You're right, Roberta. I regret saying that in my post. I have been so disappointed by her no-show and was comparing my level of disappointment to that sad time in 2002. I offer my sincere apologies for that insensitive reference.
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https://www.billboard.com/music/awar...235212641/amp/
An article about the Lifetime Achievement Awards last night referencing Turkessa and Lisa
You aren't disillusioned, apparently, and if you read my comment closely, you'll see that my suggestion was you adding a constructive viewpoint, not me. A couple of people have taken the time to suggest reasons why she was a no show, and to caution not jumping to conclusions. You know, constructive perspective. You didn't choose to do that. You chose to call us drama queens. I think that's an unfair depiction of what's going on in this thread. It's insulting. And I realize you couldn't care less about insulting us, but I wasn't going to let your comment stand without some rebuttal and perspective on what was wrong with what you said vs what every single other person said, regardless of which side of the issue said person is on.
I disagree Roberta. Carlo simply mentioned that was the last time he had been disappointed in Diana. I think that's fair for him to state. And keep in mind, Florence's substance abuse issues 60 years ago are mentioned in every other thread every other week, and Mary's rumored indulgence in cocaine back in the day is also occasionally thrown around. Diana's DUI- a thing that could have resulted in some innocent person's death- is almost never mentioned. Go figure.
Aaaaaand it’s Michael Bublé.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Ive never brought up Miss Ballard or Miss Wilsons substance abuse issues as ive had family members struggle and loose to al;chol and drug addiction. The blessed thing is she DIDNT hurt or kill herself or even worse an innocent person but fought and licked her addiction. Nobodys house is clean when it comes to addiction.
Yours, with every good wish.
Roberta
Lol. Thank you both RanRan and Roberta for the laughs and understanding.
Sadly, I understand your feelings, Roberta. My family was also affected by the darkness of alcoholism. I'm sorry to read this is also the case for your family. I can understand why it is a triggering subject for many, despite my disappointment.
Shall we all join in for a rounding chorus of "Reach Out and Touch"? Lol.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised this thread has gone so well. I don't see any of this as "bashing"; simply everyone expressing their extreme disappointment. None of this changes my overall thoughts about Diana. But it certainly puts her in a different perspective.
Turkessa kept it classy on the Mary Wilson Instagram page about last night's honor.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CoSqz-YvO_-/
Yup, such a sweetheart and I am sure she and Lisa have been in touch with the Ross family.
Interesting how Lisa mentioned that she didn’t really know her Mom - of course she wouldn’t but we forget things like that
Whenever I've seen an article about Diana, there is almost always a nod to the Supremes. Without the Supremes, there's no Diana Ross. I'm disappointed but can't say I'm surprised. I think for me it started with Mary's passing. I thought, for example, she'd contribute to the Anthology. Nothing. She almost has a phobia of anything Supremes related yet continues to sing those songs in her show. The songs everyone wants to hear. I get it that those years with the Supremes may not have been her happiest but at her age she needs to get over it at this point.
I've heard some songs from the Thank You album and I'm going to be blunt: it's not Grammy worthy. Not even for a nomination.
As someone who had a drinking problem back in the day, went through AA, had a close friend pass away from the addiction, your words did not offend me Carlo and didn't see anything wrong with what you said.
Sorry but I have to agree.
At times in the past I've been bitter about some great songs/ albums not getting the nod but while Thank You is a solid album with some excellent tracks there's also a number of dud tracks and in purely artistic terms imo it is just shy of even attaining a nomination.
Diana deserves a Grammy but not for Thank You.
Here's my two cents. I am extremely disappointed that neither Diana nor one of her children joined Mary and Florence's daughters to accept the Lifetime Achievement Award.
I did not watch the awards last night; however, as someone else has mentioned, I will be totally pissed if Diana did show up and do her twirl on the red carpet for the main show.
Over the years, on different forums, I have always come to her defense when other 'self-proclaimed Supreme fans who hate Diana Ross' would bad mouth her or attempt to minimize her achievements. She was always my favorite since I was introduced to the Supremes in 1965...yes, I was a little late to the party.
I'm going to wait to see if she or any of her doting children come forward to explain why Diana did not participate in receiving the award. In the meantime, I'll just enjoy her music; however, I will not continue to defend or promote her. I am not going to trash my memorabilia. I do not plan to replay her interviews where speaks of being positive and grateful while her surface antics demonstrate that she really is not grateful for her tenure with the Supremes. Since she has such low regard for her time with them, maybe she should just stop relying on performing Supremes songs at her concerts.
She didn't show up at the main show last night. So that's that. She couldn't even bother to send out a Tweet about receiving this honor, instead in the last month tweeting about hats and Evan now trying to make a go at it in restaurants.
Since this means little to nothing to her, she should just drop Supremes songs from her show and just sing her solo stuff, with an emphasis on the preachy type material. Ironic that the last 10-15 years or so, she's very vocal about being positive and being loving and the Thank You album is drenched in such sentiments, but when given an opportunity to practice what she's been preaching by showing up to stand with the daughters of Mary and Flo and saying "Thank you", she couldn't do it. As marybrewster stated so much for "Thank you".
I won't destroy my Ross CDs or tune out her leads on Supremes song and just listen to the backgrounds and music, that's silly. She's a remarkable talent. But I don't regard too highly as a person. Too often vapid and self absorbed, only caring about herself and her family and that's it.
I recall reading in one of the books that her father had doubts about her joining the Primettes as he thought his daughter lacked a group mentality. Over 60 years later she continues to prove him right.
Totally agree with this. I had the same thought over the weekend.
Thank you, floyjoy. Sorry to read that your life and your friend's life had been affected by this same issue.
I'm now also in the same boat as you, Spreadinglove. I wish I didn't feel this way, but it's very obvious that what she says and what she does, are two very different things.
Ms. Ross did release a statement through her publicist on Saturday: “Performing with two talented woman, Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard, is a memory that will be in my heart forever. It was a beautiful symphony. Motown was such an incredible family. I'm forever grateful for the blessed opportunity.”
I think in accepting such a prestigious award, Diana would be facing the reality that it wasn’t all just about her. This is something i can never envisage her doing, Supremes or no Supremes.
actually i don't think that's true at all. there was a situation where at a show she did a Q&A with the audience and someone started to bash Mary. diana cut them right off and reprimanded them, saying that mary had been keeping the magic and legacy of The Supremes alive for all these years.
I think Diana did really see The Supremes as Mary's group. Diana was a member for 9 years. mary for 17. during the non-Diana years, they kept going mostly because of mary and they recorded some very good music. I believe diana was more than aware of their music and albums and very proud to have been part of the group but also very proud of mary for maintaining a "supreme" group.
i have no insider info as to why she didn't join in. i had wished she had. but she's always damned if she did, damned if she didn't
And in this case, more dammed because she didn't.
That’s just a get out of jail card created so she can never be blamed for anything.
I think the Supremes accomplished more then just making some good music. As such, i think their legacy was deserving of some kind of recognition by the only surviving original member.
I can just imagine the poor Diana posts had Mary been still alive and attended.
If they had cut out the 3 'fans" segments in the Grammys they could have shown clips from the Saturday night and maybe we could have seen Lisa and Turkessa. They didnt even mention any of Saturdays lifetime Grammys and they could have flashed to Lisa and Turkessa cause they were in the audience last night.
look i completely get it that the industry and much of the general public hasn't properly acknowledged the group. and i get it that individual former members have made poor decisions over the years regarding the group. those are things that i have 0 control or influence over.
my being a fan is based on my own personal enjoyment, not on outside recognition or acknowledgement. sure i'd love more but if they had had 75 grammies, and every album went #1 etc etc it wouldn't make me like them more. it wouldn't add any pleasure to my listening to YCHL for the 10,000,000th time. it wouldn't change my opinion that the MS&S is an amazing and classic album. it wouldn't increase the tingles down the spine every time i listen to Diana's solo rendition of Little Girl Blue. it wouldn't make me dance any faster every time i hear The Boss.
my purpose here on this forum is to delve into crazy fun minutiae on the group, trade stories and info, etc. None of that is increased or decreased based on the presence of a grammy or whether Diana shows up or not.
was she in the audience Sunday for the main awards show? i've never really bothered much with any of them so i never watch the red carpets, who's seen with who, etc.
That's fantastic for you. But not everyone has to feel the same way. Cutting through the bullshit of 1967, 1970, 1983, 2000 and any other year someone wants to throw in, It's unlikely the world would even know who she was if it weren't for the Supremes. She has forgotten her roots and disregarded their legacy.
There's no excuse why Diana didn't properly represent herself, either in person or via messenger. Period.
I want to thank Harvey Mason Jr. as the new CEO and his new direction with the Grammys.
This is a real good recap but Ive tried all day and cant find a video of Lisa and Turkessa although Lisa has said shes going to post some clips. I will keep checking Facebook.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awar...es-1235212641/
Just a couple of photos. Can't find videos either.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/wp...849.jpg?w=1000
I have mixed feelings about it. The girls look stunning, proud and represented their mothers legacy in a good way.
Ms Ross...I fail to get my head around why she ignored the whole thing.
Putting myself in her shoes, whatever she done, she could not do it right. By being there she will have overshadowed the girls, by sending her children she would have faced backlash. So, as if often, if you can't do right, then do nothing.
However, complete ignoring the whole award is making it worse. Just posting one pic, one clip could have made a difference. As people wrote, its the start of her career. The Supremes are already often overlooked. Now she is doing it herself?
Mixed feelings because I'm glad and proud the girls got their award, sad and disappointed there is complete silence from the one member who was there at the start of it all.
And sad the other Supremes, who kept the group going, despite the troubles, are ignored.
I don't think Diana Ross would have received back lash if she had appeared with Turkessa and Lisa to accept the award. The daughters aren't entertainers and they aren't trying to forge careers as public figures. Diana standing with them would have been seen as positive and gracious, unless Diana did something so spoil it like not acknowledge them or look at them, or push them, or covering their faces with her hands or trash talk their mothers and their families while making her acceptance speech while bragging about herself and her children. And if she had shown up I don't think she would have engaged in such stunts.