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soulster
I personally know conservatives who are so extreme in their views that they would make radical Islamists look like hedonists. I don't know any liberals who are so extreme.
I do. I know plenty of liberals that are. And I know plenty of conservatives that aren't.
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So, what are those social "norms"?
Social norms are what regulate our society. There are three kinds. Folkways - which are unspoken rules of conduct [[i.e. keeping personal space between strangers, holding the door open for people, not hitting women, etc.). Mores - more formal laws which usually comes with a formal sanction [[i.e. speeding/speeding tickets, robbery/jail time, etc.). Finally, there are taboos - rules that come with both a formal and a moral consequence [[i.e. rape, murder, incest, etc.). There are limits to each specific norm, and breaking these norms involves some sort of reaction from observers.
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I do not judge individuals. If I meet someone I would rather not be associated with, I don't judge them or their behavior, I just say that they are not for me and move on. Sorry if that's too liberal for you. I have been around so many types of people in the world that I just don't care what people do with their lives, as long as it does not affect me directly. I may not want to be associated with what they do, or their lives, but I do not judge them for it. As for conservatives, I know that I will eventually be disappointed and annoyed with them. So, it's better for both to distance myself from them.
That's good you don't judge individuals. Neither do I.
No, that's not "too liberal" for me. Like I said, I am not a Conservative. Don't pigeon-hole me based on what little you know of me.
If you go into it thinking you're going to be disappointed, then you'll be disappointed. If you go in with an open mind, you never know...
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I never said or thought you were trying to covert me. My firm belief, based on a lifetime of experiences, is that usually people who mention morals do so based on some sort of religious dogma.
Not everyone does.
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I did not say that. And, I could have said what I did in a harsh way, but decided it would be too provocative. What I did mean is that, in my experience, people use the defense of children when they have nothing else left to use in an argument, as hardly no one would ever go against the interest of a child.
I've never encountered that, which is why I viewed your statement about children as offensive.
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I love children too, and care about the world they live in, to a point, but not when that excludes the interest of adults. I know some extremists, almost always religious, who want everything in the world to accommodate small children. How does that accommodate the interests of adults, even of those without children around? What a horrible world it would be! I envision a world with everything censored, everything dumbed-down, no intellectual stimulation, and no sexual outlet. Disney and Smurfs everywhere!
I totally disagree. What about the rights and freedoms of adults? You can't wrap every little thing around children, unless there's an unhealthy obsession with them. Let's do this: divide the country! One half with children, one without. If you have a kid, you have to move to kiddie-land. When they turn 18, you all move back to adult land. Sound silly? It may be the only option if you want to make everything child-safe.
I never said our decisions should exclude adults. I said we shouldn't make important, long-term decisions without thinking about how it impacts future generations. Of course we should consider how it impacts us now, but we are not the only ones we should consider. That is my point.
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What statement would that be?:confused:
See above.
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Most people make no attempt to know me, so why bother?
Because not all people are like that, and I believe that people deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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I have an open mind and listen until I hear BS. I'm not saying YOU do, but in general. Thing is, conservatives are usually so predictable in their rhetoric.
And Conservatives could say the same thing about Liberals - speaking as an impartial party...