And now she receives $183.14 a yearQuote:
Originally Posted by luke
And now she receives $183.14 a yearQuote:
Originally Posted by luke
Did she tell you that? That 's right, you don't know anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobeterob
Hi Marv, Actually Martha rec a nice settlement. I can’t remember her lawyers name, but he is from Detroit.
Luke on this one occasion when she was meeting with her lawyer in our building she had on this red leather suit and looked so fine.
She was always so nice and made it a point to not snub her fans. There is something very spiritual about her.
And IIRC, Martha sued Motown in 83, like six years before the Vandellas sued too. Martha got hers, I think the Vandellas got theirs but it wasn't much since they had to split it [[twice if it was just Annette and Rosalind).Quote:
Originally Posted by detmotownguy
Wait wait wait... I know she didn't receive something THAT low... I get it's probably performance royalties but that low? From someone who sung the heavens out of Heat Wave, Quicksand and Dancing in the Street?Quote:
Originally Posted by jobeterob
He made that shit up trying to be cute. He doesn't know anything about ANYTHING!Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightman
Jean Terrell went to court also for her back royalties in 1993 or 94. I can't remember now.Quote:
Originally Posted by detmotownguy
Certainly not what Martha is worth, but it is what it is. Our favorite performers would make more on royalties if they received royalties on phony fan outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobeterob
If Martha is earning that, then I hate to hear how much Annette, Rosalind, Betty and Lois are getting paid.
and you believe she is earning that amount because?Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightman
And do you know how much she's earning?Quote:
Originally Posted by marv2
I didn't even say I believed Rob. I asked him was that true lol
You're mad that you assume three black women, the offspring of the founder of the Supremes, is on welfare and that assumption backfired?
I wasn't saying Martha was only earning that much, Rob did. Ask him lol
Do you recall how much? I know they say a six figure sum but they never disclose it. I assume she makes a nice buck from Motown every year since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by detmotownguy
I know Gladys Knight continues to get royalty paychecks off her Motown hits to this day [[she said so in one of her docs, forget it was Behind the Music or her A&E Biography).
I don't know people's personal financial business and I am smart enough to know that no one else here does either! I further know that you cannot believe the net worth of celebrities that somehow get published online. If that info were true, accurate and available to the public, then Congress would not be going through all the trouble of getting Donald Trump's tax returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightman
I didn't assume anything about the Chapman sisters being on welfare......they said it themselves!
I cannot argue anymore with a child. Take care.
Florence Ballard's renedition of "Oh Holy
Night" is beautiful. I believe that if underground recordings of Flo's singing, during the interval
of time, between her recording contracts, were
to be discovered, they could be released as an album-with royalties given to her children.
1. Have Flo's children ever signed away literary rights for the family authorized biography of
Florence Ballard?
2.After Florence left The Supremes, much has been written about the minimal contact maintained by Mary Wilson and Diana Ross. How much contact existed between them and Florence Ballard? Did Berry Gordy limit contact?
3. I think Diana Ross and The Supremes were overworked,which had an effect on their interpersonal relationships. Any thoughts on this?
4.Diana Ross' request for her private dressing room seems to be to find some peace during
this hectic working period.Should Mary and Florence also had their own private dressing
room?
5.In the movie "Mahogany" Tracey Chambers'
seamstress is named, "Aunt Flo". Coincidence?
From sources I have been told that Berry was the one that gave Flo the money for her home in the 70s, as a last part of her settlement. And the trust was funded by Motown and Diana was the "spokesperson" so to speak, like she was for the Jackson 5. Also Mary stated in an interview right after Flo's death that Motown gave Tommy a job to provide for the kids, so Berry may have made some subtle attempts to assist. Im sure if the ladies had shown some attempts on their own to have a better life they would have received more help. Diana offered them all a college education, they all turned it down
Though Florence Ballard signed away her rights to use Florence Ballard, formerly of
The Supremes, as a personal marketing tool,was she ever compensated for her marketing expertise in choosing such a great name for a female group? The Supremes vs The Beatles? One name is royalty while the other name is an insect! Ha! Ha!
I wish Gladys Knight had advised Florence Ballard on legal matters.
Gladys knew her worth and which train to take to the bank.
Too bad, she walked into a casino.
You know, Gladys Knight did try to help. By the time Florence Ballard was fired from the Supremes, her name was very famous [[not as much as it is today) she could have gotten further with the right people behind her. I believe that certain things happened behind the scenes to derail her recording career and contract with ABC Records.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNSUN
1.) No idea. I think them writing an autobiography on their mother could be interesting though they were just babies when she died [[Nicole and Michelle, the twins, being around 8, and Lisa being 3/4-ish) but they could've saved details from their relatives and make it worthwhile. Don't know about now since Lurlee, most of the Ballard siblings and their father [[who died just five years after Flo) are now deceased.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNSUN
2.) I don't think Berry limited contact but who the heck knows? Florence didn't see neither of the Supremes for years and didn't want to. It was only around 1974 that she hesitantly agreed to get onstage with Mary, Cindy [[who she initially had disdain for when there were talks of her replacing her) and Scherrie at Disneyland but even then, Florence was still struggling with her alcoholism and depression. Plus Flo's mood swings made her suspicious about any calls coming from Motown or Diana. They began patching things up [[Mary & Diana) around 1975. Flo told Peter Benjaminson that Diana called her and they talked like nothing had happened before the Supremes became big time and since both were young mothers [[I think Chudney had yet to be born when Diana and Flo talked to each other), they probably talked about parenting among other things).
3.) I definitely agree. Save for the Jackson 5, Four Tops and Temptations, I've never seen an act more overworked at Motown than Diana, Mary & Flo. Who knows how Mary was really feeling during the heyday [[she seemed to be more like "besides from Motown pushing Diane away from us, it was lovely blah blah blah"), but Flo struggled with it and openly told Berry and the girls how she hated it, and Diana had a double whammy, being "the boss' girl" and singing lead on virtually 95% of their material. She collapsed onstage a few months before the Vegas split and stress and work caused her to have bad eating habits [[she has claimed she was probably suffering from anorexia nervosa). We know Diana LOVED being a star but she paid a very heavy price as we all know now.
4.) That might've been it. Diana is a very complex woman. I can't see her having one side, neither could I do that to Mary and Flo. These three were totally complex human beings who came together, not from sisterhood, but from wanting the same goal: to sing and be a star. I don't think they all necessarily wanted to be famous but they clearly wanted to be stars and after a while, they no longer had the same goals and were growing up [[remember, they were only 14 and 15 years old when they formed the Primettes; by the time you reach your early 20s, you're not gonna have the same goals, no one does. Not too many acts stay together. Ego was always gonna be a problem and they all had ego but Diana's ambitious streak eclipsed Mary's and Flo's).
Florence often talked about how after they found fame, they were forced to split time apart anyway, she claimed each member had their own hotel room and neither of them would see each other until it was time to get ready for the show, as she said, "it seems that we were splitting up in that matter". After 1965, there started to not be that much camaraderie especially after Diana's star turn that year.
5.) Could've been a coincidence. :) I don't make much of that lol
Fame's a beast. RIP Flo.
I know Gladys wishes she hadn't decided to play in the casinos, that can be as addicting as drugs: gambling your life away is what I called it. I guess it was that deep that she became a Mormon later on... IDK. But back in the '60s and '70s, few Motown acts were managing their money. Only Gladys Knight & the Pips did, that might've been a reason Gladys felt the group were outsiders there despite their reputation as one of its best-selling acts in the late '60s and early '70s.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNSUN
I thought Diana was saying a little light flows .
I don't know. It may be my hearing. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by khansperac
You may be right. :)
Forget #5. My other four points still matter. :D
1. i've never really heard much. there was some fan gossip that they were involved with this supposed movie about Flo but i wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNSUN
2. supposedly mary kept in a little contact. she brought Flo to that Motown party at Berry's house/pool. that was the last time the 3 original Supremes were together while alive. the next time would be Flo's funeral. I'd assume that Berry had little to no contact with her after she left Vegas. at that point their professional and personal relationships were destroyed. But after a while life just took it's course. Mary was crazy busy touring with DRATS and then The New Sups. Diana was completely wrapped up with her work too. and flo's mental state seriously declined by 69, 70.
Diana attempted to help out with the mortgage on Flo's house just before she lost it. but according to Randy, either Tommy or someone wouldn't allow her to simply make the check payable to the bank and Flo wouldn't return her calls. Whether it was paranoia or shame or whatever, who knows. Flo did have a phone call with Diana after seeing Mahogany. I'm not sure they'd had much
3. absolutely. It's all about money.
4. at this point Diana was shouldering really the entire burden of the group. she was singing all of the leads in the show plus LEADING the show with her energy and persona, constantly recording, interviews, appearances, travel, etc. The inter group dynamics were pretty much destroyed by this time. the tension between Flo and Diana was rapidly spiraling out of control. Berry was probably willing to do just about anything to makes things easier for her [[outsider of reducing the work). if having a private dressing room would reduce her stress and keep her on point, that would be an easy decision. she could sleep in there, rest up. Flo wouldn't be there to argue or fight.
It was also reported on this forum by Rick, don’t recall his last name but he is a flo/supreme expert. He said Diana visited Flo at her home And they chatted for a good while.
^^^The guy I’m referring to was not just a forum member. He can be seen on almost all Motown documentaries. The story he was referring to was for I believe the mystery and scandals show on Florence Ballard as told to him by family members. This story was unfortunately left out of the show.
Interesting... I definitely won't deny this happened. I think after 1974, Flo had stopped holding grudges. Unfortunately with her early death, we'll never know what would've happened with her career and her future relationships with her former partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by khansperac
His name is Rick Bueche. I believe he placed Diana's visit to Flo as being circa 1970.Quote:
Originally Posted by khansperac
I've also read that Diana invited Flo to Rhonda's first birthday party, which would have been in 1972.
The children have no control over who can write about Florence and you can’t defame a deceased personQuote:
Originally Posted by sup_fan
But they could write their own book. Didn’t Maxine make some dreadful attempt?
I read that as well. They said after Diana sang HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Flo responded "She's singing flat." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by floyjoy678
I read about that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by floyjoy678
Yeah Rick Bueche. Saw him on the DR and Flo docs.
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