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soulster
Well, you're the one who decided to offer up analogies to wiping paper behind closed doors. It seems we are actually on the same side of this issue, but you would rather be at odds with me because you don't like the way I presented the racial component of it. I guarantee you, it's there.
Why does congress refuse to enact stricter gun laws? They live in fear of retribution at the ballot box. But, to be fair, it isn't just republicans. A fair number of democrats also fear political retribution.
I apologize for my rather crude analogy. It wasn't the racial component of your posting I objected to it was your suggestion to arm more people with guns in a society already overloaded with firearms. We have over 270,000 guns in this country which greatly disgusts and distresses me. Stand your ground laws already cause an increase in homicides. You see when you tell the George Zimmerman's of the world that "its okay to take out your gun and start shooting people" it results in more deaths. Adding more guns would only justify Stand Your Ground and increase the murder rate. But then again reality is just propaganda for the the NRA.
CE
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Originally Posted by
soulster
Well, you're the one who decided to offer up analogies to wiping paper behind closed doors. It seems we are actually on the same side of this issue, but you would rather be at odds with me because you don't like the way I presented the racial component of it. I guarantee you, it's there.
Why does congress refuse to enact stricter gun laws? They live in fear of retribution at the ballot box. But, to be fair, it isn't just republicans. A fair number of democrats also fear political retribution.
I know you are trying to side-step a part of what I am talking about because you're offended, but I am indeed talking about the far-right WHITE voter. The republicans have allowed these radicals to control the party, because, while they might not agree with what they stand for, they see them as the best chance they have to get back into the white house and control all of congress again.
Then the Republicans are even more delusional if that's even possible. For the record, I never side step on an issue I believe in.
CE
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10 Pro Gun Myths Shot Down.
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Originally Posted by
Crystaledwards
I apologize for my rather crude analogy. It wasn't the racial component of your posting I objected to it was your suggestion to arm more people with guns in a society already overloaded with firearms. We have over 270,000 guns in this country which greatly disgusts and distresses me. Stand your ground laws already cause an increase in homicides. You see when you tell the George Zimmerman's of the world that "its okay to take out your gun and start shooting people" it results in more deaths. Adding more guns would only justify Stand Your Ground and increase the murder rate. But then again reality is just propaganda for the the NRA.
CE
OK, now I understand your being offended. And, I agree. But, again, I think that is the only thing that will make [[politicians) rise up and say "Enough!", and stand up to the NRA and all the other gun nuts.
I do live in one of those gun nut states, and am probably used to seeing anyone walking around with firearms on holsters or tucked into their pants. I'm a bit immune to that. But, it's always those of a particular demographic doing it. You never see anyone else carrying guns. The rest are concealed, which you can carry without a permit here, too.
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Originally Posted by
soulster
OK, now I understand your being offended. And, I agree. But, again, I think that is the only thing that will make [[politicians) rise up and say "Enough!", and stand up to the NRA and all the other gun nuts.
I do live in one of those gun nut states, and am probably used to seeing anyone walking around with firearms on holsters or tucked into their pants. I'm a bit immune to that. But, it's always those of a particular demographic doing it. You never see anyone else carrying guns. The rest are concealed, which you can carry without a permit here, too.
I still vehemently disagree with you on adding more guns. I firmly believe it is a recipe for disaster. If gunning down children in the classroom doesn't affect Politicians, then they are completely soulless and should be voted out of Congress.
I could never get used to people walking around with visible guns in holsters. Allowing concealed weapons also makes me very uncomfortable. Are you in Texas perchance?
CE
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He's in Arizona. And there is no way to prevent the guns at this point. It's only a question of how you can best protect yourself. Forget that stupid idea about arming teachers. They will kill even more kids as they shoot blindly in the general direction of the attacker. Armed combat is no joke and the person that scares me nearly as much as the assailant is some wannabe cowboy a who thinks that he's in charge because he's strapped. That's the same panicky bullshit attitude that Zimmerman displayed up until the point that he was getting his as beat by a17-year old.
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Jerry Oz
He's in Arizona. And there is no way to prevent the guns at this point. It's only a question of how you can best protect yourself. Forget that stupid idea about arming teachers. They will kill even more kids as they shoot blindly in the general direction of the attacker. Armed combat is no joke and the person that scares me nearly as much as the assailant is some wannabe cowboy a who thinks that he's in charge because he's strapped. That's the same panicky bullshit attitude that Zimmerman displayed up until the point that he was getting his as beat by a17-year old.
Then he has my sincerest sympathy. There must be something in the drinking water in the state of Arizona. Governor Jan Brewer, Sheriff Adolph Arpaio and Rep. David Schweikert make Mitt Romney look somewhat liberal and that's saying something.
Arming teachers is such an asinine idea but the NRA is firmly behind it.
CE
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Mitt Romney was a moderate before selling out to the tea baggers. So was John McCain. Both had a chance to beat Obama by running on their record, but not by wiping the slate and rebranding themselves as hardcore conservatives. Until they realize that they scare people with their crazy solutions, they will need a Democrat to absolutely shoot herself/himself in the foot to win the presidency.
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Jerry Oz
Mitt Romney was a moderate before selling out to the tea baggers. So was John McCain. Both had a chance to beat Obama by running on their record, but not by wiping the slate and rebranding themselves as hardcore conservatives. Until they realize that they scare people with their crazy solutions, they will need a Democrat to absolutely shoot herself/himself in the foot to win the presidency.
Mitt Romney was a horrible candidate and a very unlikeable man. McCain ruined all of his credibility as a moderate by accepting Sarah Palin for his veep. He must deeply regret agreeing to Palin to this day. He wanted Joe Lieberman and should have insisted on Lieberman. He allowed Rove to force Palin on him and lost all of my respect for putting that ignorant fool from Alaska on the National stage.
CE
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Crystaledwards
Are you in Texas perchance?
CE
I'm in Arizona, and it's about the same here. If you can't get used to seeing people casually walk around with guns, don't come here!
You did make me think of something else, though. A lot of the disagreements and arguments on this forum come from people not knowing much about each other, other than the old-timers who already know each other from past associations. Once one understands who we are, and what kind of environment another comes from, I believe there will be less hostility...or, that is my hope.
Except for the love of Motown music, I probably have less in common with everyone else on this forum.
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IN the immediate aftermath of major shootings there are plenty of people out there demanding gun control legislation, but by and large they fade away and go back to their lives. Hard core, committed Gun control advocates, so far, are just not as numerous as Gun proponents. Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg is funding pro gun control candidates for primary runs. Until voters come out to vote out those who toe the NRA line, then we're not going to see any change. If Sandy Hook couldn't get some gun control legislation passed, nothing will unless enough politicians fear they may lose their jobs.
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You said it all right there.