Soulster,
Thanks for giving me something to think about. I'll keep an eye out. If I see something funny I'll just zap it. I will not let a few idiots come on and try and ruin this forum.
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Soulster,
Thanks for giving me something to think about. I'll keep an eye out. If I see something funny I'll just zap it. I will not let a few idiots come on and try and ruin this forum.
Yes, it's about slandering gays. This has nothing to do with Diana Ross or Mary Wilson. That's just a proxy for the real reason. It's all about what Marv allegedly said in a YouTube video about gays, a video they say he has long since deleted. The Ross fans have made numerous references to this over the years, and I suspect the reason no one else addresses this is because they don't want to be seen as homophobic.
I only meant to present a possible solution with offering a link to my forum. I would like to see a forum, where people can discuss D.R./The Supremes without the amount of hatred that has appeared here. There was another forum that went south, and it no longer exists. It was called Diana Web or something like that. If anyone is interested, you can PM me.
Hey Marv,
How have you been? Thanks for the kind words.
As I've said, Soulful Detroit is never far from my heart & mind, but due to my mother's health & taking care of my sister, I had to scale back on running to show, as mom came first. So there wasn't much to post that would be of interest here, as most of the group that I was covering were local here in the N.Y. area.
But the last time that I did come here to post pictures of Blue Lovett's Memorial, there was a bit of a misunderstanding & rather than respond to what was posted, knowing that my patience was very short, I simply said, forget it & just left it at that.
Another things was that since the last overhaul, it was harder to post pictures as we once did. It seemed as though there was a limit to the number of pictures that you could upload & I tend to upload a lot of pictures.
But my plan is to come back & post pictures of events. It actually bugs me to have to post pictures to Facebook. While it has its good points, it's just not Soulful Detroit.
Personally, no one's really gotten under my skin enough to use the "ignore" button, when I can use some self control & simply ignore a post that I'm not to crazy about.
I'll continue to try to recruit music fans, both old & new to come here. If more of them come here to discuss music, that can counteract the few problems that we do have.
Either way, I believe that it's worth a try, which is why despite anything or anyone, I refuse to say anything disparaging about this place, where no matter how far I go, will always be a place that I consider to be home.
Soulster,
As far as trying to destroy THIS forum, you're 100% correct about that & actually, it was once brazenly stated.
And all of this indeed stems from crap that happened outside of Soulful Detroit, but it was dragged here. All that anyone really needs to know about this, is the fact that people went as far as posting people's government names [[which is a definite no-no) & trying to e-mail forumers viruses. And that was done RIGHT HERE. Anyone remember any of that?
And the same nonsense that happens here led to that Motown Group being shut down.
And despite suddenly having nowhere to go, Ralph & Lowell supplied them a home here & one would think that people would appreciate that, wouldn't one?
And as evidenced here far too many times, you'd be dead wrong, as there's no appreciation for the gesture made by Ralph & Lowell.
What you DO see, are the same arguments, the same throwing of rocks while hiding one's hands & worst of all, insults being tossed Ralph's way because he won't ban Marv for doing the exact same crap that they've been doing. It's kinda like a "hit-dog holler" type of thing & most disappointing, are the so called "sane" voices of the forum who have done this. And I call out no names, as the archives speak with more authority than I do.
And back then & I won't call out anyone's name, the idea was that either Marv goes, or this forum goes.
And when you think about it, whenever we've had a former who didn't march lockstep with the thoughts of some, or even challenged some, there has always been a faction who'd announce that either "so & so goes, or I go", which isn't exactly the kind of behavior that one would expect from people who claim to "love" this forum.
Frankly, all that I see are a bunch of adults, who operating NOT out of love for any particular artist, but more out of self-interest & truthfully, believing that THEY are the stars, who are more than happy to engage in & start arguments, where no arguments exist. And like the kid in school who'd taunt & incite other kids, then hide behind the dean & fire is returned.
That's really what's going on here & think about this too...some of the very same people complaining about Marv, are some of the very same people who tried to give people computer viruses & other nasty little things such as that.
So when you think about it, how can anyone who'd do things such as that, ever try to prop themselves up as "innocents".
Sorry, but it just doesn't pass the sniff test.
Again, do I wish that Marv wouldn't respond & say nasty shit about Diana Ross? You betcha I do. But on the other hand, I also wish that they'd put away their daggers which are always aimed at Mary Wilson because she wrote a book that upset Diana Ross fans [[as though they were roadies with the group & really knew what went on behind the scenes) & because Mary doesn't like her.
This is some crap that my 5 year-old grandson doesn't even do & the idea that a 5 year-old is infinitely more mature than a group of 40-60 year-old guys should give everyone cause to pause.
But we know that's not going to happen. And they're saved due to the fact that Motown & The Supremes are a big part of musical history & therefore belong on a Soul Music forum based in Detroit. So eliminating that section is unthinkable.
And they know it, which is why they continue to act like they do because the evidence suggests that they believe themselves to be bigger than the moderator, bigger than other members & definitely bigger than this forum.
Because if they didn't, they could never continue to act they way that they do. Seriously, for 6 or 7 years & counting?
That says a lot & nothing good at all. And shame on the "legitimate" people who subscribe to the madness, calling for the head of one person, while never calling out their buddies who've been doing the same damn thing for years. But Ralph is the one who's wrong.
I don't think so.
Soulster, I was here before the Motown section was created. And yes, we had a few firestorm, but none of them continued for more than 5 years, such as what we're seeing in the Motown section.
And the truth is that even then, there were fires in that section since day one & the problems began long before there was a Soulful Detroit.
Most of us would have arguments & truthfully, one of them stemmed from a situation which simply got a little out of hand & snowballed once people began taking sides. Had the original people remained the only ones involved, it would've never regressed as it did, something which most involved regret to this day.
Over the years, I've run into many of those involved & everyone had told me that they were sorry about what happened & that things just spiraled out of control. And for the record, I never approached them, they approached me.
But yes, they are trying to undermine Ralph because he won't give them what they want & Ralph is correct in doing so. If Ralph caves in to guys who are doing the same thing that they accuse others of doing, then what happens the next time that they have a falling out or disagreement with another person?
I had my differences with Ralph's predecessor, but I never called for him to be removed, nor threaten to leave & tell people how bad this forum is because one person has never made this forum what it was & is. Sorry, but that's a bullshit move.
If I'm no longer comfortable somewhere, I'm not going to grandstand as though the forum will collapse if I leave. I'm not going to make any grand announcement by playing to the peanut gallery. If it's that damned bad, I just won't come back. It's just not that serious.
But if you look back to about 3 or 4 years ago & check the archives, you can see a few hints regarding what you've surmised. And whether anyone will admit it or not, you're closer to the truth than is comfortable for anyone to consider.
Which doesn't change the accuracy of your point.
Which means that you should be very careful about what links you click on & beware of links bearing pictures or audiophile literature.
It seems as though no matter what Ralph does, he catches hell & that's not fair.
Why in the world are one group of adults running to another adult who happens to be our moderator, expecting him to clean up shit that some of them are responsible for creating?
It's one thing to be a fan, but an even better question would be, why are a group of men, having nothing invested but their memories, becoming so damned incensed over what could be considered to be even the slightest of insults, over any of this?
And to illustrate that this isn't about any ONE individual, on a couple of occasions in the past, I've seen a few forumers have the nerve to say that they didn't like a certain song by Diana Ross & The Supremes, or that perhaps that all of the songs on EVERY album wasn't a knockout, only to see her fans begin going after the person for voicing that opinion & becoming quite nasty while doing so.
Understand, these were Supremes fans who simply pointed out that every song that they made weren't Platinum-bound & these same folks attacking one person, became incensed & began attacking the person[[s) who were realistic enough to realize that NO ONE bats 1000%, not Streisand, not Aretha, not The Beatles, not even Sam Cooke or Jackie Wilson.
But of course, that's heresy & tantamount to molesting the helpless family pooch to some.
And so...the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round.
Another thing to consider is the fact that while becoming so incensed over any remarks deemed to be less than flattering about specific artists or groups, some of the same folks complaining have never been to shy to make disparaging remarks about OTHER artists.
I've seen some of these very same people making nasty remarks about other artists teeth, their weight, their voices, you name it.
Which is what makes all of this "Marv & The Marvettes" bullshit smack of some serious hypocrisy.
Now here's a question for every former who cares to answer...
How many of these people can say that they love this forum & are thankful enough that a special forum was created for THEM, to stop the bullshit for even 2 months, much less 2 minutes?
Does their behavior reflect any kind of love for anything other than themselves & their selfish bullshit?
The archive record suggests otherwise.
Great posts juice.
I'm good. I have lots of protection on my computer. I run a clean machine, and know how to deal with issues that come up. Not only am I an audiophile, i'm a computer geek. But, thanks for the warnings. I'll probably run this place in a sandbox now.
My problem on this forum had to do with Miss M. One day she just went off on me and I fed it back to her in spades. Oh yeah, the forum oldtimers took her side, probably without even realizing what she had done. She's gone now. Oh well. Maybe she thought I was one of these Ross fanatics. If that's the case, she was dead wrong.
The other thing about me is that i'm not afraid to call it like I see it. Most of the old-timers just clam up and hide until they think it's over. But, nothing will ever change unless some stiff action is taken when these guys get out of hand.
And, yes, Marv needs to stop responding to them.These people are going to get their revenge any way they can, and if they can't get to Marv, it will become very, very clear what their intentions are.
Now, for those of you who are true Ross fans here, and aren't part of this anti-Marv and anti-Ralph crusade, it is your duty to call these people out that are giving you a bad name, because, right now, your names are pretty bad.
Oh, and the "Touch me In The Morning" album stinks. Come and get me!
Perhaps the Ross fans are getting a bad rap here. I am a Supremes fan. Their music has brought me lots of joy and I have continued to love them through all their changes in the seventies. I like each member but am a fanatic for none. I don't like to see any of the individual members bad mouthed. To not like Diana's Touch Me is not offensive. You are talking about the music. But to call Diana a whore, or Mary a slut because of who they sleep with is kind of tacky. That is what should be stopped. And bringing Diana into unrelated threads just to bash her should be stopped. A Ross fan would not do that. I think that is what starts the trouble here and then the Ross fans do come in and the thread explodes in chaos.
There is a very nice thread running right now about Mary Wilson. It is going fine and it is not being attacked by any Ross Fans.
Any Ross or Wilson fan had to originally be a Supremes fan. I could never understand how any Supremes fan could attack any member of the group.
And let me say a word about Marv. When we are in other non Supremes related threads, I enjoy communicating with him.
There is a current non-related Supremes thread running where a Motown artist is interviewed and confirms a Supremes/Diana incident that happened half a century ago and has been discussed here many times. [[Sometimes not so nicely). Marv was already in that thread and could have said something like "See, I told you". But he didn't . He showed restraint. It seems that under the current situation everyone is showing restraint. Let's hope it continues and that that non Supremes related thread survives.
I hope we can all show restraint. And as that Motown artist said in the interview where Marv and others showed restraint, "We all have to grow up"
Ok, I am going to get in the mix.
How much longer is this thread going to "beat a dead horse?" The more one picks at a wound, the more infected it gets.
I love this forum.
I can't think of anyone over 40 years of age that doesn't like at least some of their music, at least the music made during the 60s. And, most people I know like some of Ross's solo stuff. I never heard any Mary Wilson solo stuff, so I can't comment on that.
No one likes to see their favorite artists bad-mouthed, but, you know what? That's life. People are all different and have different opinions. There are people who don't like my favorites. I think I sleep at night just fine. If someone doesn't like Diana Ross, or Mary Wilson, or any of the Supremes, so what? The works will keep turning. Puppies will keep crapping.Quote:
I don't like to see any of the individual members bad mouthed.
It's juvenile, and shouldn't be allowed if they said those exact words, or something close to it on this forum. And, if someone said it on this forum, you'll have to give me a link to it. If anyone did, they were probably just trying to get a rise out of someone. Remember what I posted earlier: Ross and Wilson are only being used as a proxy for something else.Quote:
But to call Diana a whore, or Mary a slut because of who they sleep with is kind of tacky.
Anyone bringing anything about Ross into a thread that isn't about her just to annoy and disrupt the forum should be stopped. Setting up bait and switch threads [[threads that are really about the Supremes, Ross, or any other Supremes member, but not labeled as such) should be stopped, too.Quote:
That is what should be stopped. And bringing Diana into unrelated threads just to bash her should be stopped.
Well, then, it is the responsibility of the true Ross fans, and the lovers of this forum to call out these anarchists. I am not the only one who sees that they are trying to ruin this forum because Ralph won't get rid of Marv. And, it really isn't because of something he may have said about a singer. I can't believe anyone would get that worked up over a singer. They might get worked up over something he may have said about a group of people, though. And, even if he did, it wasn't here, and it was eons ago. Why bring that mess here and ruin it for everyone else who have no dog in the fight?Quote:
A Ross fan would not do that.
Well, Ralph said he is keeping a close eye on the Ross fanaticals from here on out. I'm taking note of the otherwise active members who have been suspiciously silent on the issue, or not posting since this thread went up. Man, Diana Ross and Mary Wilson wouldn't claim these anti-Marv people as fans, and would probably request a restraining order against anyone of them who would attempt to contact them.Quote:
I think that is what starts the trouble here and then the Ross fans do come in and the thread explodes in chaos.
Nor should it be. The only time I do post a smart-ass remark in a thread about a Supreme member is when I see how ridiculous it is. Diana Ross pregnant? Please! And, that thread was started by a guy who isn't even part of the Supremes/Ross circus.Quote:
There is a very nice thread running right now about Mary Wilson. It is going fine and it is not being attacked by any Ross Fans.
There are people who are Ross solo fans but not Supremes fans, and vice versa. Some people don't like light, schmaltzy music, and some don't like that classic Motown sound. So what?Quote:
Any Ross or Wilson fan had to originally be a Supremes fan. I could never understand how any Supremes fan could attack any member of the group.
Same here. He has a broad range of interests, which I wish more people on this forum did.Quote:
And let me say a word about Marv. When we are in other non Supremes related threads, I enjoy communicating with him.
Why just mention Marv, if we are going to mention anyone? And the one I see being the chief instigator of problems has at least one other "personality" here. Why dual membership is allowed, I don't know, unless that person is using two different locations to post from. And, I can tell who it is because they both use the exact same writing style, and make the same type of typos. Even when they fake it, I can tell. Marv and Roberta 75 will constantly go at it in any of those problem threads.
The thread may survive, but, after this latest protest blows over, and this thread is removed, it will be back to business as usual, with the baiting, trolling, and thread removals, and nothing will be done to the perps. Then, Ralph will be away doing some personal stuff, and that's when the kids will play. It happens every time he goes on a vacation or takes care of business.Quote:
There is a current non-related Supremes thread running where a Motown artist is interviewed and confirms a Supremes/Diana incident that happened half a century ago and has been discussed here many times. [[Sometimes not so nicely). Marv was already in that thread and could have said something like "See, I told you". But he didn't . He showed restraint. It seems that under the current situation everyone is showing restraint. Let's hope it continues and that that non Supremes related thread survives.
That time to edit your posts is something like three days. I think it should be a half an hour, plenty of time to take back anything you posted. Of course, of someone immediately quotes the offender, they can't take it back. So, cutting down the editing time will make everyone think before they post.
Soulster you are on point,i'v said it many times,these people post these negative things,because they know,they are gonna get a reaction,when you tell the truth about them,they look for other ways to attack you,because the truth hurts,they know you[[soulster)and Juicefree are telling the truth,i did notice,the people that keeps up,they most mess and drama,is not saying much,on this thread,i'm 100%sure,they are readin' it all,waiting for the right time,to cut in,i love Mary Wilson,but if you don't like her,to each his own,but don't,say you don't like her,but you know her whole life story,follow her on facebook,goes to her shows,can't wait to read everything about her lol,but loves to put her down,i know why these people do it,again to get a reaction,it's really sick,most people,if they don't like a artist,they don't follow them,if i don't like a artist,i couldn't tell u,anything about them.Soulster and Juicefree,again i enjoy it, when you guys post,you keep it 100
Respect the Supremes.
Respect the memory of Florence Ballard.
Respect Mary Wilson.
Respect Diana Ross.
Respect Cindy Birdsong.
Respect Jean Terrell.
Respect Lynda Laurence.
Respect Scherrie Payne.
Respect Susaye Greene.
Respect 'em all.
And anyone who comes in threads with absolute disrespect to any of them, STOP while you're ahead if you're that upset by them... simple as that.
Respect this forum and respect Mr. Terrana and Lowell.
And as a political anarchist, I wouldn't call these disruptors "anarchists", more like reactionaries...
The posts speak for themselves.
I agree with you midnightman,Respect
Perhaps I'd start off with always making the effort to treat each SDF member with respect. Any discussion that then follows--about any subject, any artist, anyone's opinion about whatever is brought up--seems that it would be well-served from that starting point. Seems at least worth a try.