If you would pull your head out of your.........BIBLE for a moment, hehehehehe..... You would recognize the validity of that statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberta75
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If you would pull your head out of your.........BIBLE for a moment, hehehehehe..... You would recognize the validity of that statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberta75
Oh one more thing. When major motion pictures like "Dreamgirls" and "Sparkle" are released, who do you think the public is immediately reminded of? Yes, that's right.......The Supremes!
Absolutely. Just came across a new youtube video of a bunch of little kids in school singing Stop in Name of Love, under a Surpemes heading.!
But they don't think of a group of "The Supremes" that doesn't feature Diana Ross. If Florence Ballard can be "unsung" as a lesser-known member of The Supremes then so can all the women who followed her [[and, more importantly, all those who followed Diana Ross). An episode of UNSUNG might actually expand who and what people should and do think of when they are reminded of "The Supremes"...wouldn't that be nice for everyone?Quote:
When major motion pictures like "Dreamgirls" and "Sparkle" are released,
who do you think the public is immediately reminded of? Yes, that's
right.......The Supremes!
First of all Florence Ballard's story should have never made it to the "Unsung" program. It does not fit the format or the show's pretense. It is too very well known across the general population. Her story has been called the greatest tragedy in Rock and Roll history and certainly Motown's history. There have been books and books and books written about Florence's story and the Supremes. Many people believe that the Broadway Play, "Dreamgirls" and subsequent film of the same name is about Florence Ballard via the character Effie.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejluther
If this is really about elevating Diana Ross, then you can forget that. Her image and reputation with the general public is what it is and no one can change that except maybe her [[ and then again maybe not!). As time has moved on and has proven, even Ross is not looked upon as a separate entity from the group, The Supremes. It is a nice thought to want to keep the Supremes in the forefront of the public's memory. Mary Wilson is handling that in a variety of ways. It's just that a program like "Unsung" is definitely not the way to go about it. Whatever happened to fairness? I mean there are a huge number of artists that could and should be given the spotlight on "Unsung" why would you start at the top with a group that has had all kinds of recognition and success? Do a show on Carl Carlton or the Chairmen of the Board!
Where and how did you get that? How would showcasing how good The Supremes could be without Diana elevate her? When I said "wouldn't that be nice for everyone" I guess that could include Diana Ross but that's not what I was thinking of specificially by any means...Quote:
If this is really about elevating Diana Ross, then you can forget that.
Can't argue with you about any of that...Quote:
there are a huge number of artists that could and should be given the spotlight on "Unsung" why would you start at the top with a group that has had all kinds of recognition and success? Do a show on Carl Carlton or the Chairmen of the Board!
From unsung's official website:
Once a founding member and lead singer of The Supremes, Florence Ballard fell prey to depression and alcoholism, loosing her place in one of Motown's most famous groups. Her's is the ultimate Unsung story.
http://tvone.tv/shows/unsung/unsung-..._list_start=10
First of all there was no utube in the 1970's if we saw the 70's Supremes on TV we were lucky, and many times I caught the Supremes by surprise on shows like Soul train and American Bandstand never with Jean that i know of [[for AB) by word of mouth. I have called the radio stations asking for the Supremes "Floy Joy" WABC and they didn't have it, simple as that they playedQuote:
Originally Posted by skooldem1
up the ladder, everybody got the right [[sporadically) Nathan Jones, and River Deep after that they stoped playing Supremes records, so don't tell me we are mixing people with facts, the facts are they stopped playing Supremes records by the Spring of 1972, their albums up to Floy joy was still in the major records store, I bought "Floy Joy" in EJ Korvette, but their singles suddenly disappeared and it didn't only happen to the Supremes, The Four Tops and the J5 wasted no time bolting from Motown but the Supremes were stuck.
I'm not sure if you are an atheist or an agnostic, but you have crossed a line here with your BLASPHEMOUS comment. If you claim that you are a believer, your words and actions here do not substantiate that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by marv2
You can't lie or laugh your way out of this one [[as your 'hehehehehe' attempts to do) or even dismiss it as trivial or respond that I am over-reacting . To Jews , Muslims, and Christians and all others who revere the Word of God [[be it called the Torah, the Koran, the Bible, the Sacred Books) your leading statement [[one that can be easily verified from the number of posts in which you have utilized the exact phrase with the offensive anatomical term that your 'hehehehehe' intends to evoke ) and the quick insertion of the word Bible in place of the one you knowingly imply is a great affront to religious sensibilities and shows a complete disrespect of a guaranteed freedom of our constitution.
To imply that your statement has as great a validity as or perhaps even greater validity than the Word of God is one of the most inane statements that you have made. To mock a woman of faith in today's world climate is certainly asking for trouble.
You've definitely gone too far this time. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. God alone will be your judge not me; I'm not judging you- only pointing out the total lack of respect
evidenced in your wretched behavior.
As I said. They got it wrong! Florence's story was not Unsung, it was tragic if anything. Her whole life was not tragic mind you and she was the founder of the greatest female group in history. How many people can match that? I am sure the people at the Unsung program are nice people, but they didn't know what they were talking about when they put that on their website. More people knew about Florence Ballard's story than all the groups and artists that Unsung has profiled combined!Quote:
Originally Posted by carole cucumber
Yeah he [[skooldem) doesn't know what he is talking about in this instance. You are right Fran, I can remember several times catching the Supremes on television by surprise in those days. Most notably when they appeared on the Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour in January 1974. They didn't have a current release to promote, but there they were with the new girl Scherrie Payne. No, Jean Terrell never appeared on Bandstand with the Supremes. Yes many people called their local radio stations to request the latest Supremes song only to be told that "we don't have it"! These things are all facts and I know you know that. Yep, after "Floy Joy" there were no more Supremes records played on a regular or even semi-regular basis. I found "Bad Weather" in a sheet music/keyboard store in 1975 2 whole years after it was released. Someone else said they found it in a hardware store that sold a few records!Quote:
Originally Posted by franjoy56
If marv2 was mocking me Carole, then I beseech you to please don't worry about it or get upset over it. I may have have him on ignore but God doesn't . The Heavenly Father is aware of all this sins and there are many, We should feel sorry for marv2 and pray for him for he is obviously a desperately unhappy soul who has lost his way. Most here on this forum know his deceitful tricks and like me, they have him on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by carole cucumber
Thank you dear Carole for coming to my defense but I have God in my head, my heart and my soul for God is my life and marv2's snippy comments can never harm me or take my faith in God way from me.
marv2 should take these words from the good book of Proverbs to heart:
"There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers."
Bless you Carole.
Yours, with every good wish.
Roberta
Did I hear Mike Douglas say the 70's Supremes were unsung?
You didn't hear anything. Mike Douglas is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobeterob
[QUOTE=Roberta75;120999]If marv2 was mocking me Carole, then I beseech you to please don't worry about it or get upset over it. I may have have him on ignore but God doesn't . The Heavenly Father is aware of all this sins and there are many, We should feel sorry for marv2 and pray for him for he is obviously a desperately unhappy soul who has lost his way. Most here on this forum know his deceitful tricks and like me, they have him on ignore.
Roberta there is great wisdom in what you say.
Often the abuser is a person who him/herself was abused. It makes one wonder what happened in another person's life to make him/her the way that he/she is. Why one wouldn't turn away from that mode of behavior, but instead integrate and perpetuate the experience, making it such a real part of one's life's activity, that it flows so freely into one's dealings with others, is difficult to understand.
The same goes for those who attempt to use the internet to belittle/abuse others verbally or emotionally.
Unhappy people too often delight in trying to squealch other people's happiness by any means that they might. It is often expressed in insensitive, smart-alecky remarks in hopes of distracting- in turning the attention back upon themselves.
There are so many lonely people in the world today. Quite likely, marv 2 may be one of them. How might we arrive at that conclusion? Just look at the number of his postings. [[Other than a moderator who has been entrusted with overseeing an internet forum and whose very title means that he must respond to far more posts than he would like) anyone with a healthy experience of family and a supportive circle of true friends would not have the time available to post 11,700 in a period of a little more than 2 years.
Yes, you are right, Roberta. Marv2 is definitely in need of prayers, and likely so much more.
It must frustrate him that so many have placed him on ignore; it probably leads to him posting all the more in hoping to garner some more attention [[anyway that he can get it) . He certainly exhibits the classical qualities of a poor, lost soul looking for attention.
He will be in my prayers, although he may say that he neither welcomes nor needs them. To reject assistance will only reflect upon him and his lost state.
I know that Ralph in his book, The Road Through Motown, mentions that
he is not a religious man, but does acknowledge that he is a spiritual man. He even recounts a wonderful, three-fold sign given him after the death of his beloved father.
He must certainly understand why Marv2's recent insensitive blasphemies concerning sacred books are an affront to Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
If you have no interest in Marv or his postings, your action of ignoring him is making a fool of you since you continually comment about him. You need top move on to another hobby. Also, Christians do not make judgments or assertions about others. Lastly, your rhetoric does not belong on this site. You are the offensive one.
It appears that you are confusing statements. I never said that I have Marv on ignore. I have never said that I was either Jew, Muslim , or Christian, but I have raised an objection to an offensive remark of Marv's concerning what a fair percentage of the world's population considers as sacred. That is at the heart of my recent post. If you find it offensive that there are still people of faith in the world, then I feel sorry for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by detmotownguy
And I have stated that I understand that I cannot sit in judgement of Marv or of any other person. However, I have the freedom to try to understand [[unlikely as that is ) how human persons are put together, how we can be so very similar in some ways and yet so very different in others.
Often, we are mysteries even unto ourselves.
[QUOTE=carole cucumber;121037]Thank you dear Carole. You are a wise and dear lady.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberta75
May God continue to bless and watch over you.
Yours, with every good wish.
Roberta
Well said demotguy. And Ralph should be given a break especially with all hes been going through. I remember Mary writing about a dj who commented there wernt any original Supremes in the group and Mary called him to correct him. He said he hadnt been getting their records!
I don't intend getting involved in any religious arguments, but I do think it would be presumptious to assume that God doesn't have a sense of humour.
I agree that God must have a sense of humor. If you need any further proof- look at all of us! The same God who fashioned Diana Ross has fashioned Marv2 and each one of us, intending us to live in harmony and in support of one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by 144man
But there is a great difference between humor and blasphemy. There is a great difference between spontaneously laughing at something humorous that occurs, and laughing in a purposeful, mean-spirited, smart-alecky attempt to make someone's belief the center of mockery.
You've made a good point there. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by carole cucumber
Beautifully stated Carole.Quote:
Originally Posted by carole cucumber
God bless you.
Roberta
I believe in a higher power but I don't believe in religion, can we keep the subject off the forum? It's as bad as discussing politics.
Dare I say....an "Amen" to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by floyjoy678
I've been telling Roberta that for the longest time.Quote:
Originally Posted by blueskies
My religious beliefs and my Christianity are the core of my very being. All my thoughts come to me from God. I cannot and will not apologize for my faith or feelings and if you find me offensive in any way, shape or form then please place me on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by floyjoy678
I don't personally attack people on this forum and agree that everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs and we should all be able to disagree respectfully. Personal and vicious attacks are uncalled for and are not my style.
Most people on this forum are lovely, cordial and respectful. There are a few, one in particular who is obviously extremely disturbed which explains his downright mean and nasty demeanor. I have that said person on ignore which is best for the good of the forum.
I love all Motown artists and if I didn't like one or two of the Motown stars, I would ignore the said thread. If you can't say anything nice about someone then say nothing at all is how my mom raised me. I wouldn't viciously trash the artist day in day out, like someone I could but will not mention.
Yours, with every good wish.
Roberta
To each his own,this is a public form,like Roberta said,everybody has they're right to they're opinions and beliefs,like it or not,Everybody Got The Right,The Supremes Mary Cindy and jean LOL,Yes Roberta is a Religious person,it's harmless.agree to disagree,let's have FUN,and
Please stay positive
God bless you REDHOT. You are a shining light and your positive attitude is a real inspiration to all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDHOT
My personal best to you my friend.
Roberta