Yeah I think a separate DRATS forum is a good idea. Containment brings contentment - at least to me. Who knows, I might even visit now and again.
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Yeah I think a separate DRATS forum is a good idea. Containment brings contentment - at least to me. Who knows, I might even visit now and again.
At the risk of being a wet blanket , and a foreseerer of doom,
it would seem that all of the "Diana" and all of the "Mary" themed topics will still be in the Motown forum.
Ralph suggests Drats, Supremes etc above..
So it seems ALL Supremes related posts in this dedicated forum. Seems sensible.
I see Diana and Mary threads being kept in the Motown forum. Some of them are the very threads that caused this ruckus
I don’t understand the name of the forum, why can’t it just be named the Supremes forum? I suspect the real issue here is some are annoyed at seeing the name Diana Ross so often, that is the real issue. Why not be men about it and be honest. Both Mary Wilson and Diana Ross have had long solo careers and post about them will still be in the Motown forum and should never be moved to a Diana Ross and the Supremes forum. If they do get moved it only will prove my point. So the reality of the matter is Little to nothing will change. Grown mens feelings about it will still be hurt.You are going to see a flurry of new threads posted and activity in the Motown forum to Prove this was a good decision and in time those threads will be like ghost towns. The only thing new is you will not be able to use DRATS as an excuse for why.
Those old folks ain’t coming back and it has nothing to do with DRATS. No prejudice or ageism, but they are old and have better things to do with the time they have left. That has always been the go to excuse.
She left that group almost 40 years ago. Anything she or Mary Wilson are currently doing has nothing to do with that group. Can somebody please tell me what is a child forum?
Surely it makes sense for all Supremed, group and solo, to be posted in one forum?
What is so difficult about that?
That doesn’t Make sense.
So what would you do with The Jackson 5?
Have threads about the group in a J5 forum...and solo threads in another forum?
Surely all J5 fans would welcome a 'home' for all related threads about their favourite group. Couldn't be simpler..but Supremes...commonsense goes out of the window.
If you post about Mary Wilson in the Drats forum , people can ignore it or respond....why does that have to be in the Motown or main SDF forum?
So it actually happened then, and I was here to witness it! The forum looks so different!!!!! :D
I hope this will be a good thing! My only concern is that I may become less motivated to go into Diana Ross/Supremes threads, because they are in a separate section. But then again, this may have a positive effect on my mental stability and view of human nature, so eh :p
Using your own argument, how does anything DR or MW are currently doing have ANYTHING to do with a label they left many many years ago. Yet the Motown forum is clogged up with this stuff.
However on the specialist generic Supremes forum, all this stuff can be posted and the Motown forum can concentate on Motown related items.
This post is an example of the kind of thing that will now be contained in the new section.
You can argue until the cows come home about what DRATS is, and, if i'm understanding Ralph, you can call names and bicker and he won't give a rat's ass. It's a new playground. Go at it!
You know, they've been doing that for years. Well it's actually only the same 4-5 guys, but I digress. Every since I mentioned that I did not care for Diana Ross and did not think she was over and above all other artists I have been the "enemy" LOL! Should I go further? LOL!!!!
I'm fine with this new move. It's not like anyone is being prevented from discussing the Supremes and their solo careers and other related topics. I think the cries about "people come to the forum and see a bunch of DRATS topics" are funny. Who comes to a Motown forum and is shocked to see a bunch of threads about it's most successful act? It's like someone complaining that they went to an Atlantic Records forum and thought there was a lot of Aretha talk over there. No shit Sherlock.
This move won't stop Supremes related discussions. It won't stop the bickering. The interesting thing will be, as someone mentioned previously, if the main Motown forum doesn't fire up with activity, what excuse will there be? This move is great if it's only accomplishment is to shut up the moans and groans about too much Supremes talk. We won't have to read it anymore because the folks who complain won't have to see it.
That would be assuming that Mr. Nobody-Thinks-About-Diane-But-I-Post-About-Diane-All-the-Time wouldn't bother coming into the threads, but you know he'll still find his way into Ross threads. He'll still be one of the main Supremes posters. And he'll still post a million threads about Mary Wilson...and because of the way Ralph and Lowell have set it up, he'll have to come to the Supremes forum to post about Mary Wilson. This move will do nothing to stop the supposed attacks against He Who Shall Not Be Named nor will it stop the messy nonsense via him and some of the others. There's no hope here for civilized Supremes discussions unless everyone starts liberally using the ignore feature. And considering how often some of the same folks get into it with the same other folks, some folks obviously don't want to use the feature because they like the arguing.
What I would have liked to see the mods do is put their foot down on some of the non music related topics. I love Diana Ross, but I've seen topics about her going to the grocery store. And while I'm a fan of Tracee and Evan's acting, I feel people stretch it by posting about them here. It would be nice if there was an edict to keep posts music related.
[QUOTE=RanRan79;463879]I think the cries about "people come to the forum and see a bunch of DRATS topics" are funny. Who comes to a Motown forum and is shocked to see a bunch of threads about it's most successful act?
Ran,
Not everyone wants to talk about, or even likes DRATS. You may be shocked to know that if you look at the longevity, and consistent sales, The Temptations or Stevie Wonder may prove to be Motown's most popular in so many ways. And, the latter two are still making albums.
It's not meant to. It's meant to contain it in one forum so that the other topics won't get drowned out, and the constant incivility will be contained.Quote:
This move won't stop Supremes related discussions.
I don't think it will, either. I see it as a test.Quote:
It won't stop the bickering.
One goal is to make the overall forum a place where people not obsessed with all things DRATS, and the industry people can feel comfortable.Quote:
The interesting thing will be, as someone mentioned previously, if the main Motown forum doesn't fire up with activity, what excuse will there be?
Yup. And, they can peek in to see how everyone can behave, and not blame Marv for the world's problems anymore. If any animosity breaks out, they will have only themselves to blame.Quote:
This move is great if it's only accomplishment is to shut up the moans and groans about too much Supremes talk. We won't have to read it anymore because the folks who complain won't have to see it.
Exactly! Then you will be able to gauge if it's really him causing problems ow that he can remove himself from the situation, or if you guys aren't just using him as an excuse when you guys claw each other over Mary and Diana. Let's see how much of it is bashing Marv now. It's a test.
That's not my point, who wants to talk about them. My point is that you can't be surprised that they're being talked about in a Motown forum. On an Atlantic forum I'm sure there would be people coming to talk about Ray Charles or Ruth Brown or Wilson Pickett, but who would be surprised to come in and see a ton of posts about Aretha Franklin, whether they wanted to talk about her or not? It's logical. What should shock people is if they ever came to the Motown forum and saw a bunch of posts about Little Lisa. That would be the time to worry.:D
I know, that was my point. The mods aren't preventing anyone from talking Supremes so what's the fuss? I have an extra button click I have to do in order to get to the Supremes talk. Big deal.:rolleyes:
Oh, it's really him. There's no doubt about that. The issue is that he isn't the only one. He Who Shall Not Be Named couldn't do this much damage on his own. There are several other posters [[some of whom are actually one person, I'm convinced) whose entire existence here is to do all the same stuff Mr. Nobody-Thinks-About-Diane-But-I-Post-About-Diane-All-the-Time does. They go into Mary Wilson threads and derail the conversation, not with constructive criticism but with comments they use to bait He Who Shall Not Be Named and a few others into a war of words. Ya know, the same shit Mr. Nobody-Thinks-About-Diane-But-I-Post-About-Diane-All-the-Time does.
You have to ask yourself why do you even see certain names in certain threads. The Eaten Alive thread was derailed [[rather briefly in comparison to the other derailments) by the issue you and I had, but mostly by the reactions to comments Mr. Nobody-Thinks-About-Diane-But-I-Post-About-Diane-All-the-Time was making [[and still making in that thread, btw). While he has as much right to his opinions as anyone else in this forum, when you make it a point to let everyone know how much disdain you have for a person, what would be your reason to enter the threads in the first place? It's like me going into a Beyonce thread. I don't have disdain for her, but I cringe at her popularity. [[There's literally a church devoted to worshiping her. While I suspect that various Diana Ross fans and at least one Mary Wilson fan has a worship corner or closet in their home devoted to worshiping these Supreme divas, we have yet to see the establishment of an actual religion.) I would have no reason to be in a thread devoted to Beyonce other than to criticize and antagonize. He Who Shall Not Be Named is a troll who for whatever reason is respected by some folks here. But I've said for a year now that as trollish as he is, he is not the only one. And some of the ones who complain about him crossing lines when it comes to Ross, do the same thing when it comes to Wilson.
Shit is crazy.
Who cares about what The Supremes ate for lunch on March 15, 1966?! The real discussion here is clearly about their breakfast on June 28, 1965. :p
Who are you to tell us what the real discussion is? You're just mad that we skipped right over that thread about what the Four Tops had as a late night snack on November 7, 1964. And for the record, there is no debate here. On March 15, 1966, Florence had a cheeseburger and fries, Mary had a hot dog with extra relish, and Diana skipped lunch in order to rehearse for their appearance at the Boom Boom Room that evening. And on June 28, 1965, for breakfast Florence had a bowl of cereal, Mary had a bowl of fruit, and Diana had a slice of her mama's bread with homemade jam [[see what I did there?). And on November 7, 1964 the Four Tops each had a slice of pie that Mary Wilson made for them. This is the truth. I know what I'm talking about. It's none of your business how I know. I am not required to reveal my sources. I only state the facts. Sorry if that pisses you off.:p
Everyone knows about the pie Mary Wilson served The Four Tops!
What difference does any of this make beyond it’s something else to chatter about?
Who really cares where the heck anything is? You found it before, you’ll find it now.
Will it change any minds? Wii old posters come back?
No.
Life will likely go on for most of us.
I hear Marvin Gaye singing “but who really cares, who’s willing to try......”
No, the purpose was to protect the other forums on here, namely Motown and Soulful Detroit.
It will be very interesting to see how much the regular contributors in this Supremes forum visit and participate in Motown and SDF. I suspect hardly any involvement at all, proving that they only have an interest in Ross/Supremes and very little in Motown , or other Soul music.
Yet the Motown forum was swamped with it, and SDF would have gone the same way.
Looking forward to The Supremres sing HDH when it's available.....
No. The purposes are to prevent the constant fights from contaminating the other threads and forums, and to keep the multitude of DRATS threads from overwhelming the forum. So far, there has been a correction, and we are seeing more non-DRATS threads becoming prominent, and not sinking under the weight of DRATS threads.
As for my, or anyone else's participation in this DRATS forum, no one is prohibited from posting anywhere on the site, except that all DRATS-related posts and threads must be contained in this area.
I still have an interest in DRATS new releases, like "The Supremes Sing Holland Dozier Holland" that's coming up. I'm as excited as you are about it. I enjoy "The Supremes-A-Go-Go" set.
I never had anything against the DRATS fans, except for their extreme obsessive nature that took over the overall forum, and the stupid fights that broke out everywhere.
I think you will see with this new place is that the things or people you thought were enemies, or antagonistic, aren't really, unless they resort to the same wallowing in the mud. And, I can tell by the avoidance of even mentioning certain names by some members, that they could also be the problem. But, whatever...the way I read Ralph's comments yesterday is that people could fight all they want to in here and he won't care. That tells me that he isn't going to moderate this room. So, if something does break out, it's knock-down and drag-out, baby! I'm going to show you guys that I am not like that and was never the problem. I am a lone wolf in this site. I do not belong to any of the cliques, and don't want to. I do not side with any group or individual. Any similar opinions with anyone are purely a coincidence. I think and post for myself.
Like I said, once the newness wears off, I think the only people who will post up in here will be the hard-core DRATS fans. No complaining to Ralph if a fight happens.
One interesting side effect is that I can unignore some people now.