Until the haters can produce a picture similar to this , I'll hear Marv out on his insider knowledge.
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Until the haters can produce a picture similar to this , I'll hear Marv out on his insider knowledge.
https://soulfuldetroit.com/attachmen...3&d=1520372318
I think ill pass on what smokey had t say it might upset me and i enjoyed a lot of his early stuff. Happy landing and. I gotta dance to keep from crying. I believe if gladys had stayed w the group inspite of wanda getting t leads she may have kept order. After too many fish in the sea hit u just wanted t hear more of her soulful no nonsense. But wanda handled the new records well esp dont mess w bill and magician each singer gave the marvelettes 4 top 25 singles
Gladys pmp 1 playboy 7. Beechwood 17. Too many fish 25
Wanda. Bill. 7. Hunter 13. Magician 17 Young and in love 23
All right boogidown let the haters eat it up. Marv u and mary r chillin.
And u r lookin quite dapper i may add no wonder marys got her arm around u. Lol
Amen franjoy. The group of wanna be bullies aint gonna like that pic! Or maybe they’ll be jealous! Lol
Sometimes Marv we just have to tell it like it is!
Remember when this forum was about music, sharing memories of Motown legends and such? And not about gossip from Tony Turner books? I [[kinda) remember.
I wonder if there’s a walker in the current picture
This is total garbage as usual, another desperate attempt for attention and credibility. Smokey Robinson is a gentleman, and would never have been rude to Gladys. I spoke with Gladys at length in 2002 when we did Mysteries and Scandals Florence Ballard. I have also spoken with Kat Schaffner for that show and other times through the years. And Joe Schaffner and the late Joe Shillair as well.
Smokey took over main production of the group after Don't Mess With Bill. What Smokey DID tell Gladys was that he prefered Wanda's voice because it was softer, like Diana and Claudettes. Diana Ross was selling millions of records.
Gladys didn't like it that much but she went along with it.
The problem between Gladys and Wanda was minimal when compared to Diana and Flo or David Ruffin and Otis Williams. Wanda's ego became inflamed when the hits started to come back. Gladys was more even tempered but Kat would straighten you out. They knew Wanda was on a substance. They mostly tolerated her but the occasional outbursts did occur. Also during this period producers stopped using Gladys and Kat for backing vocals which enhanced Wanda's self-worth.
Gladys Horton dropped out of the Marvelettes because she gave birth to a severely handicapped son. She was an orphan and had no one to help her with her baby. There is no other reason.
There was no mistreatment of Smokey to Gladys Horton.
Why is the Klansman posting in this thread acting like he cool with the "snowflakes" [[i.e., black folks, us)?
LOL
Facts.
Also people got nerve to disrespect Smokey much like they disrespect Diana. Hell, they're disrespecting Gladys Horton's memory by bringing up some almost 30-year-old interview that was just nothing but hearsay. But I see how it is with some folks. They don't come here to celebrate music, they just do things to prove a point. What point? Who knows. It's childish and silly for folks WAY OLDER than me to still be acting like 1967 hasn't left them. 51 years have passed and stuff has CHANGED!
That’s a good post Midnightman
I always think a few wacko forum participants make much out of nothing; you never hear Martha or Smokey or Claudette or Janie or Stevie or Diana or Berry talk like that
And they were there!
I’ve been told there are disabilities that are the cause of the harshness exhibited by at least one of our posters
I thought this thread wasn't quite finished... thank you Bayou & midnight, for restoring my sanity. :p
Excellent post.
Of course there was drama at Motown, when is there not drama in the workplace. At a successful record company like Motown, there was a lot of creativity and ambition and with that comes strong emotions. But geez this stuff was half a century ago. Does Flo care about any of this stuff where she is? Does Gladys? They're in paradise, LET THEM ENJOY IT.
I also maintain the person who constantly digs up this stuff in a desparate attempt for attention is only exposing himself as being incredibly lonely and unfulfilled. Most of us on here relish the legacy of Motown and we do enjoy the gossipy stuff occasionally. But when a person makes it up to try to pass himself off as a Motown "expert" it appears to be a mental disturbance.
I don't come on SDF as much as I used to but, when I don't someone will alert me to this person's incoherent ramblings. Can I ask that I not be contacted about him any further? I am semi-retired, I am in the gym just about everyday and I am still rebuilding from the flood of August 2016 so my plate is full.
To further prove my point, the BBC is doing a special on famous rock bands and they are featuring the Supremes. I was contacted in January and they were going to fly someone here to interview me. I declined. Instead I referred them to long time fan club president Carl Feuerbacher. Mary Wilson was of course interviewed.
I cherish the legacy of all Motown acts. But when it's over, it's over.
You really are the checks and balances person and the legitimate source we need. Ive seen you on TV discussing Motown and the Supremes and Florence Ballard and Miss Ross and I personaly feel we need you here to keep the fabricator in check.
God bless you.
Roberta
Thank you Roberta but the moderator seems to enjoy his ramblings
the legacy of what motown was is never over whether it be 1967 or 1990. We love the music and if a subject comes up worth discussing i see nothing wrong in discussing it. After watching tv one the problems w wanda went deeper. Than what u r describing and glsdys never spoke about marvelettes business in public but catherine definetly didi because she had to deal with marvelettes businrss bookings iafter gladys left when the problems got worsre. U r right gladys left to take care of her handicapped child. We should discuss without getting hostile. Soulful detroit is sbout the ups and downs of the music of detroit and not just motown. If someone decides to discuss why hdh fleed motown to launch hot wax records would that be a topic one should say its old hat many of what happened in 1967 is key to motowns history
I definitely think there are some folks who are deeply unhappy and they take it out on others and when there are disagreements, it boils over so yeah I definitely see it here.
So they build themselves to be someone they're not. So I definitely feel you there. It would be best to let them wallow in their own playground but one can get easily swept by someone's negativity.
Franjoy, Midnight and Bayou are all right.
What Fran is overlooking is the mean spirited, hateful posts of some she is defending.
The Motown people love each other and speak kindly and highly of each other; follow Janie Bradford and Claudette Robinson and Joe Billingslea on Facebook; and Dennis Edwards when he was with us. And many others.
Their caring for each other should not be denigrated by the odd mentally ill fan.
Soulful Detroit could have been more than it was but it was damaged and not taken as seriously as it could have been due to that behavior that was allowed.
Its the ones that hold 30, and 40 and 50 year grudges against Ross and Gordy and Smokey and Suzanne and Wilson that get me. They hold on to hate and grudges that outside of being a fan have absolutely nothing to do with them. If the haters had a life theyd see that they were not there as the lovely Miss Susaye Greene told one of the. They are NOT friends of these Motown acts and never will be. They are fans that take this stuff way to personaly.
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This just gave me a great idea !!!
Why don't we each post our pictures [[even if blurry) of Diana being similarly chummy with us !!:cool::cool::cool:
That's the level of nonsense that circulates among a certain crowd here. How in the world could a photo like that add credibility? And why is it a crime to ask someone to source their claims? And how can a person know something to to be true if they weren't there? These and other questions will be answered on next week's episode of Soulful Detroit.:p
Btw, I know everything that happened the night Florence was fired from the Supremes, even though I was born many years later. How do I know? I've read books, so I know everything. Everything.
Anybody that gossips this much has to be unhappy. But he's irrational on top of it. And his crew backs him up. They're all nuts. I don't mind disagreeing with someone, but we have to have rational and intelligent back and forths. The line of posts that culminated in my being blocked were me asking perfectly good questions and the responses making absolutely no sense.
I finally get what Thanxal is saying when he says his experience on the forum is much more pleasant when he started making use of the ignore feature. I've added a couple more to the blocked list and it is a better experience.
The other thing to remember is that some of the Mary Wilson trolls are often posting as part of a lame attempt to continue flame wars between Diana and Mary camps. It is a transparent attempt to show anti-Mary bias to justify the anti-Diana slurs.
We had a group gaslighting the forum last year that Ralph promptly took care of. They were pushing people toward a trasheap of a website that now appears to be defunct.
I don’t know about this thread since I now use the block function. If it gets bad again, take it up with Ralph. I found him to be very reasonable.
Yes, I emailed Ralph about the posters who were so obviously causing trouble and I was glad to see "banned" appearing beside their names soon after. And you and I have "talked" before about screennames that are so anti Diana and anti Mary actually belonging to the same person[[s). I've just started adding folks on both sides to the blocked list, for the most part. And I'm starting to notice a couple more who are about to join it.
Quick question: how does the block feature work if the thread your reading or posting on has been started by someone you have blocked? I don't really want to block anyone, just wondering how it works.
In that case RanRan, you will know that I, the unborn foetus friend, was there that night, watching everything unfold. I couldn't believe my tiny underdeveloped eyes when Florence turned around to Diana and said........ ah but you know I couldn't possibly go there... some people around here wouldn't be able to handle the real story. :rolleyes: