Sept 2, 1997 LA Times: Wilson vs. Motown, Ragland and Others

Yes, Miss Ross got a lot of bad press - at the time, I didn't know the whole story - but I did find it odd that SFX was ADDING shows after it knew sales in many markets were less than brisk. After 20/20 aired, I was shocked when Portland and a few other shows got added. I do some work with tour companies [[end of tour gifts like Paul McCartney's 275 toiletry bags - all leather removed) and was told that, although sales here were dismal - SFX said the show would definitely play and they were planning to drape off 75% of The Rose Garden so the show wouldn't look empty. Portland would have made Columbus look like a huge success! Are you aware that Mary was still trying to get on the tour even after it started? Kicked to the curb? Nah....... you must be thinking of both Sophisticated Ladies tours: the original Equity flop and the second,"Scab Tour" flop. No bad press. No one going on talk shows bad mouthing it and spreading lies trying desperately to persuade the public not to go. Just no interest in Mary doing The Duke. Imagine if all those people you claim stayed home because Mary wasn't on RTL went to SEE Mary - Sophisticated Ladies would still be running! Their loss, actually, cuz she sings the songs well.

What i was trying to say,the guys who produced Former Ladies Of The Supremes,back in the day,have sold these tracks to many different company's,Scherrie and Lynda did not own none of the tracks,the producer did,so he could sell them to who ever he wanted to,Scherrie or Lynda could not stop it,like i said,i'm 100% sure Scherrie or Lynda had nothing to do with selling these tracks,and they had nothing to do with the cover,or the name,The Supremes bein' on the cover of the cd's,blame the producer,but don't blame Scherrie or Lynda,i'm gonna say it again,Motown didn't go after the company,that released these cd's,so don't trip
Please stay positive

What do you think about the fact that the acronym [[FLOS) is obviously playing on the name of arguably the most famous of former Supremes, Florence Ballard? Do you think that's intentional or just a coincidence? Either way, is it amusing or in bad taste? I find it a bit of both but imagine it gets missed by a lot of people anyway. I skimmed the above posts and didn't see this mentioned but may have missed it...

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What do you think about the fact that the acronym [[FLOS) is obviously playing on the name of arguably the most famous of former Supremes, Florence Ballard? Do you think that's intentional or just a coincidence? Either way, is it amusing or in bad taste? I find it a bit of both but imagine it gets missed by a lot of people anyway. I skimmed the above posts and didn't see this mentioned but may have missed it...

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I think it is sadly ironic and in very poor taste in light of the fact that Florence Ballard founded the group but was forbidden to say that she was a Supreme.

Marv, you are just like the most conservative Republicans ~ locked into archaic views and forced into stupid positions by rigid ideas unsupported by facts.

It is fairly clear Scherrie and Lynda have nothing to do with these misleading CDs that were not of very good quality and which did not sell much at all. Let it go and let them go. The real problem is not that Mary Wilson lost some gigs and money and CD sales to the FLOS, the real problem is that she did not have a successful solo career, nor did she even have one hit on her own. Bitching about Scherrie and Lynda and every other potential minute issue doesn't fix it. If Diana Ross has no issue with them singing HER songs, Mary shouldn't either. In the past Mary just had a problem with EVERYTHING; but even she gave it up.

You don't have the Court documents; you never can back up 80% of what you say. All just blustery BS.

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You so funny! LOL! It's not my version. I have seen the Court documents and still have a copy of them! I wasn't there, I was in New York at the time, but I have the documents.

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Marv, post the Court documents.

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You don't know the half of it! hehehehehehehehe...........

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Marv, post the Court documents.

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Wait a minute! Let me make sure I understand you correctly. YOU, Jobeterob are asking ME, Marv to do you a favor? WA! LOL!!!!!! You are so hilarious! LOL!!!!
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Marv,You don't have the Court documents; you never can back up 80% of what you say. All just blustery BS.

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Rob, Marv does have a knack of giving us partial info and telling us we don’t know the half of it When we ask him for the other half, he says its none of our business or he wasn't talking to us or we don't need to know or – well, you get it, he has a whole catalogue of excuses to not tell us the “other half of it”

Marv knew about the planned MOTOWN 50 TV SPECIAL that never happened before it never happened. He heard the 5th Dimension’s Love Hangover before it was ever recorded, and so it is possible that he has the court documents and had them in his possession even before they were printed. I would never attempt to state something on this board that I couldn’t then back up if challenged. But on this board, Marv seems to be omnipotent and can say anything he wants. The moderator has already instructed us not to challenge anything that he states.

So Rob, don't hold your breath waiting for Marv to prove something that he stated here as gospel.

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Marv, you are just like the most conservative Republicans ~ locked into archaic views and forced into stupid positions by rigid ideas unsupported by facts.

It is fairly clear Scherrie and Lynda have nothing to do with these misleading CDs that were not of very good quality and which did not sell much at all. Let it go and let them go. The real problem is not that Mary Wilson lost some gigs and money and CD sales to the FLOS, the real problem is that she did not have a successful solo career, nor did she even have one hit on her own. Bitching about Scherrie and Lynda and every other potential minute issue doesn't fix it. If Diana Ross has no issue with them singing HER songs, Mary shouldn't either. In the past Mary just had a problem with EVERYTHING; but even she gave it up.

You don't have the Court documents; you never can back up 80% of what you say. All just blustery BS.

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I think the fact that you NOW have a problem with us discussing this subject when YOU are the one that started this thread makes you look irrational as HELL!

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I think the fact that you NOW have a problem with us discussing this subject when YOU are the one that started this thread makes you look irrational as HELL!

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He was trying to discuss it , but you cut him short by saying it was hilarious that he expected you to answer.

I never could understand these various lawsuits among the Supremes. How nice it would have been if you shared with us what you found in the court records.

Why even bring it up and you don't back it up?

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You don't have the Court documents; you never can back up 80% of what you say. All just blustery BS.

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Oh I have the documents! [[You'd be surprised at who all was named in the action.....). You sound like an immature child on the playground upset because the others won't share their toys with you, so you throw a tantrum and say things like their toys are nothing but junk anyway.....

For years I've watch you say all kinds of untrue things about me on here. Most of the time I cry with laughter at your audacity to pretend you know anything about me at all. You don't know me remember?

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Oh I have the documents! [[You'd be surprised at who all was named in the action.....). You sound like an immature child on the playground upset because the others won't share their toys with you, so you throw a tantrum and say things like their toys are nothing but junk anyway.....

For years I've watch you say all kinds of untrue things about me on here. Most of the time I cry with laughter at your audacity to pretend you know anything about me at all. You don't know me remember?

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So, show us that you are the dude with the documents, impress us, and we will be impressed...............POST THE DOCUMENTS and skip the Milven directed rhetoric!

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So, show us that you are the dude with the documents, impress us, and we will be impressed...............POST THE DOCUMENTS and skip the Milven directed rhetoric!

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If you only knew how very little respect I have for you, you would be embarassed to think that I would in any way , shape or form want to impress YOU? LOL!!!! You're killin' me here, hehehehehehehe..........

I don't think it is impossible for someone to have these documents. I remember seeing them myself on the net a few years ago.

Court documents are generally available for a fee from the Courthouse where the filing occurred.

Marv just doesn't have them, as we all expected.

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Marv, you are just like the most conservative Republicans ~ locked into archaic views and forced into stupid positions by rigid ideas unsupported by facts.

It is fairly clear Scherrie and Lynda have nothing to do with these misleading CDs that were not of very good quality and which did not sell much at all. Let it go and let them go. The real problem is not that Mary Wilson lost some gigs and money and CD sales to the FLOS, the real problem is that she did not have a successful solo career, nor did she even have one hit on her own. Bitching about Scherrie and Lynda and every other potential minute issue doesn't fix it. If Diana Ross has no issue with them singing HER songs, Mary shouldn't either. In the past Mary just had a problem with EVERYTHING; but even she gave it up.

You don't have the Court documents; you never can back up 80% of what you say. All just blustery BS.

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Well those songs aren’t Diana’s either. She didn’t write them [[other than co writing credits on Work That Body and a couple of others) and I doubt she owns the publishing rights. So it’s incorrect to say the Supremes hits are “her songs”.

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What do you think about the fact that the acronym [[FLOS) is obviously playing on the name of arguably the most famous of former Supremes, Florence Ballard? Do you think that's intentional or just a coincidence? Either way, is it amusing or in bad taste? I find it a bit of both but imagine it gets missed by a lot of people anyway. I skimmed the above posts and didn't see this mentioned but may have missed it...

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Shantal Baker, not Florence Ballard, is the most famous former Supreme.

LOL, smark21!

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Well those songs aren’t Diana’s either. She didn’t write them [[other than co writing credits on Work That Body and a couple of others) and I doubt she owns the publishing rights. So it’s incorrect to say the Supremes hits are “her songs”.

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None of those songs are Diana Ross'. He is clearly delusional.......

Sorry, Marv, you are incorrect here all over the place. First, Florence didn't "found" the group. Milton Jenkins did. He asked Flo to join the group he was forming and to bring anyone she thought would fit. Second: Flo wasn't "forbidden" to say she was a Supreme - Flo AGREED not to bill herself professionally as a former Supreme. She chose that billing decision for a cash payment. It's sad she had such stupid, greedy people around her, but no one held a gun to her head to agree to those silly terms or to sign with ABC without a clear plan. She was my very own dear, sweet Flo and no one loved her as much as me but she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not sharp enough to see her post Supremes career, not sharp enough to get a real manager, not sharp enough to found a group nor sharp enough, I don't think, to recognize who stood to gain if she left The Supremes. I do not mind the moniker "The Flos" - it seems like kind of a tribute to the great Florence Ballard. I don't know a single person who saw them live that wasn't knocked out by her.

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I think it is sadly ironic and in very poor taste in light of the fact that Florence Ballard founded the group but was forbidden to say that she was a Supreme.

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Sorry, Marv, you are incorrect here all over the place. First, Florence didn't "found" the group. Milton Jenkins did. He asked Flo to join the group he was forming and to bring anyone she thought would fit. Second: Flo wasn't "forbidden" to say she was a Supreme - Flo AGREED not to bill herself professionally as a former Supreme. She chose that billing decision for a cash payment. It's sad she had such stupid, greedy people around her, but no one held a gun to her head to agree to those silly terms or to sign with ABC without a clear plan. She was my very own dear, sweet Flo and no one loved her as much as me but she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not sharp enough to see her post Supremes career, not sharp enough to get a real manager, not sharp enough to found a group nor sharp enough, I don't think, to recognize who stood to gain if she left The Supremes. I do not mind the moniker "The Flos" - it seems like kind of a tribute to the great Florence Ballard. I don't know a single person who saw them live that wasn't knocked out by her.

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Nah, you are wrong and I'm going to tell you! Milton Jenkins was hanging around trying to get at Maxine Ballard [[Florence's sister). He heard Florence singing. He told her he had a group of guys that sang and would like to have a girl group as well to manage. He asked Flo if she could put together some girls for him. She agreed. That is how she got the idea that she was the "leader". She told Mary Wilson, who told this new bugged eyed girl from across the street named Diane Ross. Diane's daddy said NO, and wanted to doo-doo all over Diane's hopes of being in a group. In steps Paul Williams at Mary's & Diane's insistance to have a talk with good ole Fred aka "Mr. Ross". Paul was dating this hot chick named Betty.......so naturally he wanted her included in the group that became the Primettes. That's how it happened! Florence started that group as a favor for her sister's boyfriend and because she wanted to sing in a group herself.

Florence was forbidden to call herself or refer to her prior membership in the Supremes singing group by a legal document forced on her at her seperation meeting from Motown Records. It had nothing to do with Flo being stupid, greedy people around her or elves that stole from her stocking. That is all Diana Ross fans bullshit that people like you keep repeating over and over. That will never make it the truth!

Florence was a young woman vs a corporation that had quite a bit of power at the time. They treated her so badly that she just wanted to get away from them........clean!

You are lying about the part about Florence choosing or agreeing to not ever billing herself as a former Supreme for a cash settlement. In fact, she had no say so , or bargaining with Motown over her seperation settlement clauses and restrictions. Michael Roshkind showed up at Northland with the final documents already in hand which was the first time Florence Ballard even heard about Motown's restrictions on her. It broke her heart. Further proof that she did not "agree" to not being able to say she was ever in the Supremes is in the 1971 lawsuit she filed against Berry, Motown and the Supremes. In it, she requested that THEY not be able to use the name! Now those are the facts.

You may now continue bullshitting the uninformed or novice members of this forum now ......... Just know that there is someone here watching that knows the truth and the facts. You, Supremester really should be paying me for all of this free education I am giving you.

I'm just going to repost what I wrote on 1-12-2013.

01-12-2013, 12:05 PM #5 skooldem1

Dreamgirl pg. 30

She [[Flo) had been approached by a member of a male vocal trio called the Primes and their manager, Milton Jenkins, about forming a "sister" group to perform with his clients. Two other girls had already been recruited.

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Up in Milton's room- a bachelor suite he shared with the Primes- I was one of four nervous young girls. There was me; Flo; Paul Williams girlfriend, Betty McGlown, a tall, pretty, dark-skinned girl who seemed a little older; and a fourth girl, about my age, with large, luminous brown eyes- my new friend Diane Ross.

The Primettes were never Flos' group. She was asked to be in it and help fill out the roster- So she invited Mary. As Mary says in her book, 2 other girls had already been chosen.

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After reading this again, I have to add what I left out, and what may be the most important evidence.

On pg. 30 of "Dreamgirl"

"She grabbed my arm and asked excitedly. "Mary, do you want to be in a singing group with me AND TWO OTHER GIRLS"

It appears that Mary was the last girl to be invited to this group. Florence and the other girls had already been recruited. Diana may have been the last one to get the permission from her parents/her dad to actually join, but she certainly wasn't the last one to get invited.

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I'm just going to repost what I wrote on 1-12-2013.

01-12-2013, 12:05 PM #5 skooldem1

Dreamgirl pg. 30

She [[Flo) had been approached by a member of a male vocal trio called the Primes and their manager, Milton Jenkins, about forming a "sister" group to perform with his clients. Two other girls had already been recruited.

Mary Wilson was not there the day Milton Jenkins was over at the Ballards house!

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Up in Milton's room- a bachelor suite he shared with the Primes- I was one of four nervous young girls. There was me; Flo; Paul Williams girlfriend, Betty McGlown, a tall, pretty, dark-skinned girl who seemed a little older; and a fourth girl, about my age, with large, luminous brown eyes- my new friend Diane Ross.

Mary is right about this. She describes Diane as her new friend because she was the one that ask Diane to join them in the group to begin with. [

The Primettes were never Flos' group. She was asked to be in it and help fill out the roster- So she invited Mary. As Mary says in her book, 2 other girls had already been chosen.

[I don't know if these are your comments or someone elses. They are certainly not those of Mary Wilson's.
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After reading this again, I have to add what I left out, and what may be the most important evidence.

On pg. 30 of "Dreamgirl"

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This is not true nor accurate!


It appears that Mary was the last girl to be invited to this group. Florence and the other girls had already been recruited. Diana may have been the last one to get the permission from her parents/her dad to actually join, but she certainly wasn't the last one to get invited.

Poor summation. Mary Wilson was NOT the last girl chosen to be in the Primettes. She was second after Florence who recruited her. Right after Flo asked Mary if she was interested, Mary went and asked her mother, Miss Johnnie Mae if she could be in Flo's group, the Primettes. To which Mrs. Wilson responded "What is a Primate?"! LOL!

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In the words of Mary Wilson:

"She grabbed my arm and asked excitedly. "Mary, do you want to be in a singing group with me AND TWO OTHER GIRLS"

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Nah, you are wrong and I'm going to tell you! Milton Jenkins was hanging around trying to get at Maxine Ballard [[Florence's sister). He heard Florence singing. He told her he had a group of guys that sang and would like to have a girl group as well to manage. He asked Flo if she could put together some girls for him. She agreed. That is how she got the idea that she was the "leader". She told Mary Wilson, who told this new bugged eyed girl from across the street named Diane Ross. Mary, in Dreamgirl and interviews has stated Diana Ross was AT the first meeting and that's how they officially met. In either case, had Milton Jenkins not wanted to bone a Ballard, there would have been a group called The Primettes only Mary & Flo may not have been involved. Mary didn't invite nobody. Diane's daddy said NO, and wanted to doo-doo all over Diane's hopes of being in a group. In steps Paul Williams at Mary's & Diane's insistance to have a talk with good ole Fred aka "Mr. Ross". Paul was dating this hot chick named Betty.......so naturally he wanted her included in the group that became the Primettes. That's how it happened! Florence started that group as a favor for her sister's boyfriend and because she wanted to sing in a group herself. The bug eyed girl got them looking sharp, dedicated to rehearsal, the audition and the contract.

Florence was forbidden to call herself or refer to her prior membership in the Supremes singing group by a legal document forced on her at her seperation meeting from Motown Records. It had nothing to do with Flo being stupid, greedy people around her or elves that stole from her stocking. That is all Diana Ross fans bullshit that people like you keep repeating over and over. That will never make it the truth! Dear, Florence hired an attorney. That attorney made a deal with Motown. That deal included money coming to Florence and agreements. One of those agreements was that Flo not bill herself professionally as a former Supreme. She, through her attorney, for a cash payment, agreed. She also agreed to sign away all future royalties. She was not forced by anyone to do this. It was a stupid, short-sighted agreement to get a big payment up front that the attorney could run off with and that's what happened.

Florence was a young woman vs a corporation that had quite a bit of power at the time. They treated her so badly that she just wanted to get away from them........clean!
It's clear that Flo wanted to get away clean, and that she did. It's not Motown's fault that she "just wanted to get away."
You are lying about the part about Florence choosing or agreeing to not ever billing herself as a former Supreme for a cash settlement. In fact, she had no say so , or bargaining with Motown over her seperation settlement clauses and restrictions. Michael Roshkind showed up at Northland with the final documents already in hand which was the first time Florence Ballard even heard about Motown's restrictions on her. It broke her heart. Mike Roshkind can show up with anything but it doesn't mean Flo had to agree to it. That document likely was created through negotiating with Flo's legal team. Legal documents never just fall from the sky - this was an AGREEMENT and as such, was AGREED to. Flo HAD power. She could have gone to the press. No one knew what she would do. I'm not lying about anything and I never do. YOU are the one with a Liar's Credentials. Shall I list them lies you've told here, MWOS, Youtube and elsewhere? Let's not call names as I love you very, very much . Further proof that she did not "agree" to not being able to say she was ever in the Supremes is in the 1971 lawsuit she filed against Berry, Motown and the Supremes. In it, she requested that THEY not be able to use the name! That makes no sense at all.........like less than none, but interesting. The fact that Flo sued doesn't make it real and, it was all thrown out anyway. Now those are the facts.

You may now continue bullshitting the uninformed or novice members of this forum now ......... Just know that there is someone here watching that knows the truth and the facts. You, Supremester really should be paying me for all of this free education I am giving you.

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Isn't my undying love enough - you want money, too? How about you come over and I'll cook dinner for just you and me?

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She's never repeated THAT version again........anywhere! She has always said that after that Jr. HS. talent show that Flo and she agreed that if anyone were to form a group to remember the other one. In this case it was Florence who was forming a group to be managed by Milton Jenkins. In countless interviews about that event, Mary has ALWAYS stated that after Florence was asked if she knew any girls that sang, her response was " Yeah! My new best friend Mary Wilson!" The order in which each girl came into Florence's group was: 1) Florence Ballard [[who recruited) 2). Mary Wilson [[who recruited) 3). Diane Ross. It has always been unclear as to when Betty McGlown was asked by Paul Williams. I wished that she were living to tell her story. I would even go and ask her cousin Pete, but he has since passed away as well.

In the words of Mary Wilson:

"She grabbed my arm and asked excitedly. "Mary, do you want to be in a singing group with me AND TWO OTHER GIRLS"

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Isn't my undying love enough - you want money, too? How about you come over and I'll cook dinner for just you and me?

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Careful Supremester you gonna make Luke real real jealous. hehehehehehehehehehehe

Mary was last and everyone knows it. So what? What has that got to do with anything? They all were there from day 1. Had Mary invited Miss Ross, she would certainly have described it in her book. She did not. Do you recall when, in MWOS that you said Mary got her Hollywood Palace because she "put her foot down and demanded it?" Then that morphed into "the assistant director wanted it"??? Then, when a member went to Mary who said it was hogwash, you screamed at them and kicked them out and they emailed members privately? I think this is one of those times where, certainly you feel strongly about something, but the facts are elsewhere.

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In the words of Mary Wilson:

"She grabbed my arm and asked excitedly. "Mary, do you want to be in a singing group with me AND TWO OTHER GIRLS"

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Not trying to get into a heated debate, but Florence already have the other two girls for the group or was she asking Mary join a group that would consist of herself and two other girls? Just asking because the four member group may have been the number of girls in the group but they may not have been selected when Flo approached Mary. Again, just asking if it is documented or assumed.

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Mary was last and everyone knows it. So what? What has that got to do with anything? They all were there from day 1. Had Mary invited Miss Ross, she would certainly have described it in her book. She did not. Do you recall when, in MWOS that you said Mary got her Hollywood Palace because she "put her foot down and demanded it?" Then that morphed into "the assistant director wanted it"??? Then, when a member went to Mary who said it was hogwash, you screamed at them and kicked them out and they emailed members privately? I think this is one of those times where, certainly you feel strongly about something, but the facts are elsewhere.

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That's all lies completely [[not to mention way off the subject here.....)

Mary doesn't even remember doing the Hollywood Palace and she doesn't use words like "hogwash"! Trust me........LOL!

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Not trying to get into a heated debate, but Florence already have the other two girls for the group or was she asking Mary join a group that would consist of herself and two other girls? Just asking because the four member group may have been the number of girls in the group but they may not have been selected when Flo approached Mary. Again, just asking if it is documented or assumed.

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Rod_rick, there were no two other girls when Florence approached Mary about forming a group. That was impossible since we know that Florence had never even met Diane Ross until Mary Wilson introduced her to Ross. The way the group was formed is how I broke it down in my earlier post above. When Flo was first asked by Milton to start a group, the first person she went to was Mary Wilson from school. Milton had not chosen any other girls either at that point which is why he asked Flo to do it one day on her family's front porch!

Dreamgirl pg. 30

She [[Flo) had been approached by a member of a male vocal trio called the Primes and their manager, Milton Jenkins, about forming a "sister" group to perform with his clients. Two other girls had already been recruited.

pg. 30

"She grabbed my arm and asked excitedly. "Mary, do you want to be in a singing group with me AND TWO OTHER GIRLS"

pg. 32

Up in Milton's room- a bachelor suite he shared with the Primes- I was one of four nervous young girls. There was me; Flo; Paul Williams girlfriend, Betty McGlown, a tall, pretty, dark-skinned girl who seemed a little older; and a fourth girl, about my age, with large, luminous brown eyes- my new friend Diane Ross.

Whenever Marv says you are lieing, it tends to mean "you got him", he's screwed again.

I'm going with Skooldem, Rod, Supremester, Roberta and all the sane guys.

Marv, they are freakin quoting she who's skirt you live up! Bend over buddy and take it like a man. It won't hurt.

You're busted. Um, Again.

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Whenever Marv says you are lieing, it tends to me "you got him", he's screwed again.

I'm going with Skooldem, Rod, Supremester, Roberta and all the sane guys.

Marv, they are freakin quoting she who's skirt you live up! Bend over buddy and take it like a man. It won't hurt.

You're busted. Um, Again.

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Jobeterob, go on back to sleep! You know so little about ANYTHING, to post so much on this forum it is embarrassing ! LOL!

Changing subjects from the oh-so-fascinating debate over which girl was the last one to join the Primettes—were the individual members of the Supremes that well known in 1967 if it was catastrophic for Flo’s solo career not to bill herself or refer to herself as a Supreme?

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Changing subjects from the oh-so-fascinating debate over which girl was the last one to join the Primettes—were the individual members of the Supremes that well known in 1967 if it was catastrophic for Flo’s solo career not to bill herself or refer to herself as a Supreme?

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Smark, YES! The individual members of the Supremes were very well known to the public by 1967. That myth that no one ever realized that it was Cindy Birdsong standing in for Florence at the Hollywood Bowl was way overblown! They had Cindy made up to look like Flo as much as possible [[check out the pics if you ever come across some from that show.)

The Supremes were still red hot in 1967.....probably the most famous American singing group. Using the fact that she was one of the Supremes could do nothing but help Florence's solo career. It would have hurt Motown if too many questions were asked as to why she was no longer with the group however...........

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Dreamgirl pg. 30

She [[Flo) had been approached by a member of a male vocal trio called the Primes and their manager, Milton Jenkins, about forming a "sister" group to perform with his clients. Two other girls had already been recruited.

pg. 30

"She grabbed my arm and asked excitedly. "Mary, do you want to be in a singing group with me AND TWO OTHER GIRLS"

pg. 32

Up in Milton's room- a bachelor suite he shared with the Primes- I was one of four nervous young girls. There was me; Flo; Paul Williams girlfriend, Betty McGlown, a tall, pretty, dark-skinned girl who seemed a little older; and a fourth girl, about my age, with large, luminous brown eyes- my new friend Diane Ross.

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Skooldem, you should know that you can repeat this a 1000 times, it will not turn it into the truth! LOL!

Those are Mary's words. Was she lying?

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Those are Mary's words. Was she lying?

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They maybe hers or her co-writer's words. Was she lying, of course not. She just was not remembering it right. If you have the time ,research all of the articles and interviews about this subject Mary has done over the years and you will find her saying exactly what I was saying above. Also, if you knew what all was involved in putting together her wonderful book, you would be beyond amazed! I cannot even touch that subject here or elsewhere, hehehehehehehe........!

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Originally Posted by marv2

They maybe hers or her co-writer's words. Was she lying, of course not. She just was not remembering it right. If you have the time ,research all of the articles and interviews about this subject Mary has done over the years and you will find her saying exactly what I was saying above. Also, if you knew what all was involved in putting together her wonderful book, you would be beyond amazed! I cannot even touch that subject here or elsewhere, hehehehehehehe........!

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Busted again Marv. Bend over and take it like a man! Can you do the "hehehehe" while bent over? That's for real real then.