It's been in a least one other books as I recall. Lala Brooks and others have also spoken about the tantrums. I remember one incident written about and saying Mrs Ross was just mortified by Dianas behavior.
It's been in a least one other books as I recall. Lala Brooks and others have also spoken about the tantrums. I remember one incident written about and saying Mrs Ross was just mortified by Dianas behavior.
I thought it was during the recording of their album Supreme's sing Country, Western & Pop that it was announced that Diana Ross would sing all leads, even though the song Sunset is clearly a duet with Diana and Mary. All that aside, you cannot argue with success or the fact that people are still arguing the Supreme's group dynamics over 47 years after Florence left the group or 45 years after Diana left to launch her solo career. What we will NEVER fully know are all the details that went on in the group that have been lost to time or just stayed between the group members. And lastly, can we just stop pretending that Diana Ross alone had a diva behavior? It's pretty safe to say that if you dug around long enough you could find individuals who could tell less than flattering stories about ALL Motown's major artists and not just Diana Ross. Janis Gaye's new book on Marvin is an eye opener. I'm sure all the former Vandellas could tell unflattering storys about Martha Reeves, or the Marvalettes about their lead singers. Or the remaining Temps could share unflattering stories about their group members. Heck, I've read that at the end members of the Four Tops weren't even speaking to each other. I don't understand why so called fans of these artists and Motown feel the need to debase any of the singers or groups, seriously, what's the point?
I just think that some people have absolutely NOTHING going on in their personal lives or their lives are so empty that they keep on rehashing meaningless details of things that happened over 50 years ago and can't seem to move on. It's so sad really, I feel sorry for them.
Which is why I don't trip anymore when people bring all this stuff about Diana because a lot of the Motown acts had different lives off camera. It was like who wasn't feuding at the time, who wasn't doing someone else dirty, etc.
I think why you never see anyone bringing up dirt here on Marvin or the Four Tops or Stevie or whatever is because they're good with what they brought to the table as professionals. They can separate the person from the music. I do the same with the Supremes.
Preach RossHolloway Preach. There are three in this here forum that are obsess with Diane Ross and they obsession isnt real healthy imo. Just look over these past 3 pages and see who posted the most and youll see disturbed individuals. Dianes #1 hater posted 30 times in this here thread. A darn shame smh.
Roberta
I have to add that I think much of the content posted on this site is disgraceful and demeaning for grown men to be writing [[never comes from a woman, does it?) as well as insulting to Mr. Terrana. He has repeatedly asked ... certain of us ... to withhold the slander. I'm sure there are other sites where one can spill their misogynisitic perseverating to their hearts' content. Why not respect the wishes of the moderator of this forum and take it there?
Here's an interesting take on it; watch at 11:00.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhmTbE4eKc
You guys might not like what I'm about to say, but I have to agree with Mr. Holloway.Sometimes, regarding certain inane subjects regarding the Supremes, it just gets tiresome. And I know that trouble is lurking. The entire subject is no longer moot and I wish threads didn't keep cropping up like this. I need to remind everyone that it was I that picked up Jean Terrell from her hotel to bring her to the Donovan Building when she was selected to replace Diana Ross. After that it became a dead issue in my opinion, all do respect to all the fine singers that would come along to be Supremes. But it was no longer the Supremes, but just a very good singing group. And yes, they all qualify as back-up singers. They are just that good. Now leave all the criticizing be.
Thank you Ralph!
It's demoralizing to the forum to watch the same posters drive around their respective blocks expecting to see new houses built there. I get that most fans take a stance in the Supremes wars to one side or another thanks to a couple of books written for shock value/maximum sales rather than historical perspective. Add in certain bits of hearsay quoted [[sometimes directly) to them by other artists and the myth somehow hardens to fact that people aren't willing to change their minds on. I'd love to contribute more to the Supremes threads but even the most benign comment seems to get under the wrong persons skin or it gets used like I am in one sides camp and not the other at times which proves frustrating. I know I find myself discouraged at times from even starting threads on other artists since it seems the girls still rule the multiple threads when I sign on. At the end of the day, even if The Supremes were somehow proven to be the cattiest bunch of backstabbing women to ever walk the earth, to appreciate that over the music and the many Motowners behind the scenes who helped it reach the masses is beyond sad. The music is supposed to be what we come here to celebrate in this forum not the catfights and who was wronged when. Fifty years has passed for a majority of it. If the original parties have come to peace with it, I don't see why the fans can't....
Again, my thanks for providing a voice of reason and a forum for us that when the false eyelashes and wigs aren't flying over which Supreme did what to whom, is very enjoyable and informative.;)
Respectfully,
Glen
its real real fascinating how a handful of fans ruin every Supremes thread in this here forum by taking what "allegedly' happen 50 or 40 or 30 years ago so personally. i mean its all bassed on favoritism and hearsay and means nothing in the grand scheme of this precious gift of life. Im real glad and gratful that Ralph stepped in to ask this to stop. it spoils an otherwise real enjoyable forum.
Roberta
I checked the Ike Turner thread and the only reference to Diana was made by Marv. Naturally, it was negative and off the topic. His point was to say that just as Ike was regarded to many as an asshole, so was Diana.
As for this thread, I started it because there was a nice article acknowledging and complimented the Supremes as a group giving recording examples of them sharing lead and switching leads and singing in harmony. I liked the article and agreed. I wish the group performed more as a group and less as a lead with a background singer. But to make that point, I did not have to bash any individual Supreme. I know better as I can see what happens when Marv starts bashing. Everyone starts bashing back and Ralph deletes the thread. And it makes no sense to complain. The last time someone complained, Ralph said that Marv has a right to promote his favorite artist. He does have that right. But does he have to bash another member of the group to do it? That is where the trouble begins. Sadly most of us see it. Other don’t .
FROM THE IKE TURNER THREAD
Back to the topic of this thread. Before the Supremes, I was a fan of the McGuire Sisters. I loved their harmony and how Phyllis sang lead midway in most of the songs and then reverted back to harmony. I would have liked to have heard that more with the Supremes and agree with the article. But I still am an avid Supreme fan, liked all the Supremes, all their songs and saw and enjoyed each configuration.
It is indeed a good article and I thank you for posting it. I have a similar feeling about the group Labelle - I always wished their LPs featured more "swapped leads", such as "Can I Speak ..." because each of the 3 ladies have such distinct voices as well as harmonizing like the bejeezuz. But what's past is past, I guess. BTW, in the future I will just ignore that poster entirely. I think it best.
Thank heavens this thread is calming down. I have deliberately avoided it due the venom that has been spitted out. Why do we have to be so negative? This forum is for Motown lovers and if we cannot discuss topics in a mature and respectable way then there is little point in continuing. Let us spread love not hate. We are all entitled to our opinions but some people on here are beyond unpleasant with their narrow minded and downright repulsive comments. Thank goodness the vast majority of us are above that. I love this forum and most of the people on it. There are some very special and like minded people on here. Spread the love!!! Thank you.
I never saw The 70's groupings - they never came near Portland, except once played a homecoming dance in Eugene in 1970, but I was 14 and not allowed to travel alone. What grouping was your fave? If you could see one again, which would it be?
I've seen Scherrie & Lynda live and they are great. Would ove to have seen Jean & Susaye as well.
I only saw live JMC [[at the Americana Hotel in NYC) and they were wonderful - I loved Jean and it was she that kept my interest in the group after Diana left. DMC would have been great to see; DMF was just a tad before my time. After Jean and Cindy were gone, to me they were no longer [[HERE WE GO!) "The Supremes"; talented ladies singing [[or syncing) good new songs on TV, but for me not The Supremes I knew and loved. So the show you missed was JMC, correct?
I know a lot of people think that Florence was an overrated singer but Mary, Diana, Marvin, Martha, and so many more have all talked about what a great voice Florence had.
After Florence left there was just something missing. Then Diana left and it was completely gone. I loved the Jean, Mary, Cindy line-up but I just can't get into them except for the first album and their main hits. Like a few others said, I thought the later Supremes were great and talented ladies but Mary should have just quit when Jean did.
There was no line-up that could ever match the magic of Diana Ross, Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard.
Sorry I've been away for a while. big storm yesterday knocked power out. Just got it restored. Do I need to delete this thread or are we behaving?
Usual culprit, Roberta? Please....
Let me explain something to all of you. I have had no sleep for twenty four hours dealing with the power outage. I'm exhausted and need some sleep. The last thing I need is some petty bullshit. So please, everybody, get it together.
No Roberta. I have dealt with the Marv "vendetta" way too long. I suggest you back off.
Now please read my previous email. I'm shot. So leave it all be or I'll delete everything
Lol like it or not,it was all politics at Motown,no one knew The Supremes were going to be big,so when they hit,they hit big,sure Berry Gordy would tell them all b.s just to keep them in they're place,trust me he b.s Diana too,but no one at Motown liked Berry Gordy investin' they're money into Diana Ross,not Glady,not The Temptation,not Smokey,not Stevie,no one liked it,Diana leaving The Supremes was the best,it's funny tho,Motown was not ready for it,The Supremes Mary Cindy and Jean came out topping they're star Diana Ross,with Up The Ladder To The Roof,without the help of Motown pushing it,Diana Ross's Reach Out And Touch,didn't do so well,if Diana had hit,like The Supremes did,she would have had so much promotion,they did nothing for The Supremes,as far as promotion,all politics at Motown,when Thelma Houston got the Grammy at Motown,and Diana didn't,Motown did nothing for Thelma,had Diana won a Grammy for Motown,there would have been promotions all over the world,trust me,Mary and Florence was just as good as Diana,it was Berry Gordy's company,he was the boss,so if he wanted Diana to be the star,that was it,no one was gonna stand in his way,that why i have so much Respect for Mary Wilson,in the end she's has had, Success on her own,without the help of anyone,i'v seen Berry Gordy at her shows,he seems proud of her,hey supremester, you got too much time on your hands,too much postin lol smh
Yes, I missed JMC. I did see DMF [[too fab for words) DMC [[Rossers heaven!) Never did I see Flo, Cindy or Mary standing behind Miss Ross - I think that might have been just for TV. Anyone see it live? DMC did basically everything from TCB except Symphony[[I&^%U&^%UC$FW$). Mary had two solos but I didn't recognize the second song and still dont know what it was. I missed Flo.
Gil told me about the JML break up and how bad he felt about it because they were so easy to work with and so talented. He actually tried to get them to stay and even Motown tried. What year did you see them? Do you recall the songs?
My mother saw DMF and she said they were fantastic live.