Well said Marv!
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Well said Marv!
That is your point of view from the country you live in.
In mine, where the Motown sound is just "pop of the 60's", nobody knew who the Supremes were [[and that has not changed). In 1982-1984 everybody knew who Diana Ross was because "Upside Down" and "Muscles" had been huge hits and she was a kind of godmother for Michael Jackson.
But Mary Wilson? The only Wilson people knew was Mari with her beehive.
http://991.com/newGallery/Mari-Wilso...ver-300992.jpg
It may be hard for you to believe it but the Supremes were not a legendary group in the 80's in many non-English speaking countries. Personally, I bought my first record with songs of the Supremes by chance in 1985 [[H/D/H, "The Composer Series" because Bonnie Pointer's "Heaven Must Have Sent You" was on it) and my first real album of the Supremes in 1986 [[the 25th Anniversary 3-vinyl set) just to hear what Ross was doing before I knew her from the radio. And her 1986 autobiography "Dreamgirl" didn't change anything for Mary Wilson because it was not translated. So people had to read it in English and that restricted obviously its audience.
For some reason, Tina Turner was not that forgotten and I remember clearly the cover of "Let's Stay Together" when it was just a 12" single [[without its companion lp) being displayed proudly in record stores. And I remember that I thought she was "a great singer with a former career" [[only that because I never heard any Turner song).
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/albu...5b1/166087.jpg
If what you say is true:" That is your point of view from the country you live in.
In mine, where the Motown sound is just "pop of the 60's", nobody knew who the Supremes were [[and that has not changed), then you must live in a very backwards place because the Supremes are known all over the World! I live in America, where do live? Is it really true what you said or are you just lying to score points with the malcontents?
Hmmm-didnt the movie Dreamgirls with Supreme covers in various scenes win an oscar for Jennifer Hudson?. lol
This is quite possible. The hit making years of the Supremes ended around 1971/72. By 1982 it had been a decade since they had a top ten hit. Diana Ross was on top of the charts during this time. Anyone remember the scene in "Sisters Act" where Whoopie was talking about her love for girl groups and that one of her favorites was "The Supremes". One of the students asked "Who are the Supremes". Whoopie looked at him like she was suprised he asked such a question. Her reply was "Who are the Supremes???? Have you ever heard of Diana Ross". To which the student replied....."Oh.....Diana Ross". He knew her, but not her association with the group. Now forward 20 years to 2012 and most people under 25 don't know The Supremes, or Diana Ross.
Every European country has its own legendary singers: Alaska in Spain, Mina in Italy, Claude Franēois in France, Marianne Rosenberg in Germany, Amalia Rodrigues in Portugal are big names that cross my mind now. Few English-speaking singers have the same notoriety. In those countries, many people discovered Michael Jackson with "Thriller" or Whitney Houston with "The Bodyguard", not knowing what they have done before. The death of Whitney Houston was big news on TV only the first day. After that, very few tributes were paid to her. But when Johnny Hallyday, Raffaella Carrą or Julio Iglesias will die, it will be a very big deal in all the medias.
In Germany, the 60's are dominated by the Beatles [[11 songs #1) and Freddy Quinn [[10 songs #1) completely unknown outside the German-speaking countries [[one of his biggest hits is "La Paloma", a true classic for German and Austrian people).
In France, in a ranking of sales that covers more than 50 years [[1955-2009), Diana Ross is #596 [[out of 601 singers) and the Supremes don't appear. The first English-speaking singers are Michael Jackson [[#9), Madonna [[#10) and the Beatles [[#11).
http://www.infodisc.fr/Artiste_Ventes.php
For Spain:*http://rateyourmusic.com/list/fery/l...iggest_sellers
the subject matter was Jellybean pursuing Mary Wilson to cut a song a little more than a decade after Diana Ross left The Supremes,and this happened in AMERICA, where, in the early 80's ,people were quite aware of The Supremes, as the hit play and soundtrack DREAMGIRLS, which was new, had renewed interest in the group IN AMERICA...
whatever was happening in your country, well, well,not really pertinent to this particular discussion, and Tina Turner was considered over by the time she was playing The Ritz down town NYC alongside Divine and Cherry Vanilla...[[and a group called Blue angel with an up coming singer named Cyndi Lauper...)
I wasn't the one who mentioned Turner in the first place.
And her comeback was, at first, merely European [[the covers of "Ball Of Confusion" for a cassette and then at the end of 1983 "Let's Stay Together").
"People all over the World have heard of the Supremes"? Of course not. Even in 1983.
This is getting really silly. If Mary Wilson was truly offered Holiday and actually did say no to it, then we can speculate until we are blue in the face whether it would have been a hit or not had she said yes.
It's like saying if my uncle had a vagina he'd be my aunt. This is how dumb this argument is becoming.
Roberta
Her [[Tina Turner's) comeback was purely American with "Let's Stay Together" in late 1983. People all over the World had heard of the Supremes even in Eastern Europe where they could not buy the records. You are just argumentative and ridiculous. There were no groups more known than the Supremes, The Beatles and perhaps the Rolling Stones.
From Wikipedia : "In 1982, Turner teamed up with*B.E.F.*for a remake of*the Temptations' "Ball of Confusion".[40]*The song became a hit in European dance clubs. Following this success, the producers asked her to incorporate a cover of*Al Green's classic, "Let's Stay Together". Released in November 1983, just days before Turner's 44th birthday, the song became a hit single in the UK reaching number six on their charts and also became a hit in several other European countries.[41][42]*The success of "Let's Stay Together" in Europe convinced Turner's new company*Capitol Records*to release the song in the US in early 1984, with the song reaching number twenty six on the*Billboard Hot 100[43]*while also peaking at the top five of the R&B and dance charts.[44][45]"
Turner's comeback is, at the beginning, British. Maybe Wilson has that in mind when she worked with Levine in the 80's: UK audiences are much more faithful when it comes to singers. And nowadays it's exactly the same with the Supremes: the 50th Anniversary set is # 12 759 on Amazon.co.uk and only #124 274 on Amazon.de [["More hits by the Supremes" is #2 478 on Amazon.co.uk and #152 087 on Amazon.de).
as you'll notice in my first Turner comment, I said "Capitol finally agreed to release it in America"..I knew it was an import at that time;
the point is, America had no Tina on the radar before that since Proud Mary was a hit [[Nutbush City Limits was an almost hit) so I equated that an older female of color like Mary, could be re launched in the MTV era, as Tina had been after a decade of nothing for Tina in America.....I'm not talking about the UK,which is another planet, especially back then
You seriously believe a dance club hit in Europe means a HIT? To this day you would be hard press to find anyone in America that has even heard Tina Turner's version of "A Ball of Confusion" To put things in prospective for you. The group Boney M [[whom I like a lot) is mostly unknown in America and has never had a hit here! Sure, America isn't the World, but it is the largest market for record sales.
From the archives...
By Edgar [[200.46.13.137) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 06:57 pm:
"Bad Weather" was released as a single in 1973, and was a huge hit in different places. I was living in San Juan [[Puerto Rico) in those days and it became #1 there. It was also played constantly on Radio Luxembourg. Not so in the US, where it flopped.
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Being played on a radio station does not a number one make, I'm afraid.
if Mary had recorded Holiday,it would have been another flop to add to her solo tally flops and Madge would still have been the superstar she is-was along with Diana ,Babs.Mariah,Whitney. CHEERS.
I am going on memory [[which is scary) but back at the time there was a fan club that announced that the record had went to number one in Hawaii, PR and Luxembourg to name a few markets. I also think they mentioned D.C. My point is, Constanin repeatedly said that the Supremes were basically unheard of by people in the rest of the World [[outside of the U.S.) and I wanted to point out that even in his home country the Supremes were popular.
That is what I thought, that it was "Radio Luxembourg" which is a French radio.
Radio Luxembourg is actually RTL a very big group based in Luxembourg and originally luxembourger. Since the country is very small [[500.000 inhabitants) and we are bilingual [[we speak a sort of German but our written language is French, reason why I corrected errors you've made in French even though I'm not French), this group is aimed at our two big neighbours: France and Germany both have their own RTL radio or TV. For France the reason is that French governement use to have a monopoly on all radio and TV matters, but since Luxembourg is near France, we could transmit for them without problems.
In Luxembourg, the country, anyway, the name of the radio is "Radio Lėtzebuerg".
And I can assure you that in the early 80's few people remembered the Supremes outside the US and the UK [[and when it was the case it was always the 60's group). And I don't talk about China, Angola, Saudi Arabia or Paraguay... Some compilations like 1977's "20 Golden Greats" were huge hits in the UK [[#1) but not elsewhere. The interest in the Supremes was at its lowest point then.Things changed with the release of "25th Anniversary" in 1986 and "The Never-Before-Released Masters" in 1987. And after that, all the reissues were released. But even Ross distanced herself from the Supremes at the time: in her shows,she never performed the songs of the 60's like she was performing the others [[just a medley), no reunions of course [[especially after Motown 25) and no compilation with her songs and songs of the Supremes [[the first one being "Forever Diana" in 1993 if I'm not mistaken).
And the worst of it, for Mary Wilson, was that a British singer named Mari Wilson was having hits with her album "Showpeople".
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Your analogy is ideal! If your uncle had a vagina, he'd be a man with a vagina - ugh. Likewise, Mary singing Holiday, would be very similar. Her husky voice is coarse and rough when she's singing pop and rock. She just doesn't have the chops for most of it. She had limited success with Floy Joy, Automatically Sunshine and the stupid Touch, but they called for a smokey, sultry lead - which she can do well, but still not get peeps way into it. Her forte was and remains ballads. Don't Let The Tear Drops is great. Mary on Holiday, would never have made a blip on the radar. Mary had a lot of exposure though the years....... if she was a pop act, someone would have signed her.
Actually those are my words:*[[We were talking about 1983, Turner's comeback and Wilson's hypothetical comeback thanks to "Holiday".)
"That is your point of view from the country you live in.
In mine, where the Motown sound is just "pop of the 60's", nobody knew who the Supremes were [[and that has not changed). In 1982-1984 everybody knew who Diana Ross was because "Upside Down" and "Muscles" had been huge hits and she was a kind of godmother for Michael Jackson.
But Mary Wilson? The only Wilson people knew was Mari with her beehive.
It may be hard for you to believe it but the Supremes were not a legendary group in the 80's in many non-English speaking countries."
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"And I can assure you that in the early 80's few people remembered the Supremes outside the US and the UK [[and when it was the case it was always the 60's group). And I don't talk about China, Angola, Saudi Arabia or Paraguay... Some compilations like 1977's "20 Golden Greats" were huge hits in the UK [[#1) but not elsewhere. The interest in the Supremes was at its lowest point then.Things changed with the release of "25th Anniversary" in 1986 and "The Never-Before-Released Masters" in 1987. "
Now if you don't want to understand it, I am not going to waste my time with stubborn women like you.
Almost no one outside this forum in any country knows who Mary Wilson is. The girl at The Riviera who sold me my ticket told me "she was one of The Shirrells - but not the famous one." LOL The Supremes were an old 60's act in the 80's - just like The Vandellas, etc - only more respected.
Yeah you wished! Why you wished that, is beyond me.......Here is the truth, the real truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN001QqGiU
Thank you for the real truth. It proves she sucks on The Supremes classics. If you watch the beginning, people aren't even looking at the stage when she comes on. They just continue talking to each other. She sounds pretty good on the slow stuff, but that blue thing she's wearing at the beginning - what is it?
How very odd. Only last year there was a photo of Mary Wilson at the Riviera and it looked like there were 6,000 adoring fans in the audience. Oh......wait a minute, that was a photo of Cher at Caesars Palace that Mary's website was trying to con the public into thinking it was Mary at the Riviera. Hehehehehhehe LOL.
Roberta dear - he gets upset if you don't quote him correctly. It'sAhemmmmm.......hehehehehehhehehehe.....!
Bless you
The real question is why Berry Gordy never thought of her to be the lead vocalist of the Supremes in the 70's. The answer is pretty obvious, of course when we see that video: she sings flat even during the first song, as usual, those breath issues kill her singing and her voice is kind of veiled. But the worst is maybe her oversinging during "Last Dance" [[she doesn't have the technique but she does it anyway). To top it all, her singing is absolutely emotionless! And, when people from the audience come on stage, OMG! [[Besides, I'm asking myself if people understand all she is saying.)
Thank you for the clip!
And try to con the public with pictures of audiences of other artists, that's pathetic.
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Oh dang this was not pretty at all. In fact it was Horrific.