Grammy Salute to Motown's 60th Anniversary Set to Tape Feb. 12

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Originally Posted by floyjoy678

I dont plan on watching this nor did I watch the Grammys. I've been very disappointed in how Motown's legacy has been preserved over the years. I dont know if Berry Gordy lost it somewhere along the way or what.

I'm hesitant regarding this Motown documentary but I do plan on watching that one.

Shame to hear that at 75, Mary and Diana cant even say hello to each other. I wonder if Flo were here if she'd be putting up with those two's behavior.

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Flo would have no say over who they talk to, so I doubt very much if she’d put up with it or not.

I do know now now that I was given wrong info about Berry snubbing Mary last night. They did speak and were friendly. My ”sources” saw Mary enter, and saw Berry notice and adjust away - they never saw them together, but another bud said they spoke and he saw it. As for Ross, she never was in the audience before the show, then suddenly appeared sitting next to Berry for her segment, sang Mahogany, good morning heartache and my man, then went up on stage with Berry, introduced him and walked off stage as Berry spoke. She got in her car and split so There would not have been a chance for mary and diana to speak should they have wanted to. Although taped about in the middle of the show, Ross’ segment will be shown at the end to close the broadcast.

Martha sang Nowhere To Run and Thelma Houston brought down the House with her number one. Stevie did 35 minutes And, oddly, no one can remember the Jacksons Or MJ even being mentioned - maybe a segment is going to be added later as I can’t imagine that at least the historic moonwalk would not have been referenced. No Lionel Richie. Otis was there but not on stage. At one point they asked for people in the audience who were part of the Motown family To stand, and that’s when people like Otis and Mary and others were acknowledged. I’m glad they had Martha and Thelma perform, but I’m shocked that the Temptations did not perform…… Again perhaps they’ll be some sort of video tribute added. Also, since Diana only sing solo songs, I wonder if there will be some sort of video tribute to the supreme us it would be odd if they weren’t mentioned.

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Originally Posted by midnightman

Thanks for clearing that up, Brad! I was concerned for a minute.

And FTR, Mary did talk with both Berry and Diana the night she took her bow with them during the end of MTM. So I don't know where MM's friend got that from.

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my bud was doing press at the event and neither he, nor other friends saw Berryband Mary together, but another did and there’s a pic.

I was at Motown The Musical opening night and saw Exactly what happened. During the ceremony after the play, Diana, Stevie, Smokey and Berry were onstage with cast members when Mary and Gladys cane walking down the aisle toward the stage, went up the stairs [[used by thevross character to descend Into the audience for Reach out and touch) got up on stage and walked all the way across to the other end of the stage where Gordy and ross were…… Mary walked straight towards Diana kissed her fingers and raised them up in the air that look like perhaps she was going to slap her but instead it made the pleasant gesture of taking the kids that was on her lips and putting it on Diana‘s face. Nonetheless, Diana looked extremely uncomfortable. And it’s true that they took pictures together but that is absolutely not any kind of indication of their closeness. In fact, being a first-hand witness to that, I put the entire relationship to bed in my mind because it was it abundantly clear that while Diana would go through the motions of posing in front of the camera, she really wasn’t good enough actress to appear pleased to see Mary let alone Pose with her during an impromptu and totally uninvited and unexpected photo op. Now I know what Mary tells me, but I don’t know that I believe that she really does love Diana. Of course I’ve never met Diana so I have no idea what she Thinks about anything, But if body language and forced smile’s say anything, my prediction is that’s the last will see the two of them together. And if so, I’m actually glad they got their picture taken together so those wanting something like that get their wish.

I’ve just heard Diana singing Do you know and she was in splendid voice

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Originally Posted by marv2

You cannot believe almost anything this guy MotownManiac says ESPECIALLY when it comes to Mary Wilson or Berry Gordy. Mary and Berry are very close. Mary has also been represented in EVERY Motown Anniversary in some form or fashion, so I don't know what he is talking about and where he got that idea.

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I specifically stated that my sources told me because I myself didn’t witness it [[however, I did believe it to be accurate) As soon as I found out differently, I came on to correct the info - see above post. When, on the rare occasion I have been incorrect before, I’ve corrected it asap. I have no agenda or reason or desire to make stuff up like you do. And the difference is that when you are proved wrong, you just disappear from the thread and you DO have an agenda. Two of my faves of yours:

1)Diana Ross, in a major act of greed, gavecall and list all of her money with Bernie Madoff.

2) that Mary got her Hollywood Palace solo because the director thought it was unfair Ross got all the solos and TOLD Berry that Mary was doing a solo.

Need i I go On? There are dozens more.

In neither case case did you accept proof to the contrary. Even when one guy explained to you that Variety show directors have ZERO content control - they are there to bring the script to life. Several of us actually checked with Mary who said those decisions were made by Berry only.

the point of this forum, for most of us, is to share and learn about an art form we have a passion for - not to sway opinion with falsities.

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Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

I specifically stated that my sources told me because I myself didn’t witness it [[however, I did believe it to be accurate) As soon as I found out differently, I came on to correct the info - see above post. When, on the rare occasion I have been incorrect before, I’ve corrected it asap. I have no agenda or reason or desire to make stuff up like you do. And the difference is that when you are proved wrong, you just disappear from the thread and you DO have an agenda. Two of my faves of yours:

1)Diana Ross, in a major act of greed, gavecall and list all of her money with Bernie Madoff.

2) that Mary got her Hollywood Palace solo because the director thought it was unfair Ross got all the solos and TOLD Berry that Mary was doing a solo.

Need i I go On? There are dozens more.

In neither case case did you accept proof to the contrary. Even when one guy explained to you that Variety show directors have ZERO content control - they are there to bring the script to life. Several of us actually checked with Mary who said those decisions were made by Berry only.

the point of this forum, for most of us, is to share and learn about an art form we have a passion for - not to sway opinion with falsities.

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Right?? I'm waiting for him to involve Diana & Berry in Russian election meddling, the Flint water crisis, and climate change. Imagine what a more productive person could do with the time this one wastes on trying to avenge a bodyguard for taking his camera. #laughingstock.

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Originally Posted by PeaceNHarmony

Right?? I'm waiting for him to involve Diana & Berry in Russian election meddling, the Flint water crisis, and climate change. Imagine what a more productive person could do with the time this one wastes on trying to avenge a bodyguard for taking his camera. #laughingstock.

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You will probably not have long to wait!

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Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

I specifically stated that my sources told me because I myself didn’t witness it [[however, I did believe it to be accurate) As soon as I found out differently, I came on to correct the info - see above post. When, on the rare occasion I have been incorrect before, I’ve corrected it asap. I have no agenda or reason or desire to make stuff up like you do. And the difference is that when you are proved wrong, you just disappear from the thread and you DO have an agenda. Two of my faves of yours:

1)Diana Ross, in a major act of greed, gavecall and list all of her money with Bernie Madoff.

2) that Mary got her Hollywood Palace solo because the director thought it was unfair Ross got all the solos and TOLD Berry that Mary was doing a solo.

Need i I go On? There are dozens more.

In neither case case did you accept proof to the contrary. Even when one guy explained to you that Variety show directors have ZERO content control - they are there to bring the script to life. Several of us actually checked with Mary who said those decisions were made by Berry only.

the point of this forum, for most of us, is to share and learn about an art form we have a passion for - not to sway opinion with falsities.

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Excellent response and explanation. You have no further need to explain yourself. If you know who is still determined to pick a fight we can dig out some of the occasions when he has been proved to be talking out of his rectum, and then not having the courage or manners to offer an apology. You have dignity and courtesy in abundance , and you can hold your head up high, unlike you know who. Respect to you.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt1ZNUpg...wdwLH-0nNbZcAQ

Hope this works :confused: She sounds so great :o

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Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

Although taped about in the middle of the show, Ross’ segment will be shown at the end to close the broadcast.
As for Ross, she never was in the audience before the show, then suddenly appeared sitting next to Berry for her segment, sang Mahogany, good morning heartache and my man, then went up on stage with Berry, introduced him and walked off stage as Berry spoke.

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Yes, those songs that everyone knows were big Motown hits -- "Good Morning, Heartache" and "My Man." :confused:

Thanks for that clip of My Man, one of her greatest performances

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Originally Posted by TheMotownManiac

my bud was doing press at the event and neither he, nor other friends saw Berryband Mary together, but another did and there’s a pic.

I was at Motown The Musical opening night and saw Exactly what happened. During the ceremony after the play, Diana, Stevie, Smokey and Berry were onstage with cast members when Mary and Gladys cane walking down the aisle toward the stage, went up the stairs [[used by thevross character to descend Into the audience for Reach out and touch) got up on stage and walked all the way across to the other end of the stage where Gordy and ross were…… Mary walked straight towards Diana kissed her fingers and raised them up in the air that look like perhaps she was going to slap her but instead it made the pleasant gesture of taking the kids that was on her lips and putting it on Diana‘s face. Nonetheless, Diana looked extremely uncomfortable. And it’s true that they took pictures together but that is absolutely not any kind of indication of their closeness. In fact, being a first-hand witness to that, I put the entire relationship to bed in my mind because it was it abundantly clear that while Diana would go through the motions of posing in front of the camera, she really wasn’t good enough actress to appear pleased to see Mary let alone Pose with her during an impromptu and totally uninvited and unexpected photo op. Now I know what Mary tells me, but I don’t know that I believe that she really does love Diana. Of course I’ve never met Diana so I have no idea what she Thinks about anything, But if body language and forced smile’s say anything, my prediction is that’s the last will see the two of them together. And if so, I’m actually glad they got their picture taken together so those wanting something like that get their wish.

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Interesting. There are many versions of this event but all seem quite similar and all seem to agree that Wilson, perpetuating the one career move she gets right, rushed up to the one person present guaranteed to get her publicity, Diana Ross.

We've all [[at least those of us who have actually had workplace/neighbor friend-quaintances...) had the experience of 'that person' who could just not give up the glom and move on, managing to spoil a perfectly nice, occasional meeting - in the same way that Wilson can't stop, at every given opportunity, mentioning that she briefly worked with Diana Ross 50 years ago.

Too, I can't help but remember Wilson's shock [[SHOCK!) that Diana DARED to approach her at Florence's funeral so that the two could remember together their fallen friend. I can only imagine the repercussions if Diana had not done so, but that's perhaps another thread.

Acting? Hmm. Two thoughts. 1) Even Meryl Streep couldn't act the part well enough; 2) Diana is a better actress than we think, being that she managed even to go through the motions and pose during the usual shenanigans.

I thought Diana looked like she might be sick

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Originally Posted by zani57

Yes, those songs that everyone knows were big Motown hits -- "Good Morning, Heartache" and "My Man." :confused:

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Diana’s segment of the show was called “Movie Medley”. Someone who attended took a picture of the production log. It was only that section I saw . I’m sure her solo hits/ Supreme songs were represented in the show, either by video, or someone performing them.

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Originally Posted by zani57

Yes, those songs that everyone knows were big Motown hits -- "Good Morning, Heartache" and "My Man." :confused:

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They were from her #1 album on the Billboard charts. The Soundtrack to "Lady Sings The Blues". So these are big Diana Ross songs.

I know recent post in this thread are about Mary, or Diana, but This topic is about the taping of a Motown special. Why would it be moved out of the Motown section? So odd. Is there even any point now for me to say something about the Temptations or Marvellettes?

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Originally Posted by vgalindo

They were from her #1 album on the Billboard charts. The Soundtrack to "Lady Sings The Blues". So these are big Diana Ross songs.

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While what you say about them appearing on a Number One album, I think a "Motown 60th Special" with non-Motown artists is geared for the casual viewer, not Motown aficianados like us. If you were to ask people, "Name some of Diana Ross' hits," I highly doubt most people on the street would answer "My Man" or even "Good Morning, Heartache." It shows how much things have changed since the 1960s. Diana probably was asked what she would like to sing and there was a "negotiation" about it.
Nothing really wrong with it, it's just that I would imagine that the average casual viewer will wonder, "Why not 'Upside Down' or 'I'm Comin' Out' ? "

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Originally Posted by zani57

While what you say about them appearing on a Number One album, I think a "Motown 60th Special" with non-Motown artists is geared for the casual viewer, not Motown aficianados like us. If you were to ask people, "Name some of Diana Ross' hits," I highly doubt most people on the street would answer "My Man" or even "Good Morning, Heartache." It shows how much things have changed since the 1960s. Diana probably was asked what she would like to sing and there was a "negotiation" about it.
Nothing really wrong with it, it's just that I would imagine that the average casual viewer will wonder, "Why not 'Upside Down' or 'I'm Comin' Out' ? "

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I haven't seen the special but I was thinking these songs were chosen to highlight Motowns involvement or success in the Movies.

I for one am delighted Diana chose to sing "Good Morning Heartache" and "My Man". Now i am REALLY looking forward to seeing motown 60. As far i'm concerned she can keep "I'm Coming Out" for another day.

https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00132697.html

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Originally Posted by Ollie9

I for one am delighted Diana chose to sing "Good Morning Heartache" and "My Man". Now i am REALLY looking forward to seeing motown 60. As far i'm concerned she can keep "I'm Coming Out" for another day.

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I love & look foward to GMH and MM!

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Originally Posted by jobeterob

I thought Diana looked like she might be sick

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... maybe she heard about who was in the audience ...

Oops. Did I think that out loud?:p

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Originally Posted by bradsupremes

Looks like your sources are wrong. Here's a photo of Gordy with Mary and Claudette Robinson last night. Mary has been at a lot of events with Gordy since the musical opening and he never has snubbed her. There are lots of photos of them together, hugging, etc. In fact, Mary introduced me to Mr. Gordy back in 2015 and from what I saw the two of them had great affection for the other.

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That picture is not photo shopped LOL! Here is another of them taken that night:

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It’s tough to be a Mary’s fan now

She virtually left out of everything and unknown

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Originally Posted by jobeterob

It’s tough to be a Mary’s fan now
She virtually left out of everything and unknown

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She seems popular in Detroit. She got a gig as host for a fairly new awards show

https://i0.wp.com/www.eurweb.com/wp-...pg?w=765&ssl=1

*Detroit, Michigan – Some of the biggest names in music have been nominated for the National Rhythm & Blues Hall of Fame Class of 2019. The ten [[10) artists with the most votes will be selected to join the Class of 2019. Winners will be announced March 1. The ceremony will be televised, which will take place on June 23rd, Black Music Month in Detroit, Michigan.

The host for this year ceremony will be former member of The Supremes, Mary Wilson.



She is even one of the nominees from which they will pick ten for inductiion.

Barry White

Stevie Wonder

Berry Gordy

Jackson 5

Johnny Gill

Howard Hewett

Keith Washington

Billy Paul

Mary Wilson

Aretha Franklin


Bobby “Blue” Bland

The Isley Brothers

Hank Crosby

Gamble & Huff

George Clinton

Janet Jackson

Jerry Lee Lewis

Keith Sweat

Mary J. Blige

Nat King Cole

Patti LaBelle

Peabo Bryson

Oprah Winfrey

Stephanie Mills

The Dells


This is not a dig, and I hope it does not come across as one, but if she is being considered for just her solo career, her name seems out of place with the other nominees. The Supremes were already inducted. Mary seems to be a favorite of the organization and of Detroit. Good luck to her as a nominee. Always nice to see former Supremes do well. The group and all its members have brought me a lot of joy.

https://www.rbhalloffame.com/images/RB-6.JPG

They'll probably induct her as a music rights activist.

Well she was a Supreme through the hit making years; this is very nice for her, whoever this Hall of Fame is.

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Originally Posted by jobeterob

Well she was a Supreme through the hit making years; this is very nice for her, whoever this Hall of Fame is.

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It says the name right there in big red letters. Amazing! LOL!!!

Is it only being shown in Detroit? I can't imagine Mary would host anything that was to be shown on the big networks.

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Originally Posted by jobeterob

Well she was a Supreme through the hit making years; this is very nice for her, whoever this Hall of Fame is.

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And, let's not forget to give her kudos for not, during Diana's performance, jumping up and running through the audience screaming 'I was a Supreme once! How insulting to ME!!' before grabbing Diana's hand for a 'Reach Out' reprisal.

LMFAO. It’s 9 am, zero degrees, I’m awakened by the sound of freezing rain hitting my window and I’m in bed crying tears from laughter - thank you for giving me a great start to an otherwise freezing cold, dark morning!

the WTF look on Gordy's face IS priceless so I guess it is real..more a scowl than a smile..

Various Gordy’s are on Facebook and I see and hear no whining and complain from them about Berry Motown or Diana - I see her referred to warmly and as Auntie

Great picture!! :)