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Ugh. What was the point of announcing her intentions? Girl, just do it and tell us about it afterwards.
She's trying though
does that Wilson gal forget the 20+ years of nonstop Diana bashing and devaluing Diana ??
Diana will never trust her again. Nor would I.
drama. should have done this in 2000.geez
day late n a dollar short
She;s name dropping Diana ross name again...............it's how she makes a living,the woman has no shame just saying'
Here we go again for another round of the "Housewives of the Motown Forum." I have tub of popcorn ready.
Leaving a lot aside, I can feel what Mary says; she's aging and trying to be human
Creeping is what we call it in UK. MW sold that girl right down the pan.and should never be let back in DR Life, Sorry Hope DR gets a security ban on her.DR HAS given her so many chances and MW Has let DR Down big time she is no friend,sorry but it's the truth.keep an eye DR .cheers.
People on this forum should be as generous as Mary is in this interview. She said she was apologizing for any offenses. Please follow Mary's lead [[and that applies to both the Mary and Diana partisans). I'm too old for this sheet.
Mary is a very smart woman, but like any intelligent person she is occasionally subject to a dumb ass moment. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a dumb ass moment. I hate that she announced this. And for the record I believe she is very sincere on why she'll try to see Diana. It's that sincerity that caused her the lapse in judgement to announce to the world what she planned to do. She got caught up in the moment. Now that she has said this, it gives the devil and his imps the chance to intervene. Not that I believe any of the usual suspects in this forum have an open line to Diana Ross, but if the attitudes that presented itself in this thread [[and others) are any indication of desire, certain people would love to jump at the chance to get in Diana's ear and say "Mary said she's going to try to come. Don't see her! She's just coming to start some mess!". And while Diana is also a very intelligent woman, like any intelligent person, she is prone to lapses in wisdom and could certainly fall prey to anyone in her camp who would rather die than to see these two women lay their issues to rest.
Yes, this should have been done in 1999/2000 [[even earlier). But having witnessed first hand what it's like for a death to be the end of any possible reconciliation between two or more people, that's not something I wish on anyone, not even my worst enemy. It would not surprise me if both Diana and Mary managed to live well past 80, even 90 [[they both look so good and seem to take good care of themselves) so I'm hoping they have many more years on earth [[and continuing to share their gift with us), but tomorrow isn't promised to anyone, so hopefully Mary does get to see Diana and the two of them- and only the two of them- can get together, lay it out, air it out and then throw it out, and they can move forward. As my grandmother would say, make the devil mad. Cuz a bunch of y'all would be PISSED if these two women made up. PISSED. How pathetic is that?
Both have made mistakes in their shared past and it seems like Mary is trying to make amends. Is it too little too late, hard to say. But since they have some communication in the last 10 years, at least the lines are open. Ran I believe you when you said folks would loose their minds if they made up. If that happens, what would they talk about?
RanRan, to me this means she is trying. She certainly doesn't harbor the animosity that the two sides on this forum do. Let's just assume everything that transpired was all Mary's fault, which it wasn't, but let's assume that. She is trying to reach out here. Shouldn't Diana be magnanimous? Letting bygones-be-bygones is what should happen at later stages of life, especially when there are still so many people who love each lady as much as they do. That won't last forever. Time is washing away memories.
If Mary actually goes to the venue, should she be rebuffed? Was she not a real part of Diana's success? Even if one takes Diana's side 100%, no one can deny that without Mary and Florence she may not have gotten the stardom she did. Both sides can try to rewrite history, but it is what it was. What is accomplished by holding on to old grievances? You just end up a bitter old bast*rd. Like the current person who occupies the office of President of the United States. Who wants to end up like that?
Both have made mistakes, exactly. They are both human, no more, no less. As long as Diana is receptive to Mary's overtures, I don't think it's too late. But you better believe some of the names in this thread that are so anti Mary, along with some other names in other threads that are so anti Diana, if the two women made up, and especially if they forged a new relationship, we actually might not see some screen names post anymore as they may commit suicide. But lets say they don't kill themselves, you ask what would they talk about? The same shit they've been talking about. Do you really think these kinds of people would let the principle players reconcile and it would mean these non principle players would suddenly play nice or refuse to bring up the past? LOL They get their lives on hate. Diana and Mary loving each other won't stop that.
Any healing that goes on between two people helps heal the world. Let’s wish them well!
That's a really nice thought, Luke. Let's hope it spreads!
Thanks thanxal and good for you for your positive thoughts!
Thread highlights:
jobucats referring to thread as another episode of “The Housewives Of The Motown Forum”
RanRan making such an intelligent and wide-ranging post that he manages to discuss the life expectancies for Diana and Mary
RanRan suggesting that both anti-Diana and anti-Mary posters would kill themselves should the two ladies actually make up
blackguy reminding us all of the various other pointless and ridiculous arguments over former Motown artists available for us to start through the medium of internet forum
thanxal saying sheet
RanRan quoting his grandmother
luke promoting himself to leader of the World Peace Council
Lol, I don’t know why I just did that, I guess I felt like it :D
The only dates left this time around are October 25 27 28
And Tomato tom being the Henny Youngman of SD!
Thanxal I would repost but can't remember everything I said. The one thing I do recall was that I have to cut Mary some slack with her announcement. My original issue was that she made the announcement to "us" before Diana. In other words we knew she was attempting to reconcile with Ross before Diana knew. But BG made a good point about the lines of communication being open between the two of them within the last ten years, so whose to say that Mary hasn't spoken to Diana or text her or whatever to let her know that she would try to make it and they should talk? Contrary to popular belief around here, we don't know everything that goes on between these two women, nor should we know everything. I don't know if Mary contacted Diana or not, I'm just saying my original post was made with only one scenario in mind and I have to remember that I'm only guessing and have no knowledge of the situation beyond Mary's words in the video.
As for you Thanxal, you, BG and a few others are the voices of reason around here. Your observations are objective and that should allow for good discussions, even when it's not just the music. If only everyone's input were as fair when it comes to this group of women.
I just saw this thread and am proud and amazed at how civil and on-point it is.......a beautiful thing in itself! For me, all i’m Going to say is that IF both parties involved are seeking ‘healing’ then i’m All for anything that brings more peace and love to individuals and thusly, the world. I’m one of the members who has no contact with Diana, but I doubt very much that IF she was warned it would have any difference in her actions. Ross doesn’t need input from anyone about her feelings about anyone in her personal life, I would suspect. If she was uneasy about her feelings with Mary, I think she’s the type to do something about it - she must be aware how a Mary feels after countless interviews. For that reason, if Mary goes to her show, I predict Diana will do a repeat of Motown The Musical - which I witnessed personally, remember - where Diana was gracious, smiling and got the hell outta there - staying at the after party a full five minutes. Mary has not heard from her since. I think Diana crossed Mary off thirty years ago and and has moved on - way, way on. They both played Vegas the same weekend earlier this year and not a peep from Ross. Mary knows Ross better than most and is well aware her only guarantee is a forced public meeting, but I don’t think Diana will bite.
Im also not sure why Mary is seeking this so fervently as I have never, ever heard her utter one positive thing about Diana the person. She’s not necessarily negative either, mind you, but lots of rolled eyes and no stories about their good old days as friends, no references at all. I’m sure there are others here who know Mary that would concur. Cindy has said point blank that Diana and Mary were not close when she joined the group - that Diana spent some time with them, but often was alone or with Berry or others. I’ve been in touch with Mary since the 70s and I would bet my pension they have not had contact more than a dozen times since January 14, 1970. What exactly is she seeking?