When will real singing groups and bands
Return???
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When will real singing groups and bands
Return???
I miss real singing and bands like from
Back in the day without all the gimmicky
Singers. Will the new Aretha, Gladys
And Supreme Take your places.
I sure hope so! Some of today's music I cannot stand [[it is gimmicky, you're right!), most of it is very "average" and the stuff that I do like is overplayed and overplayed until I dislike it, Lol!
I agree 100%. To help ease the pain....here's a new group of singers singing the old stuff, and quite well I might add. I recommended this CD a month or so ago [[in case you might not have seen my posting). This is old school singing with a real band. I've barely had this CD out of my player. Yea, I'm old school with the technology, too.
https://www.amazon.com/Tell-Love-Hel...s=mellow+moods
I don't know,but I can't wait. I feel strongly that cuts to school music programs over the last 25 years or so has led us to where we are now. There are'nt many new bands because there are fewer people that actually know how to play instruments. Singers often came out of the Church. Today, many young people do not attend church, let alone sing in a choir.
They are still around in the form of people like Adele, Bruno Mars, Usher, Meghan Trainer, and a few new ones that I can't think of the name of right now. You just have to listen to the stuff the younger generation listens to to find it. Just don't expect old-school crooning that came out of the church and street corners, though.
There are still groups but labels push solo acts more frequently right now.
Too much technology,not enough natural singing talent and as someone said,folks don;t play instuments anymore,it's cheaper to just plug in a machine and let someone whale over a music track...sad!!!!
This guy called Eli "Paperboy" Reed really intrigued me. He is a current singer, but not a major star or household name. His style is definitely soul [[you could say classic or vintage soul, even) but he's actually white.
I listened to some of the stuff on his 2010 album [[I know, ancient!), Come And Get It, and I was surprised to find that it was rather good!!
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/eli-p...d-mn0001550908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5_p3iLqChQ&app=desktop
This video is both fantastic and confusing in equal measure, LOL
Ok,not bad.
I'm a huge fan of an outfit called Postmodern Jukebox. They rework modern pop songs into other musical genres [[jazz, Motown, soul, bluegrass, polka, etc.). One of the artists that sings with them frequently is Morgan James and she is authentic. I'll post some of their videos when I'm not on a tablet, but here's a link to one her best songs with them.
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=8gO_lxThc1M
Here's a real singer & a real band for ya; Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings.
https://youtu.be/IlPE1rEdAdI
I would add Pink to the list of real talents.
One of the problems of today's[stars???]is that most of em sound alike..back in the day you could tell a curtis song from a smokey song or an lead by eddie,but today???good luck with that.
Yeah, I agree. I've always wondered about that though. Does it all sound the same because you don't like it? I mean, I played my younger brother [[who is mostly into today's music) some Motown a while back and he said "it all sounds the same".
[[I know... he is a complete idiot, LOL)
Well, today, the producer is the performer rather than the artist. Some songs are recorded one line at a time with the producer splicing the best take of each line into the best possible version. They are effectually sampling the singer instead of letting him or her sing the whole tune.
Let's not get into how much they use effects to alter the voice so they sing on key and minimize errors. They can literally make anybody sound good
Hmmmm...sounds exactly like what Bernard Edwards and Nile Rodgers did.
Nothing today's pop producers do is really any different than what they did back in the 60s and 70s. The only thing today's producers have that they didn't have back then is Pro Tools and Autotune.
I like Morgan James with Postmodern Jukebox too, their cover of JB's It's Man's World
is on point and actually I'm a bigger fan of their guest jazz harpist Brandee Younger...Anyway,
there are still a number of singers making music I enjoy, India Arie, Somi, Lianne Las Havas,
Liz Wright, the still bringing it Leela James and the often overlooked Alice Smith and I have to
agree with Marv, I mollyfocking HATE autotune!!!!.....Okay, I said it. I also like some of the
stuff Solange Knowles is doing....
But, remember, it isn't only used to cover up for a lesser singer, it is also used for a desired effect. For example, Usher and Rihanna, excellent singers, used it for effect because it's the contemporary "sound". And, there are many, including those two, who don't use it at all.
Autotune is used because there are singers who demand 100% perfection. They don't want to have a note that is a bit "off". Today's younger audiences are also used to it.
In our day, when a band played, they might start off a song and then start rushing. It's why, when the technology became available, instruments were sampled so the tempo and pitch would be the same throughout. It also made editing easier. It makes the music boring, IMO, but that's what today's audiences expect.
I didn't know that about Rodgers and Edwards, but it explains why their productions were/are instantly recognizable, which falls in line with this thread. Or am I the only one here who thinks that "Upside Down" and "I'm Coming Out" were really just Chic songs with Diana Ross singing as a guest vocalist?
To be honest, their heavy reliance on tandem vocals and cadenced singing arrangements covered up for the singers in a lot of their songs, much like producers protect the heavily-effected singers of today. The big thing today that influences what we old heads think is songs that sound alike is that so many skilled producers can do everything. I kind of miss bands who played actual instruments. There was a diversity in their sound as opposed to what one person can make electronically.
In my opinion, Stevie and Prince were the greatest performers who could produce songs by themselves, but their collaborations made for many of their best records.
Oh, and Sia is another remarkable modern artist. Was GaGa mentioned?
[QUOTE=marv2;353020]I don't know,but I can't wait. I feel strongly that cuts to school music programs over the last 25 years or so has led us to where we are now. There are'nt many new bands because there are fewer people that actually know how to play instruments. Singers often came out of the Church. Today, many young people do not attend church, let alone sing in a choir.[/QU
So true. There was a time in public schools where music class was mandatory but the music and art departments were cut and never reinstated. I was in the school band in 5th grade, playing an instrument in public school in New York City!
I detest Autotune. When I produced a singer, "autotune" was "sing the damn song until you get it right."
[QUOTE=nysister;354044] Yes Sister, I remember when everyone in elementary school learned to play an instrument even if it were the old plastic recorders. We all had music classes too where you sang a variety of music. I even knew how to sing "Ave Maria" by the 3rd Grade! LOL!!!
Maybe ten or fifteen years ago I think, Tom. I remember these young guys getting into Pro Tools and other computer mediums that had the ability. They used to brag about using it. SAD
Sister Sledge revealed that they were fed the lyrics line by line. They would get a line, they would record it. Next line, same thing, and so on. The reason they did that is so the singers wouldn't improvise or over-sing. Nile 'n Nard were exact. They wanted a certain result and that's how they got it.
On the other hand, Diana Ross wanted to try new things when they recorded that album. They let her loose on the vocals, as evidenced on the original Bob Clearmountain or "Chic" mix of the album [[you do have it, don't you?). The reason Motown/Ross decided to go in and change it was precisely because it sounded like a Chic record with her as a guest singer. That Clearmountain version has been out for over a decade. You can easily buy it. Listening to it also gives you an interesting insight of how records are made, and how the producer and mix can make or break a recording. Same thing with the "Detroit" mix of Marvin gaye's "What's Going On" album.Quote:
Or am I the only one here who thinks that "Upside Down" and "I'm Coming Out" were really just Chic songs with Diana Ross singing as a guest vocalist?
Don't kid yourself. There was a lot of copy-cak, cookie-cutter music back in our day, too.Quote:
To be honest, their heavy reliance on tandem vocals and cadenced singing arrangements covered up for the singers in a lot of their songs, much like producers protect the heavily-effected singers of today. The big thing today that influences what we old heads think is songs that sound alike is that so many skilled producers can do everything. I kind of miss bands who played actual instruments. There was a diversity in their sound as opposed to what one person can make electronically.
There are many of them, not just those two.Quote:
In my opinion, Stevie and Prince were the greatest performers who could produce songs by themselves, but their collaborations made for many of their best records.
In case you guys missed this video, you may find it interesting.
https://youtu.be/A9uiouUw2PY
Eli 'Paperboy' Reed is quite well known. His records / CD's sell well & he tours all over.
When he does gigs in the UK & Europe, he usually sells out but then he's not at the big arena show stage yet.
If a decent record company got behind him, he'd do great.
I do like Ledisi. Janelle Monae is a good singer as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJKYrvxPrQ
We have to be fair though,there's talent in every generation,now having said that i'm gonna say this and i may not be the only one here who feels this way...from the years...[1946-the inkspots with bill kenney]to the[80's with m.j.]and i'm not gonna list all the great ones because it's already known but in those five decades more great singing talent came about then at any other time since!!