Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong are being paid 4 million bucks and not being asked to spend a penny, what exactly was the problem again?

    This tour crashed and burned because the childish egos of the two original legendary Supremes refused to take a backseat to grown woman common sense. After everything that had transpired between these women in the years between Motown 25 and the tour [[aside from their conversation after the death of Mary's son), they needed to have an airing out session. Too many people underestimate the importance of clearing the air. I see it everyday along with the problems that continually arise from things not dealt with. They should have locked themselves up in a hotel suite somewhere, laid all their interpersonal issues on the table, screamed, cussed, smack the ish out of the other, cried, purged, hugged and then moved on to the question of "How do we get this thing off the ground so that it's beneficial for everyone involved?".

    Instead Diana tried to act like this was a normal business venture, Mary took her opportunity to find the power she feels like she never had when Ross was in the group the first time around, and then Diana got childish and decided she would show Mary who's boss and go out on the tour with "Mary's Supremes" instead. And as a result many of the fans felt shafted. Diana's reputation took a hit. Mary still hasn't garnered 4 million for anything since. And worst of all, Cindy got lost in the shuffle.

    And rabid Supremes fans have something to argue about for the next 17 years. Oh joy.

    RanRan, its real pitiful when you think of it. Miss Ross and Miss Wilson have moved on and Miss Birdson forgive both ladies in 2001 but a few fans take it real personally and I truly believe when they leave this here earth there very last words will be Diane......RTLllllllll sigh or Mary RTLllllllllsigh I wish I was joking but thats how serious and personal this cr*p is to them. It shouldnt be but it is. Smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    I hate I'm allowing myself to stay in this mess, despite a million posts ago when I said there was no point. But anyway, something just isn't adding up with my business sense. If Diana Ross is actually investing in the tour [[using her own money to make things happen), and Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong are being paid 4 million bucks and not being asked to spend a penny, what exactly was the problem again?
    Problem was they were suppose to give Mary her right amount of money and maybe we would not have had to shut that tour down! LOL! Shut it down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberta75 View Post
    RanRan, its real pitiful when you think of it. Miss Ross and Miss Wilson have moved on and Miss Birdson forgive both ladies in 2001 but a few fans take it real personally and I truly believe when they leave this here earth there very last words will be Diane......RTLllllllll sigh or Mary RTLllllllllsigh I wish I was joking but thats how serious and personal this cr*p is to them. It shouldnt be but it is. Smh.
    Sadly, you may be right. Not sure why any fan takes these things personally. Do they not have actual issues going on in their lives? I know I sure do. Discussing RTL is cool, but I aint taking this bulls**t personally, especially if Diana and Mary aint losing no sleep over it. Now this time I'm going to take Mary's advice for real: time to move on. Is there an ignore thread feature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    Problem was they were suppose to give Mary her right amount of money and maybe we would not have had to shut that tour down! LOL! Shut it down!
    Well that doesn't actually answer my question, but if you had a ball "shutting" it down, I'm glad you were able to get that kick. LOL See ya in another thread Marv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Well that doesn't actually answer my question, but if you had a ball "shutting" it down, I'm glad you were able to get that kick. LOL See ya in another thread Marv.
    No one really believed me at the time when I said it was going to happened, well folks on Long Island were not having it. I don't think it even sold out in Detroit either.
    Last edited by marv2; 04-13-2017 at 07:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RanRan79 View Post
    Well that doesn't actually answer my question, but if you had a ball "shutting" it down, I'm glad you were able to get that kick. LOL See ya in another thread Marv.
    They weren't going to pay Mary Wilson or Cindy Birdsong $4 million. They started off by offering Cindy something like $ 850,000 and by the time Mary was finished with them she had gotten them up to $ 4million for herself and something around $ 2 million for Cindy when Diane said no, the train has already left the station.....! Yeah it had left the station and ran into a brick wall! LOL!

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    Lol. And it derailed too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    Lol. And it derailed too!
    All off into the grass.......hehehehehehehehehehe!

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    Cho cho boo boo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    cho cho boo boo!
    lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    what is so beautiful was when Diana said she would find another way to reconnect to the fans since that is what RTL was about and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, reconnect she did !!!!! She has been touting her butt off and the reviews have been outstanding.

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    just to add in some facts....the promoters offered MW 2 million and Cindy 1. but DR doubled that amount to 4 Million. it was DR who offered her more to sign on to do the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddh View Post
    just to add in some facts....the promoters offered MW 2 million and Cindy 1. but DR doubled that amount to 4 Million. it was DR who offered her more to sign on to do the tour.
    Yes this is what I heard too.

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    Here's the full page ad which was in our local newspaper [[Atlanta Journal Constitution). I have this secured in a framed poster. Name:  Return to Love 2000.jpg
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    That's pretty cool, jobucats, thanks for sharing! Nice to have that kind of memorabilia. Wish I did.

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    I as well! I did have that ad for a while, from the Sunday NY Times, for the MSG show, which was excellent!

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    I will refrain from participating in the pettiness on display in this thread - it's just not my style.

    However, I will say what a missed opportunity this was for everyone involved.

    This could have been a truly legendary reunion/tour.

    Truly sad.

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    I thought the ad campaign for RTL was quite nice [[see poster above) but the tour book was lacking IMO; in both it and the resulting shows' video screens there was zero Supremes-specific retro/nostalgic photos, videos, etc. On one hand it was nice as it made RTL its "own" show and not just a nostalgia-fest but a nostalgia-fest is what people wanted! At least they wore the "Reflections" dresses and sang the "Copa" song but had it been Mary and Cindy I can only imagine what the show had been like retro-wise - it was called RETURN To Love, after all! Oh, what could have been...

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