I tried to find the cover art, but found this thread from 2014 instead:
https://soulfuldetroit.com/showthrea...tions-LP-Cover
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I tried to find the cover art, but found this thread from 2014 instead:
https://soulfuldetroit.com/showthrea...tions-LP-Cover
It makes sense that Florence was on the cover. Even though she was fired from the Supremes, she was still under contract to Motown. Diana was still mentioning her in some of the early interviews as well. In addition she was on the first two DRATS singles A and B sides plus they pulled a Meet the Supremes song for the B-side of Forever Came today. Having said all of this I think they wanted to be she was gone and that Cindy would really work before they really moved on. I think Flo signed her release around February of 68 or so. Reflections the album was released in March. By this time Cindy was fully in place so it was safe to remove Flo and consequently try to erase her
Just throwing this thought out there. What if instead of "Reflections" [[Expanded), "Love Child" [[Expanded), "Let the Sunshine In" [[Expanded) and "Cream of the Crop" [[Expanded) that the route taken is similar to what was done with the '70s Supremes with a two-part anthology. Part One could have "Reflections" and "Love Child" along with "Talk of the Town" and perhaps other live material. And Part Two could be "Let the Sunshine In" and "Cream of the Crop" along with an expanded "Farewell."
Just wondering if that is something under consideration by Andy, George, etc.
^one difference between the DRATS albums and the 70s albums is that the actual albums themselves for DRATS are available digitally today whereas the 70s had not been released. you can go right now to itunes and download all 4 albums. Now if there are some audio differences between mono and stereo, those are not captured. and of course all of the editorial content and unreleased material..
but similar to your idea might be doing some sort of L&F overview of the DRATS era
Maniac wants everything released and is grateful. He has passed the Motown /Supremes litmus test!
There are ... good quality too c/w bookletsAttachment 14538
Includes the Mono & Stereo albums, a few bonus tracks and a live set "Live In Europe, 1968 - At the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam, 4th March 1968"
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Hi —
Without sounding ungrateful for the expanded “Sing H-D-H,” I am wondering if anyone has seen/read anything about “Reflections Expanded”? I am not on Facebook so am not able to view posts/hints there. I don’t know if George Solomon will see this thread, but I would appreciate any kind of update. Thank you very much.
I can just say we're working hard to continue the expanded editions. Creatively, it's not a problem. Where Universal is concerned it's a waiting game for all of us. Please know that if there's something official to announce we will happily do it!
I am assuming that Reflections was originally released in march 1968, I am assuming that this may come around march 2019. just guessing of course.
I am hoping we get more Kevin Reeves mixs and less live sets.
thanks you George and team for all U do
unfortunately most of the released really aren't being timed with any corresponding original release date. a few of them have but seems like more are coming out whenever Universal seems to get them scheduled.
George, thank you very much! I am sure when the expanded edition is released that it will be excellent. Thank you again for taking the time to respond.
Some information here on future releases
http://www.soulmusic.com/motown-spotlight-october-2018/
When you look at the overall catalog, from "Meet the Supremes" up to "Relections", this is where things really start to get good. You've got Flo's departure, the end of HDH, the name change of Supremes to DRATS, the amping up of the Andantes.....historically, what an important release.
Hi Mr. George!
It may be a moot point, but is there anything the fans can do? Short of a letter writing campaign or flooding someone's email or hashtagging on Twitter, can our voices assist at all in getting your hard work to see the light of day? I know that sales [[good or bad) speak for themselves, but perhaps there's something other than posting here that can help the process?
Maybe someone could help me to clarify, my version of "Reflections" are ending with spoken words "Reflections" and no fade out. Is that the extended stero mix which is here mentioned or it´s another one?
Further questions to the experts, is there maybe a live version of "Forever came today" in the faults ?
Thanx for help and any answers
originally the song was going to have a stop ending. the original version did NOT repeat the choruses but went straight into ending. on the version on the #1, if you cut from 2:30 to 3:02 or so, that's how the song would have run.
the original also had the "all in vain, reflections remain" backing vocals at the end of the bridge.
it's interesting to hear the different versions, although i think the released one was the best.
As for Forever, the closest we currently have to a live version is the one on Ed Sullivan. I actually think the girls are all singing live, which is unusual. the handclaps by M and C certainly sound live and Diana is singing live into her mic. It's possible that they incorporated the song into their live shows for a period but they might not have. it was pretty clear pretty quickly that the song was not going to be a smash.
^very cool! so maybe they will be able to include some live content in a Reflections Expanded release
the Sullivan version is interesting in that M and C don't even attempt to figure out the backing vocals and just sing Ahhhhhh.
There have been some old posts over the years here trying to decipher what the hell the andantes are saying. But it’s a challenge. I can’t remember exactly what it is but something along the lines of “I got a man” and some other lines. But yeah. For the show they just kept Ahhh-ing lol
Yes, I was the one who ask for the backround vocals as "MrLonleyheart", there are:
Ah, ah-hah. Now I've got my love at last.
Ah, ah-hah, Now my loneliness has passed.
At that time it was the greatest dissapointment for me, that no Supreme were on the record, only Diana. I recognized this, as I heard the live version on Ed Sullivan, so it would be interesting to know, if any live version exists by the group, where the girls sing the above mentioned vocals in the backround.
SAD!! Future release plans are “sketchy” [[REFLECTIONS) and there are cans of unreleased Diana material.
My reading: The work involved won’t make Motown/Ume enough money, i.e., “follow the money!!l”. So many fans are disappointed. Three cheers for “bootlegs!” At least we get something!
using basic business knowledge, if a product is profitable then produce more of it. if it is not profitable, explore cost reduction methods or cancel the product.
here's a list of all of the various expanded and reissued that have come out for the Sups/Diana:
2001 - Diana Anthology
2002 - 70s Anthology
2002 - R&H complete recordings
2002 - Diana 70 expanded edition
2003 - #1's
2003 - Diana 1980 expanded
2003 - To Love Again expanded
2004 - There's a Place For Us released
2004 - Sups & Tempts complete duets
2004 - Where Did Our Love Go expanded
2006 - Blue
2006 - Reflections dvd set
2006 - Jean Terrell box set
2007 - Last Time I Saw Him expanded
2008 - Everything is Everything expanded
2008 - Surrender expanded
2008 - Lost & Found Sups
2009 - Magnificent duets
2009 - Touch Me in the AM expanded
2010 - meet Sups expanded set
2011 - Sups on Ed Sullivan dvd
2011 - Let Yourself Go set
2011 - 50th Anniver Singles set
2011 - More hits expanded
2012 - I Hear A Symphony expanded
2012 - Copa expanded
2012 - Ross expanded
2014 - rerelease of all Sups and Diana lps
2014 - Baby It's me expanded
2014 - Funny Girl
2015 - Diana RCA albums expanded editions
2015 - Diana Wiz
2015 - Sup Merry Xmas
2017 - A Go Go
2018 - Sing HDH
this is a significant list of product and so logic would tell us that there'll be another release. they more or less seem to get one in every 12 - 18 months. Since HDH came out in April 2018, i'm guessing they probably won't have another release for us until well into 2019
While I would normally support this statement, I know from fact that many companies now take into consideration how much profit they will make and if the amount is not large enough then they aren't willing to put in the work. I believe that is what is holding things up. It's not that these releases don't make a profit, but that they don't make enough profit.
^completely agree. it isn't always a positive/negative profit analysis but what project[[s) will bring in the most profit and return. So it could be that other projects generate more than Motown or Sup stuff.
Still though my overall point is that we've received a LOT of rare vaulted content on the Supremes. to have 35 releases over 17 years from an artist is amazing and the releases have, generally, been evenly paced. it's not as though things have dramatically dwindled in the last few years. so i don't know that there's any extreme evidence that we won't get more. but you never know. management changes, changing tastes or priorities, etc.
100%. Unfortunately the music industry is a very different place from what it was, even 5 years ago.
The next item on my music purchase list is to buy a second copy of the Sing HDH Expanded release from Amazon UK, as the price on there is quite affordable. I already have a copy that I purchased upon its initial release, but I like to compare this to making a pledge to public television. If you want to see more of a similar style of content, the guys in charge need to see that there is enough of a desire and support for it. Everything helps.
for a while , things were coming out like clockwork but , as we know, things changed a few years ago. i believe motown universal merged with another company ....i think....and things changed. now the releases seem to slowly come out like a heinz ketchup commercial. it seems we get a ross solo release and one supremes per year but even now that is not certain. it seems thy have been holding ROSS 78 hostage for years.
but I have always felt that they have always kept the Supremes releases top secret. I never have understood this and always thought it would be easy to just release a statement stating next release Reflections march 2019 etc but obviously universal seems to have other plans. I don't think they have the Motown fans as a priority.
my guess we wont see anything until next year,sadly
I'm hoping Universal still hears us. "Reflections Expanded Edition" would be a great Spring Surprise.
Motown 60 is the perfect opportunity to start those releases coming!
Diana has done some high profile events as of late and quite a few more on the calendar.
The iron is hot!
It would be wonderful to get Ross 78 for all the celebrations for Diana Ross' birthday. Grammy celebration, Central Park theatrical release, etc. Ross 78 would be the icing on the cake.
from your lips to gods ears
I am hoping the same. it would be a great 2019 with the release of Ross78 and Reflections .
with her personal appearances her sales are up recently.
would love to see what Kevin Reeves does with Forever Came Today. I always felt it sounded like a demo. theres a version on the Japanese hits cd that is a bit different.
I have become a huge fan of kevin reeves work