Keith - any chances of a preview track listing yet?
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Keith - any chances of a preview track listing yet?
And cover shot!
I would think there would be someway to confirm what happened to the rest of the Monitors. There does seem to be some confusion. In the YouTube clip of the group performing at the Ponchatrain, I recognized only Warren Harris. The stout women performing with the group could not have been Sandra Fagin.
Amithesameboy said
To that I say just thatI see no form of contradiction in anything that I wrote, as just about about all of us know & fully understand what I describe as "vapid crap", as crap sounds exactly like what it is..."crap". But I'll attempt to summarize that particular genre & hopefully my definition will hold water.Quote:
This strikes me as an eminently sensible posting. But I fear you - sort of - contradict yourself on one point. To wit : " When music becomes nothing more than vapid crap, I can understand a lack of appreciation."
Who is to say what " vapid crap " is ? One man's " vapid crap " is probably someone else's " masterpiece ".
When a song speaks about nothing more than folks sitting on your johnson, you have created "vapid crap".
When a entire 4 minute song is based upon nothing but the protagonist talking about how they're so important that EVERYONE'S hating on them, that is some self-serving & likely VERY misguided..."vapid crap"
When you create songs which denigrate an entire gender with one big nasty brush, you have created "vapid crap"
When a song takes 4 minutes simply discussing blowing folks brains out, smoking blunts & screwing "Ho's", it is "vapid crap"
When a song is nothing more than a 4 minute lullaby POSING as some profound statement which will shake the earth to it's core, it is "vapid crap"
When 22 year-old people create songs which sound as though they've been crafted by pre-schoolers, which no self-respecting 6th grader would create, they have created "vapid crap"
And the thought that anyone over the age of 14 would consider anything of that sort to be either "deep", "profound", or "capturing the REAL" is one hell of an indictment of the state of the world in which we live.
There's nothing wrong with an occasional novelty song as they've been in existent all along. But when "novelty" becomes the new norm where precious little thought or skill goes into the crafting of the art of music, then there's simply something terribly amiss.
And no matter how I might try to defend it, I can't. And if anyone could possibly consider any of the example I've listed above, the likes of which can be found on just about any terrestrial radio station today to remotely resemble a "masterpiece", I'll simply say that they just don't make "masterpieces" like they used to. There's also the obvious fact that to deem "vapid crap" such as that to be on the same par as classics of the past, only serves to diminish music as a whole. In most things that I've ever seen, once crap becomes considered to be acceptable, it's guaranteed that we'll continued to be served crap. If ANY business can get away with cutting corners & offering subpar service, then it's been proven that it's downhill from there.
For proof, consider our society in which everything has been dumbed down to such an extent where folks have become "stars" for doing nothing more than acting like gangsters, tramps, acting like nasty jerks, deadbeat dads, airing their dirty laundry on tv & for behavior which SHOULD embarass any self-respecting 5th grader, much less any normal-thinking adult.
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Here's the Monitors' CD cover ...
And here's the track list:
Bring Back The Love
Share A Little Love With Me [[Somebody)
Step By Step [[Hand In Hand)
The Further You Look, The Less You See
Since I Lost You Girl
Baby Make Your Own Sweet Music
Greetings [[This Is Uncle Sam)
Time Is Passin' By
Say You
Number One In Your Heart
Serve Yourself A Cup Of Happiness
You Share The Blame
Too Busy Thinking About My Baby *
The Letter *
Poor Side Of Town *
Crying In The Night [alternate mix] *
My Love Grows Stronger *
It Only Happens When Love Is Gone *
Show Me You Can Dance *
You're So Fine And Sweet *
I'm In Love With You Baby *
Anything *
Guilty *
Cry [version 1] *
All For Someone
Don't Put Off Till Tomorrow What You Can Do Today
* previously unreleased
Looking GOOD! Great cover. Gooner love this..Paulo xxxx
looks great....thanks to ALL involved.
Great looking package and track list! We are so lucky to have companies like Ace and Hip-O to release this material. I think back on the many years all Motown did was repackage the same hits over and over and let all this great stuff just languish in the vaults. What a gold mine!
Oh, what a wonderful cover, and an intriguing playlist as well. Thanks again Keith for all the working putting down. Can't wait to get my hands on this one!
juicefree20 - couldn't have put it better myself [[although I am absolutely NOT applying that to 70's Motown, just so we're clear.) The Monitors are a case in point- if a group showed the performance of Monitors and the singing ability, they would stand out by a country mile. The Monitors were 'second-tier' back in the day, but compared to today's music it makes you realise how great they were. The wife was a Kanye West before we got together- she didn't realise he was a cover-artist [[and I use the word artist is a very special context which would normally be preceded by a four letter word beginning in 'p'.) The 60's had some true greats, I could chuck a dart at my record collection and hit a cd on which any song is better than today's offerings.
Can I ask another thing- what's going on with the dreadful choreographing? I was in the fish and chip shop today and they had a TV, with some young thing doing all sorts of convuluted movements that just looked so odd and contrived- don't get me wrong love the moves of dem tempts, but what is going on? Kids today aren't alright. Te-he!
Just finished this wallpaper, thought some of you may want to grab it.
You can download the full size version from my Flickr page, where you'll find more Motown Wallpapers . . .
http://www.flickr.com/photos/a_tom/5625343880/
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Awesome wallpaper -- congrats on a beautiful job!
Hi Soulful Detroit Friends
Very much looking forward to The Marv Johnson & Monitors Cd's & was grateful to have that material available on the Marginal label at the time now its time for the ultimate upgrade. The Spinners, Eddie Holland, Mary Wells, Gladys Knight & The Pips, & more unreleased Temptations, Early Miracles mixed to Stereo the Hip-0 set could have released The Mono & Stereo versions. Never enough Motown. Being from Chicago I have 2 request that I hope see the light of day and that's a comprehensive look at The Radiants & a complete Billy Stewart collection. Those are 2 that's well overdue.
hi chimusic60 welcome to sdf
Thanks Tamla 617 looking forward to sharing memories & more with you. Love the forum that you guys present. Keep the dialouge rolling Much respect always.
Really nice job on the wallpaper! Ace should incorporate your design in the booklet somewhere.
Has release dare been changed? HMV showing 30th May.
BUMP
looking forward to this release 7th June, hope there are no delays!
Hi Chimusic60 & welcome to SDF.
You've got my vote with the complete Billy Stewart collection, although like me you appear to be the king of wishful thinking, I really can't see it happening though much the pity.
I just got The Monitors anthology and have been really enjoying it. I noticed that the track 'Cry' is is listed as previously unissed when indeed was issued on the album "From The Vaults" back in 1979.
Brother Love,
As explained in the booklet, this is an earlier version [[perhaps recorded for Thelma Records), the tapes for which were brought to Motown in September 1963. The 1979 version that you reference was a re-cut, done at Motown.
I just received this and the Patrice Holloway cd today. Once again, thank you, Keith and team for your excellent work and the loving care that goes into these sets.
No obviously visible mathematical errors this time! Congratulations.
However, might I make a suggestion- Please check for consistency.
The cd case back-cover lists year of release for five of the single sides [[ songs #5, 9, 10, 25, 26), but not for three of the others [[songs #1, 3, 4). And amazingly [[on the back cover), both 'Greetings [[This Is Uncle Sam)' and 'Time Is Passing' are missing any designation as having been given release as single sides.
Also, Ivy Jo Hunter is listed as Ivy Jo in all of the song annotations except 'Crying In The Night', where he is listed as Ivy Hunter.
The quote on pg 18, song 26- "Me and Harvy Fuqua were like brothers, man.....a tremendous inspiration." Is Richard speaking or is this a quote from the late, Johnny Bristol? And is this song truly credited to John Bristol as typed? Are John Bristol and Johnny Bristol, the producer of the song, the same person?
Again, if you need an additional proof-reader.....
Thanks PJ, for clearing that up I just read the notes.
I've just had a chance to listen to the cd again and re- read the write-up.
I did find it curious that both songs having Johnny Bristol as one of its writer listed him as 'John Bristol'.
Someone alerted me that 'John' was his preferred name for writer's credits, and 'Johnny' for production credits. I decided to look through previous cd's and found that that rule was not always followed. Many a song lists the writer as Johnny- even his MGM Collection on Hip-O-Select.
"Someday We'll Be Together' seems to be one that more often than not now lists John Bristol whereas in the past it usually appeared as Johnny.
I wonder if Keith noticed that not only does song #12, "Share The Blame" have the difference noted between title vs lyric but song # 18 is very similar in that fashion. Richard and the Monitors sing "It Only Happens When Love HAS Gone"
Perhaps one day we'll hear the version of the song prepared for Diana Ross & The Supremes by
the mystery demo vocalist.
Reading Richard' s comments sparked my memory. It seemed as if I'd read some of them before. In researching, I realized that Richard had often been quoted in the TCMS volumes that included Monitors' singles and that some portions of those reflections were intertwined with the more recent interview for this collection. .
But I came across this- Vol 5: 1965, Disc 26.5 & 26.6, mentions that the Spinners had recorded their vocals for "Say You" and they were erased by the Majestics/Monitors initial dub of the track. The annotations on this anthology don't seem to necessarily indicate the same here.
It's a shame that Richard's second recording of a new lead vocal erased David Ruffin's vocal on the multi-track. Thanks be to God, the Temptations version had already been mixed to mono. Is it safe to assume that what was released by the Monitors includes Richard's second lead vocal?
The write-up there mentions "Cry", "Words" and 'the yet-to-be-officially issued "It's Got To Be Love". As the last track mentioned is not to be found on 'The Motown Anthology 1963-1968', are there plans to include it on a future Cellarful or is it merely a favorite of whomever wrote the article for 26.5/26.6?
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This is correct. The version we put on "From The Vaults" was the 2nd version, with a tighter vocal, and better mix on the backing tracks. It is, by far, the better version, in my estimation. I am disappointed that the better version is NOT on their anthology. They could have put both on it, if they so badly wanted the fans to have the original one. That is like leaving the commercially-released version of "My Girl" of a Temptations Anthology, just to add a previously unreleased original take!
Robb, great minds think alike, here, here.
Got my copy today. Great packaging, great music. Keep em comin! Paulo xxx
Enjoyed this CD....love to hear the vaulted tracks, although nothing really hits me as a major mistake in not gaining a release...just good Motown .However I'm REALLY upset to learn that "You share the blame" was not recorded by Smokey....I was waiting for the glorious day we'd see it on a L&F set.....What a period that was in Smokey's producing career.....he missed out on that track!!
I decided not to order this and the Patrice Holloway online. Does anyone know when they'll be available in store in the UK?
I have a 2 HMV's near me....there's a not a chance that it will ever be for sale on them.
The old record shops seem to sell more DVD's and electrical equipment, laptops, MP3 players and so on these days.
If you want the CD, I don't think you have that option these days.
I went into an old record shop today....there's still people buying vinyl but some of the once expensive records are much cheaper than they used to be.
I've emailed Ace for ya
Thanks, John.
It was released on Tuesday June 7th
It wasn't in HMV on the 11th. I'll try again later this week.