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I've been thinking about that, Moe. And maybe the Kabong chicks as well?
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Can we make that May 1, 2014? :) The problem with this idea is that it would require constant monitoring of the forum, and Ralph does have a life. Would you want to sit here all day and watch for new Supremes threads? Also, any thread can be hijacked and morphed into a Supremes-related discussion. To stay on top of that would require crazy monitoring of each and every thread 24-hours a day!Quote:
Originally Posted by jobeterob
You know, me being the curious type, attempted to find out what was behind it all in a not-so-politically-correct way. Apparently, enough people were offended that I would entertain the issue and Ralph pulled the threads. However, I did manage to get an honest answer from a forum member, so I finally left the issue alone.Quote:
My only other comments are some people take their connections to their Divas too seriously, in too heartfelt a manner ~ and we are talking Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Anita Baker and her quasi sister Shantel, SOS, and all the other Supremes.
You have to say: who is "us"? I left the forum once largely because of all the Supremes nonsense years ago and then came back midst another Supremes blow-up. So, does that classify me as an "us" or a "them" in the oldsters' minds? I have loved Motown and was raised on it since birth [[i'm about the same age as Juicefree), but I am not as intuned to the inner-workings of the company or it's artists, and I did not come from Detroit. I have a very broad taste in music.Quote:
To what end? These people generally don't know us. Some of them have been warned to keep their distance from this Forum and from some of it's members.
On another forum I frequent, there are people who obsess over everything Beatles. The difference is that the threads don't degrade into nasty fights [[probably because of the huge international moderation team), but, trust me, some of the membership complains about the frequency of the threads just like this one does the Supremes-related threads. In that respect, this place is not unique.Quote:
Does it all have to be taken so seriously?
It has been made clear that some longtime members want to return to the year 2002, where they percieved this place as one small happy family where everybody knew each other. This place is too big for that now.Quote:
Some of them might join in here a bit more frequently if we could back it off a few notches.
I don't get all the Supreme fans here arguing. It's pretty easy to break it all down and call it a day:
1. Diana Ross was a major talent who was coddled and had an affair with Berry Gordy and therefore was the favored performer of Motown. Because of this, she has some ego problems. I don't have a problem with her. I like her music with and without the Supremes, and I've enjoyed some interviews I've heard with her. Yes, her voice can sometimes get annoying and sometimes it's great. Take one poor kid from the projects, throw fame and money at them and sometimes the results aren't what you want. For the most part, Diana seems like a good mom to her kids and a great performing artist.
2. Florence Ballard and others probably didn't get their due. That's show business.
3. Diana ain't coming back for a reunion tour.
Case closed.
Ralph, a belated Happy Easter. I support you too. I wasn't here yesterday, but I am here now. People use " the Supremes" as an excuse to get at people they do not like. People that had not agree with them in the past. I agree with you very much about these threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by ralpht
Marv
You know you're stirring the pot, cuz!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsull1
The IP address is the best identifyer of the member/poster. In the old forum, the IP address appeared right beneath the name of each member. As it is now, people just make up a new name and rejoin. It is not REAL heard to determine who some of these people are because they "come back" with the same interests and bad attitudes that they left with!Quote:
Originally Posted by soulster
Ralph:
Anytime at all. We've been down down pretty rough roads together & you know my opinion of you.
As Soulster said, Ralph does have a life. Tell you what....I'LL VOLUNTEER to moderate The Supremes threads. And if that were ever to come to pass, some would be begging for Ralph's calming presence. And as I have a ife, I wouldn't be here every 3 seconds to see what's going on either. In fact, just as now, you'd never know exactly when I'd show up. But when I did, if things weren't as they should be, people would just get the boot & I wouldn't hire Marcy Darcy to help to ease the news.
I wouldn't entertain even one e-mail because after all of these years, there would be nothing left to say. My rules would be simple...
1. Any cursing of ANY Supremes = Instant Ban
2. Any intentional provocation be it via posting of some 30 yar-old crap which has been rehashed 387,493 times or just posting the same crap from 20 year-old books, interviews, etc = Instant Ban
3. Any dragging here of ANYTHING negative which was/is posted by ANY member on Yahoo, Youtube or anywhere else, under the guise of "letting us know how they operate" = Instant Ban
4. ANY denigration of ANY performer who has done the EXACT SAME crap as other artists whom we've showered with affection here for years = Instant Ban.
This is not to suggest that we can offer opinions about people who are in the neews for doing some outlandish things, but the "TMZ-inization" of the forum really needs to go, as it serves NONE of us well. I was under the impresion that we were here to discuss & salute the artists, the music & the creators of the music, not to excoriate them for being as human & sometimes as F'd up as some of us, our family members or friends can often be.
Just because we can HAVE a negative opinion about folks doesn't necessarily mean that we have to always VOICE that opinion in an unnecessarily scathing manner.
5. Any chasing members through threads & addressing them in threads in which they ARE NOT participating in, simply in order to get a rise out of them = Instant Ban!
From my perspective, that's merely the equivalent of stalking, which I'm sure we'd all agree isn't a very desirable thing to have to deal with.
And finally....
6. Any future mention about how Berry screwed over whomever, any further mention about who slept with the boss in order to advance their career, any further reference about whom punched, slapped, or hit whom upside the head between 1959 to 2010, any reference about whom slammed whom in any damn body's book which was written before the millenium =
INSTANT BAN!
We've heard it all before, we can't do a damn thing about it & besides, how many of us were really there in order to know EXACTLY what happened?
The point is moot & has been since 1967, 1969 & 1986 or thereabouts.
That would pretty much be my criteria for moderating those threads.
Soulster"
I believe that some of us would like to revisit those days, for me it would be roughly from the end of 2003 through about 2005. But it's not just that the forum is too big, it's just that many of us have learned too much since those virginal days.
A bigger factor is Facebook, as it's the latest craze. Factor in the act that a person on Facebook can discuss whatever they choose to & can also communicate with friends & family members who just aren't into music forums, well, together that's something that has had an effect. That's why it'll never be exactly as it was then, but that doesn't mean that it can't be somewhat close to what it used to be.
I think it pertinent to add that the folks who've been arguing in these threads are not newbies, but have been members of our forum for years.
Strangely enough, contrary to what this thread may lead many to believe, the participants are basically a handful & it's been going on pretty much as far back to what we refer to as "the good old days".
Roberta,
Thank you & may God bless!
Facebook has plenty of space. And its so easy to start a group discussion over there. He/she can run it any way he/she wants.They can talk about what Diana had for breakfast, Diana Ross for president, start a petition to erect a Mount Rossmore, Mary Wilson's affair with a space alien and other nonsense. Less headaches for Ralph, and more quality Motown related discussions here.Quote:
Originally Posted by soulster
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Hi Juice,Quote:
Originally Posted by juicefree20
The only issue I would have with your approach is that where do you draw the line between legitimate criticism of Diana Ross, or any other of the related Supremes figures, and bashing? It's very subjective. It seems to me that the better deal is to ban the member if they contribute to the mayhem.
This stifles any peaceful discussion.Quote:
2. Any intentional provocation be it via posting of some 30 yar-old crap which has been rehashed 387,493 times or just posting the same crap from 20 year-old books, interviews, etc = Instant Ban
Again, this is all-too subjective.Quote:
4. ANY denigration of ANY performer who has done the EXACT SAME crap as other artists whom we've showered with affection here for years = Instant Ban.
I understand where you are coming from. I also have no use for frivolous posts about what hand any of the women used to pick up the salt shaker with at lunch last Thursday.Quote:
This is not to suggest that we can offer opinions about people who are in the neews for doing some outlandish things, but the "TMZ-inization" of the forum really needs to go, as it serves NONE of us well. I was under the impresion that we were here to discuss & salute the artists, the music & the creators of the music, not to excoriate them for being as human & sometimes as F'd up as some of us, our family members or friends can often be.
Again, there is an issue between censorship and exchange of honest opinions.Quote:
Just because we can HAVE a negative opinion about folks doesn't necessarily mean that we have to always VOICE that opinion in an unnecessarily scathing manner.
This should be extended to ALL members, friend of moderator or not, Supremes-related or not.Quote:
5. Any chasing members through threads & addressing them in threads in which they ARE NOT participating in, simply in order to get a rise out of them = Instant Ban!
This is an example of baiting. Again, this stifles discussion. I do not believe Ralph wants to play the taliban here, he just wants the stupid arguing to end.Quote:
And finally....
6. Any future mention about how Berry screwed over whomever, any further mention about who slept with the boss in order to advance their career, any further reference about whom punched, slapped, or hit whom upside the head between 1959 to 2010, any reference about whom slammed whom in any damn body's book which was written before the millenium =
I would say NONE of them! Some of those instigators claim to personally know and communicate with the singers, but closer to the truth would be that the singers have never heard of any of these fanatics. Frankly, I think they'd distance themselves from them, and this message board!Quote:
We've heard it all before, we can't do a damn thing about it & besides, how many of us were really there in order to know EXACTLY what happened?
I was in kindergarten in 1967. I do not really care what happened with the Supremes. All I really care about is the music.Quote:
The point is moot & has been since 1967, 1969 & 1986 or thereabouts.
I would say that Ralph should extend the warning to ALL members in ANY thread who choose to insult another forum member, no matter how subtle or veiled, that they will be banned! He thinks we don't need detailed forum rules, but it's clear that we do not have adults in the room. People need clear rules, not guidelines, but rules on how to behave here. That way, there can be no excuse, and no favoritism.Quote:
Originally Posted by juicefree20
Thanks for your reply Ralph. So in other words, though you have a voice in whom to pick as a co moderator, you don’t have enough faith or trust in any member here to be your co moderator as you’re afraid you’ll get into arguments and start fighting. And while I can understand your frustration with the Supremes fan wars, it was your choice to log on to here on Easter. If you had given yourself a day off, your holiday would not have been spoiled. You may want to consider giving yourself a day off from time to time, the forum won’t explode into pieces and you’ll be able to enjoy your day.
Your dedication to freedom of expression is admirable JuiceFree.Quote:
Originally Posted by juicefree20
...I normally go straight to the Motown Forum ...just hit the SDF button and found this ...as most ...if not all ...Supremes threads are in the Motown Forum ...perhaps you should mention this there too Ralph ...looking forward to a calmer Motown Forum soon...! :)
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Originally Posted by ralpht
Smark,
All that you mention in your last post is exactly how I intend to do things. As far as additional moderators, I would still like to depend on notifications from members if they notice a problem.
Well, why did YOU log on Easter Sunday?Quote:
Originally Posted by smark21
I notice you keep harping on this. Again, Ralph is the mod. He can log on any time he wishes just as you can. If you don't want him to see your part in these Supremes threads, don't post in them when they go bad.
I logged in on Sunday because that is what I do every day. In spite of the time to time hassles, I love SD and the members that I have become friends with over the years. I realize the forum has become much too big for mew to read all of it, but, like the rest of you, I am a fan of the music and the era that I spent all of my younger days being an active part of.
Shut it down and nail it shut[i got some nails here someplace].
I say that from this point forward, anytime anyone on any thread attacks another member, no matter how veiled, should get banished to the cornfield with the note "You're a bad man [[or woman), you're a very bad man!" It should not matter if it's a newbie, Supremes fan, or longtime friend, or foe.
Ralph:
Diana, Flo and Mary were three friends that brought a lot of joy into the world. A lot of people miss the music. They just don't get it. They go on about all kinds of stuff, but don't even realise what the people they're talking about actually did. If it was just about personalities and frocks, you and I would never have to work again. We should live long enough to sleep our way to the top. But some of us are still making music. You are, anyway; I'm still sleeping and it's not looking good this lifetime.
You lay it out there the way it is, Dave. My major flaw is I'm still making music. Sleep is sounding better everyday.
I wish I was making music!
Soul,
In reality, there is nothing quite like the process. A real buzz. But it comes with a very big price. I guess what it boils down to is, how long do you want to pay the price.
I sorry I dont uunderstsnd are we not allow to talk about the Suprems any more
I used to play, and now I am more interested in production, particularly mastering. Problem is that i'm getting too old to get into the mastering business. They don't want old farts. I have done a little small-time mixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ralpht
We are not allowed to ARGUE about the Supremes. I'm thinking that Ralph is so steamed about it that he probably doesn't even want to see new threads about them, or anyone related to them, at least for a while. Main thing is, he's sick of the stupid cat-fighting and baiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaqueetha_Jackson
Hey Ralph I for one enjoy The supreme threads I just hate the bickering. I say, one warning to the offender and then out they go. It's so said that there is someone putting one member down to lift up another. Someone started a thread on Cindy Birdsong that's been going pretty well right now I just hope it stay that way.
Soul,
Its a drag getting old and turned out to pasture. I wish you good luck.
I'm all for a good Supremes thread. I'm not banning Supreme conversation. I simply don't want to happen, what usually always happens with these subjects.
It would be a drag for me to have to zap an entire thread as a result of one pin-head, but if I don't there are ramifications on the other side, lamenting the slow demise of SD forum. And there is a lot of truth in that concern. We have been blessed to have some very interesting individuals drift through here, and I know, I have lost some of these because of some of the stupidity that was going on here from time to time.
I miss many of those people, and if getting a little more aggressive with BS, will possibly bring some of them back, then that is what I must do. It is all rather quite simple, but seemingly so unnecessary.
No one wants to come here and see nothing but Supremes/Diana Ross threads all day long. It's probably fine for the Supremes fanatics, but not for everyone else who doesn't care as much about them.
I've even started a Diana Ross or Supremes thread with a different angle. One guy did start something on one of them, but at least it wasn't ruined by the bickering the we usually see.
Everyone must understand that civility and respect cost nothing. You'll actually feel spiritually enriched if you practice both.Quote:
Originally Posted by ralpht
Fondly,
Roberta
I'm glad to read this Ralph as we have been begging for more intervention. In the early days of SDF this sort of thing didn't happen and it was refreshing to come here and share ideas, knowledge and release info.
One can express an opinion without using profanity and name calling.
I logged on Easter because I don’t allow the posts on this forum the power to ruin my day. Of course I’m just a member and don’t have the responsibility of moderating this place.
In recent weeks Ralph has put up several posts expressing anger and frustration with certain aspects of moderating this forum. That’s why I’m curious on a day he’s set aside to enjoy with family and friends that he would log on and take the chance that something might be happening to put a damper on his day. I find when a situation is aggravating me that it’s wise to take a mental health day and take a day off from the situation.
Ralph I get that the good part of coming here is an opportunity to interact with friends and discuss the music you love and you had a hand in making. But you have made some posts expressing anger and frustration and sometimes it does a body well to take a day or two off. Time lends perspective.
How about, its my responsibility, Smark. And it is something I want to do.
That’s fine Ralph. But then you owe it to yourself not to complain and lash out if a special day is ruined because you come on here and you have to deal with some nonsense.
What difference would it make, Smark. If trouble is going on and I don't check the forum, I'm bound to hear about it from someone, so I check things out. Goes with the territory.
And, you owe it to yourself not to post on those violate threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by smark21
Soulster, he loves to post on the volatile threads, because he presides over a yahoo group that exists primarily to disparage everyone on this board, including you.Quote:
Originally Posted by soulster